darksabre Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 A fun fact for everyone: the top five unsigned UFA RWs in order of 2008-09 salary ... 1) Max Afinogenov ($3.5 million) 2) Miroslav Satan ($3.5 million) 3) Ales Kotalik ($2.5 million) 4) Petr Sykora ($2.5 million) 5) Mike Grier ($1.775 million) No real point; just for fun. Quick, someone sign Miro, he won a Cup! I can't believe we paid that much money to sit someone on a bench last season. I wonder if Tallinder finds himself there this year?
SabresFan526 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 If Spacek is getting a raise at the age of 35, I don't see how the Sabres are going to convince Morris to take a pay cut at the age of 30. PS I wouldn't call a 25% pay cut "slight". ;) 2 seasons of 25 points followed by a season of 20 points does not justify a raise over $3.5 million in my opinion. He certainly is not the defensive stalwart like a Komisarek, Orpik, or Scott Hannan to get defensive defenseman type pay. And while he has been an offensive force previously in his career, specifically the 2002-2003 season when he scored 48 points, he has not been putting up the offensive numbers recently to justify a raise over $3.5 million let-a-lone Spacek's $3.8 million/year. At the max, he might get $3 million/year if he's lucky, but I just can't see anyone signing him for that much. Frankly, if it's a choice between taking a pay cut to stay in the NHL or going to the KHL for unguaranteed payments, I think he would choose a pay cut. Just my opinion, though. But, if Colorado is looking to dump salaries left and right (see the Ryan Smythe trade), I would not mind taking on Morris's former teammate, J.M. Liles, even if it means trading a Stafford or a Paille. That guy will get you goals from the blueline and can man a point on the powerplay. He's not the best player in the defensive zone, but he's been an even or plus player every year in his career except this past year when Colorado was just absolutely terrible. I don't think the Sabres will go after him, but he would seem like a great fit in Buffalo, and yes, I've been banging this drum since last summer when he almost became a UFA.
Bmwolf21 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 But, if Colorado is looking to dump salaries left and right (see the Ryan Smythe trade), I would not mind taking on Morris's former teammate, J.M. Liles, even if it means trading a Stafford or a Paille. That guy will get you goals from the blueline and can man a point on the powerplay. He's not the best player in the defensive zone, but he's been an even or plus player every year in his career except this past year when Colorado was just absolutely terrible. I don't think the Sabres will go after him, but he would seem like a great fit in Buffalo, and yes, I've been banging this drum since last summer when he almost became a UFA. I've been banging that drum as well, 526. I think he'd be a great fit on the PP and he doesn't have to be a top-4 guy at ES.
inkman Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 A fun fact for everyone: the top five unsigned UFA RWs in order of 2008-09 salary ... 1) Max Afinogenov ($3.5 million) 2) Miroslav Satan ($3.5 million) 3) Ales Kotalik ($2.5 million) 4) Petr Sykora ($2.5 million) 5) Mike Grier ($1.775 million) No real point; just for fun. I think there is a point to be made. Two of the top 3 dead beats were on the Sabres roster last year. I've been in Darcy's corner most of the ride but seeing contracts like that for basically garbage that no one wants leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Next year Hecht & Tallinder will be on that list, Pominville will be there in a few years as well. One has to wonder when the Sabres will stop giving out bad contracts to marginal talent.
SDS Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I think there is a point to be made. Two of the top 3 dead beats were on the Sabres roster last year. I've been in Darcy's corner most of the ride but seeing contracts like that for basically garbage that no one wants leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Next year Hecht & Tallinder will be on that list, Pominville will be there in a few years as well. One has to wonder when the Sabres will stop giving out bad contracts to marginal talent. That was a list of Right Wingers.
inkman Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 That was a list of Right Wingers. Sure. I'd have taken Sykora and Grier for For $4.225 million rather than our slugs for $6 million. Granted, we don't know if these players could have ever been on the Sabres roster, but their respective teams got much better value out of them than the Sabres did out of their RW.
wonderbread Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I find it even more odd that Ales has not been picked up yet. He is the shoot out king and a 20 goal scorer. I actually feel kind of bad for him. Maybe he is pricing himself to high?
