bob_sauve28 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 To me, this is a huge indictment of Buffalo. Either no one wants to come here or they are unable to pull anything of substance off. Smyth was the perfect fit and they basically got him for Sekera, Tallinder and a 5th round pick. Excuse me? Wouldn't it be great to see Sekera blossom into a fine NHL defenseman on some other team and play for 15 more years while Ryan Smyth plays two so-so years here in his twilight. No thanks.
R_Dudley Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 To me, this is a huge indictment of Buffalo. Either no one wants to come here or they are unable to pull anything of substance off. Smyth was the perfect fit and they basically got him for Sekera, Tallinder and a 5th round pick. Interesting Spackulation(Quoted XBendiction here(QXH for future use)). Maybe our FO modus operandi has caught up to us and people figure they can just wait for it rather than trade for it or they agree with allot of the valuation some posters have stated here on the board and it's high priced FWIW I think it's been well established this is hockey's version of Gitmo. I know, I know, Harry Neale and Scotty Bowman play canasta on Thursday nights in Williamsville. For a young, rich guy... he'll pass. Not to mention the organization's reputation. A quiet building. Lindy Ruff as coach for life. Should I continue? I agree there is a reputation out there but please elaborate that well established Gitmo part, that's a bit hyped ehh? Now the Coaching and team style factors and what that adds in addiiton to a bad rep is point worth delibarting a little further not subjectively but objectively.. I understand that thinking and lean that way myself sometimes but when I see him selected for asst Olympic coach I can't support that premise objectively... You would think the lack of accountability throughout the organization would be a selling point. :thumbsup: :lol: Regardless of the degree, I think we can all agree that reputation is out there going all the way back to Grier/dumont days. The question for me is how much does that and possible other intangibles(like PA alludes too e.g. coaching) weigh in the equation either a premium in $'s it takes or do we only get decent players when traded upright w/o any say in the deal.... Who was the last quality player that chose Bflo as his destination ?
Calvin Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 Excuse me? Wouldn't it be great to see Sekera blossom into a fine NHL defenseman on some other team and play for 15 more years while Ryan Smyth plays two so-so years here in his twilight. No thanks. Exactly!! Hank I don't give a crap about, but Sekera has a bright future ahead of him.. funnily enough, if we were to pull the trigger on this trade and Sekera went elsewhere to become a star, the same idiots on this board would turn around and roast Darcy for the move
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 You have to give to get ... I like Sekera's potential too but it's just that, potential. If it's the right deal, he is far from untouchable. Besides, isn't it 50-50 that once he blossoms they might lose him to free agency like Campbell?
Calvin Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 According to the Fourth Period, the Sabres want a mobile d-men and a scoring winger.... and are also very active in trade talks. What this means, who knows. Just thought i'd pass it along. That web site has been really good so maybe Darcy is trying to improve our squad for real. The Fourth Period has been doing a great job with updates, Pagnotta's been ahead of TSN's Dreger on twitter right from the 1st of July
bob_sauve28 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 You have to give to get ... I like Sekera's potential too but it's just that, potential. If it's the right deal, he is far from untouchable. Besides, isn't it 50-50 that once he blossoms they might lose him to free agency like Campbell? No one is untouchable, but no way am I trading him for some old fossil that has a year or two left. Good defenseman are just too hard to find.
shrader Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 To me, this is a huge indictment of Buffalo. Either no one wants to come here or they are unable to pull anything of substance off. Smyth was the perfect fit and they basically got him for Sekera, Tallinder and a 5th round pick. Come on, you're better than this. Who knows if LA even talked to Buffalo.
nfreeman Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 To me, this is a huge indictment of Buffalo. Either no one wants to come here or they are unable to pull anything of substance off. Smyth was the perfect fit and they basically got him for Sekera, Tallinder and a 5th round pick. As one who's been beating the drums for Smyth for a while, I agree generally that he is exactly what this team is aching for. I would gladly have traded tallinder, sekera and a 5th for him. I like sekera, but I think smyth would have had a much greater impact on the sabres for at least the next 2 years and likely 3 or 4. That's good enough for me. Having said that, we have no idea whether Darcy was in the mix on this trade or not. It's quite likely that smyth said NFW on going to Buffalo, especially if he knew that LA was an option. LA is much closer to home for him, and there are very few people making that kind of cash who wouldn't insist on LA over Buffalo in that situation. I think it's pretty unlikely that a good player will waive a NTC to accept a trade to buffalo, and I think it's not because of the organization.