Calvin Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I find it even more odd that Ales has not been picked up yet. He is the shoot out king and a 20 goal scorer. I actually feel kind of bad for him. Maybe he is pricing himself to high? he probably is.. i think i would be quite happy to dump Macarthur and get Kotalik, for no more than 1.5MM per year
darksabre Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I find it even more odd that Ales has not been picked up yet. He is the shoot out king and a 20 goal scorer. I actually feel kind of bad for him. Maybe he is pricing himself to high? Because every other team in the league already knows he's a big squishy teddy bear on skates.
X. Benedict Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I find it even more odd that Ales has not been picked up yet. He is the shoot out king and a 20 goal scorer. I actually feel kind of bad for him. Maybe he is pricing himself to high? There are probably a ton of agents right now who are looking at cap numbers and have that "i'm passing a kidney stone" look on their face. Many guys like him are not going to be making much more than rookies.
That Aud Smell Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 There are probably a ton of agents right now who are looking at cap numbers and have that "i'm passing a kidney stone" look on their face. Many guys like him are not going to be making much more than rookies. it's a weird dynamic that is emerging -- a class system of sorts where there is an elite tier being paid big money and a muddle of other players who are essentially left to scramble for a paying gig. i wonder whether the owners or the nhlpa had this sort of outcome in mind when they negotiated the cba. i know it's apples and oranges, but doesn't the nba have some sort of provision in its cba that is intended to prevent a team from devoting a disproportionate amount of its cap space to a single player?
carpandean Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 i know it's apples and oranges, but doesn't the nba have some sort of provision in its cba that is intended to prevent a team from devoting a disproportionate amount of its cap space to a single player? I'd have to search to find it, but I believe that the NHL does as well. Obviously, if there is, that % is pretty large (Ovechkin's cap hit is roughly 17% of the cap.)
shrader Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I'd have to search to find it, but I believe that the NHL does as well. Obviously, if there is, that % is pretty large (Ovechkin's cap hit is roughly 17% of the cap.) 20%
carpandean Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 20% Some how I just knew that you would be along shortly with the actual number. :beer:
jad1 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I think there is a point to be made. Two of the top 3 dead beats were on the Sabres roster last year. I've been in Darcy's corner most of the ride but seeing contracts like that for basically garbage that no one wants leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Next year Hecht & Tallinder will be on that list, Pominville will be there in a few years as well. One has to wonder when the Sabres will stop giving out bad contracts to marginal talent. This is shaded by hindsight. When Afinogenov signed this deal after the 05-06 season, he was almost a point-a-game player (73 points in 77 games). He outscored Drury and Briere (who was injured a good part of the season). The next season, the first of the new deal, he was a point-a-game player (61 points in 56 games), although his season was racked with injuries. After that, he fell off the table, but for those two seasons, he looked like he was worth the money, and I wouldn't call this, at the time of signing, a bad contract, especially considering what Briere was awarded in arbitration. Kotalik is a power-play specialist who regularly score 20 goals a year. He's the forward-version of Sheldon Souray. We all hoped that he would develop into a traditional power forward, but in his specialist role, his contract was $3 million/year cheaper than Souray. Considering this, his contract wasn't all that bad.
nfreeman Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 This is shaded by hindsight. When Afinogenov signed this deal after the 05-06 season, he was almost a point-a-game player (73 points in 77 games). He outscored Drury and Briere (who was injured a good part of the season). The next season, the first of the new deal, he was a point-a-game player (61 points in 56 games), although his season was racked with injuries. After that, he fell off the table, but for those two seasons, he looked like he was worth the money, and I wouldn't call this, at the time of signing, a bad contract, especially considering what Briere was awarded in arbitration. Kotalik is a power-play specialist who regularly score 20 goals a year. He's the forward-version of Sheldon Souray. We all hoped that he would develop into a traditional power forward, but in his specialist role, his contract was $3 million/year cheaper than Souray. Considering this, his contract wasn't all that bad. Absolutely correct, and I'd add that the Tallinder and Connolly contracts also seemed reasonable at the time. But it's also fair to hold Darcy accountable for those contracts turning out badly. He gets paid a lot of money to be right about those $10MM decisions. When he's not, the buck stops with him. As I've posted elsewhere, I think he built a great team and got the rug pulled out from under him by TG and LQ, so he deserves another shot. He's getting that shot now. If the team doesn't improve materially over last year, he should get canned.