X. Benedict Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 As one who's been beating the drums for Smyth for a while, I agree generally that he is exactly what this team is aching for. I would gladly have traded tallinder, sekera and a 5th for him. I like sekera, but I think smyth would have had a much greater impact on the sabres for at least the next 2 years and likely 3 or 4. That's good enough for me. Having said that, we have no idea whether Darcy was in the mix on this trade or not. It's quite likely that smyth said NFW on going to Buffalo, especially if he knew that LA was an option. LA is much closer to home for him, and there are very few people making that kind of cash who wouldn't insist on LA over Buffalo in that situation. I think it's pretty unlikely that a good player will waive a NTC to accept a trade to buffalo, and I think it's not because of the organization. Smyth has a No movement clause, so he had to give his consent. I'm pretty sure it goes something like this......honey, we could go live in Southern California this winter or Buffalo...what do you think?
Foligno's Nose Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 Aside from all the talk... A very important event has taken place... ATTENTION DARCY REGIER: THE POST JULY 1ST FREE AGENCY TRADE MARKET HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.... STOP... Aside from that, do you think someone could text Darcy over at LQ's annual 4th of July party and let him know that, after the next game of bocce ball, he can check his voice mail to see if anyone called about Hecht or Tallinder???...no calls???...OK, WAIVE THEIR ! And aside from that... Happy Independence Day to all here @ SS Enjoy the beautiful September weather. (The Trews @ the FF in Fort Erie tonight)
tom webster Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Excuse me? Wouldn't it be great to see Sekera blossom into a fine NHL defenseman on some other team and play for 15 more years while Ryan Smyth plays two so-so years here in his twilight. No thanks. If Sekera, Butler and Myers are as slam dunk superstars as some seem to think on this board maybe we should sit and wait until they lead us to the promised land. Sekera has played well for a young guy until he got benched at the end of the year. The jury is still out on how well he will develop.
deluca67 Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Come on, you're better than this. Who knows if LA even talked to Buffalo. Shouldn't Regier be in contact with every team and be aware of every player available? What else does he have to do with his time? It's not like he is being overwhelmed by negotiations with free agents. Regier maybe the only GM in at 9am and out by 3pm in the entire NHL.
deluca67 Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 If Sekera, Butler and Myers are as slam dunk superstars as some seem to think on this board maybe we should sit and wait until they lead us to the promised land. Sekera has played well for a young guy until he got benched at the end of the year. The jury is still out on how well he will develop. This team is not getting better by standing still. People have to realize that the only way to get any quality in a trade is to offer quality in return. As much as we want Tallinder, Lydman and Hecht gone, other teams are not banging down the Sabres door to get them. If it takes a Sekera to bring in a forward with size and some skill then get the deal done.
tom webster Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Come on, you're better than this. Who knows if LA even talked to Buffalo. I am going by the premis that Buffalo is run by smart hockey people who basically tell the truth. They have indicated that Smyth is the type of player they need and he was available for a pretty low price. As "X" said, I have no doubt that it would have been difficult getting him here and chances are he would't have come without a huge recruitment effort. There are more and more whispers that similiar to Edmonton, players with a choice don't want to come here and I would argue a very small part of it is about the weather. This should ne a dream location for a lot of players being so close to Canada without the pressure and yet they settle for a guy like Montador whom they could have signed at the beginning of last year for half of what they paid him this year. By the way, it would have been the Avalanche who talked to Buffalo and I agree it wasn't my best post.
X. Benedict Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 By the way, it would have been the Avalanche who talked to Buffalo and I agree it wasn't my best post. Ryan Smyth at his best can be a force of nature. He's the type of player when he's "on" that can improve every line on your club even when he isn't putting up numbers. We can all covet a little before we have to settle for the practical 4 door sedan. :beer:
nfreeman Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 I am going by the premis that Buffalo is run by smart hockey people who basically tell the truth. They have indicated that Smyth is the type of player they need and he was available for a pretty low price. As "X" said, I have no doubt that it would have been difficult getting him here and chances are he would't have come without a huge recruitment effort. There are more and more whispers that similiar to Edmonton, players with a choice don't want to come here and I would argue a very small part of it is about the weather. This should ne a dream location for a lot of players being so close to Canada without the pressure and yet they settle for a guy like Montador whom they could have signed at the beginning of last year for half of what they paid him this year. By the way, it would have been the Avalanche who talked to Buffalo and I agree it wasn't my best post. I generally agree, but when I think of players having Buffalo pretty low on their list of desired locations, I don't think of weather as the primary reason. These guys are Canadian and Northern European/Russian anyway, so they're used to ice and snow. It's all the other things that differentiate Buffalo and Edmonton on the one hand from Toronto, NYC, Chicago, LA, Boston, Vancouver, Philly, DC, etc. on the other. I don't intend to start a quality-of-life discussion here, but those other things matter to players and their families too. Having said that, I suspect you're probably right about there being a perception around the league that the Sabres' organization isn't on par with many others. I don't think we can really know the answer to that though unless and until the Sabres really try to bring in big-ticket free agents and get rebuffed. Right now they're not trying, because it doesn't fit with their budget or their philosophy as an organization. Bottom line is that for now I don't think we'll see well-known veteran players come here other than via trade.