sabresman17 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 we all new the sabres werent gonna get any of the big guys that were already out there but come on you could of signed gionta likes hes from buffalo. darcy sucks
inkman Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 This is shaded by hindsight. I would hope an NHL GM would have a greater hocky acuumen than you or I and see through Max's inflated points to the real impact a player has. Max, even during his peak years was never for than flash and dash, not a game changer. Kotalik's deficiencies have outweighed his production since his rookie year. Soft, lazy, unimaginative, one trick pony. Whatever he brought to the PP and Shootout, was negated by every other aspect to his game.
inkman Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 we all new the sabres werent gonna get any of the big guys that were already out there but come on you could of signed gionta likes hes from buffalo. darcy sucks Is this even a real post? First Gionta is from Rochester. Second, $5 mill for a one time 5'7" 30 goal scorer?
sabresman17 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 w.e man true 5 years would off been to much but enough with all the gritty players we already have mair gaustard and most likely kaleta. Plus we drafted kassian for that then we signed montador and paille isnt afraid to throw his weight around eatheir. We got skill now we need LEADERSHIP
tom webster Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Is this even a real post? First Gionta is from Rochester. Second, $5 mill for a one time 5'7" 30 goal scorer? Actually 5'7" all the time, one time 48 goal scorer
X. Benedict Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 w.e man true 5 years would off been to much but enough with all the gritty players we already have mair gaustard and most likely kaleta. Plus we drafted kassian for that then we signed montador and paille isnt afraid to throw his weight around eatheir. We got skill now we need LEADERSHIP and you want a leader in Kaberle?
sabresman17 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 yeh i do ass not like theres anyone else helpful out there
X. Benedict Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Free Agent Defensemen still on the market...in no particular order.... 1 OSSI VAANANEN 2 PAUL MARA 3 M. DANDENAULT 4 ALEXEI SEMENOV 5 DENNIS SEIDENBERG 6 JAY MCKEE 7 CORY MURPHY 8 M-A BERGERON 9 KEN KLEE PHX 10 CHRISTIAN BACKMAN 11 NATHAN OYSTRICK 12 MAREK MALIK 13 DEREK MORRIS 14 PHILIPPE BOUCHER 15 MATHIEU SCHNEIDER 16 MARTIN SKOULA 17 ANDREW ALBERTS 18 PATRICE BRISEBOIS 19 TEPPO NUMMINEN 20 JASSEN CULLIMORE 21 NICK BOYNTON FLA 22 FRANCIS BOUILLON 23 BRET HEDICAN ANA 24 GREG DE VRIES 25 DENIS GAUTHIER
sabresman17 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Free Agent Defensemen still on the market...in no particular order....1 OSSI VAANANEN 2 PAUL MARA 3 M. DANDENAULT 4 ALEXEI SEMENOV 5 DENNIS SEIDENBERG 6 JAY MCKEE 7 CORY MURPHY 8 M-A BERGERON 9 KEN KLEE PHX 10 CHRISTIAN BACKMAN 11 NATHAN OYSTRICK 12 MAREK MALIK 13 DEREK MORRIS 14 PHILIPPE BOUCHER 15 MATHIEU SCHNEIDER 16 MARTIN SKOULA 17 ANDREW ALBERTS 18 PATRICE BRISEBOIS 19 TEPPO NUMMINEN 20 JASSEN CULLIMORE 21 NICK BOYNTON FLA 22 FRANCIS BOUILLON 23 BRET HEDICAN ANA 24 GREG DE VRIES 25 DENIS GAUTHIER Haha you call those free agents they all suck ass only ones that you could consider average is mark A Bergeron and derek Morris and you forgot koivu who would be a great leader on our team so much for your knowledge of hockey
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