Calvin Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 This team is not getting better by standing still. People have to realize that the only way to get any quality in a trade is to offer quality in return. As much as we want Tallinder, Lydman and Hecht gone, other teams are not banging down the Sabres door to get them. If it takes a Sekera to bring in a forward with size and some skill then get the deal done. So you're basically suggesting that not only we not unload Tallinder, Lydman and Hecht (because no one else wants them), but also mortgage the future by dumping off the kids who can make it better; all for a couple of vets who hopefully will give us a couple of good seasons. And then what? More mediocrity in a couple of years? I'm as unhappy about the current situation as any one else here, but I don't believe that dumping off our potential future mainstays on an offchance that it might make us playoff contenders next year is the way to go.
deluca67 Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 I generally agree, but when I think of players having Buffalo pretty low on their list of desired locations, I don't think of weather as the primary reason. These guys are Canadian and Northern European/Russian anyway, so they're used to ice and snow. It's all the other things that differentiate Buffalo and Edmonton on the one hand from Toronto, NYC, Chicago, LA, Boston, Vancouver, Philly, DC, etc. on the other. I don't intend to start a quality-of-life discussion here, but those other things matter to players and their families too. Having said that, I suspect you're probably right about there being a perception around the league that the Sabres' organization isn't on par with many others. I don't think we can really know the answer to that though unless and until the Sabres really try to bring in big-ticket free agents and get rebuffed. Right now they're not trying, because it doesn't fit with their budget or their philosophy as an organization. Bottom line is that for now I don't think we'll see well-known veteran players come here other than via trade. Are we sure about that? It is just assumed they stay away from free agency because of financial restrictions. It is just as likely the Sabres are fully aware of their league wide reputation and how it prohibits them from the free agent market.
Stoner Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Are we sure about that? It is just assumed they stay away from free agency because of financial restrictions. It is just as likely the Sabres are fully aware of their league wide reputation and how it prohibits them from the free agent market. Circular logic anyone? I think money motivates most professional athletes, most people period. What drives salaries for offensive players? Stats. Guys around the league see a defensive-minded coach for life in Lindy who is far from an offensive mind. His teams and power plays routinely go on months-long scoring droughts (hell, sometimes full seasons), and he is clueless as to what to do. Although it's a very strange example for me to bring up, given his payday from '07, other players see how an offensively gifted player like Thomas Vanek, a potential superstar, lands in Ruff's lap, and Ruff says he wants to turn him into a two-way player and keeps him chained to the bench. We're not the only ones who see the miserable expression on Vanek's face.
nfreeman Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Circular logic anyone? I think money motivates most professional athletes, most people period. What drives salaries for offensive players? Stats. Guys around the league see a defensive-minded coach for life in Lindy who is far from an offensive mind. His teams and power plays routinely go on months-long scoring droughts (hell, sometimes full seasons), and he is clueless as to what to do. Although it's a very strange example for me to bring up, given his payday from '07, other players see how an offensively gifted player like Thomas Vanek, a potential superstar, lands in Ruff's lap, and Ruff says he wants to turn him into a two-way player and keeps him chained to the bench. We're not the only ones who see the miserable expression on Vanek's face. Nonsense. The Sabres led the league in scoring in 06-07 and were 4th in 07-08.
sabresnutinphoenix Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Aside from all the talk... A very important event has taken place... ATTENTION DARCY REGIER: THE POST JULY 1ST FREE AGENCY TRADE MARKET HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.... STOP... Aside from that, do you think someone could text Darcy over at LQ's annual 4th of July party and let him know that, after the next game of bocce ball, he can check his voice mail to see if anyone called about Hecht or Tallinder???...no calls???...OK, WAIVE THEIR ! And aside from that... Happy Independence Day to all here @ SS Enjoy the beautiful September weather. (The Trews @ the FF in Fort Erie tonight) I couldn't agree more....Front Office must think our team is well set...So, if we start poorly (2-8, etc.)...FIRE QUINN, DARCY, and LINDY....
shrader Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 I couldn't agree more....Front Office must think our team is well set...So, if we start poorly (2-8, etc.)...FIRE QUINN, DARCY, and LINDY.... It's been said over and over on here, but how exactly do you fire a part owner?
Stoner Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Nonsense. The Sabres led the league in scoring in 06-07 and were 4th in 07-08. Paging BM. Blue and gold courtesy phone. Paging BM.
X. Benedict Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Nonsense. The Sabres led the league in scoring in 06-07 and were 4th in 07-08. And the power play was extremely good this past year. The surprise was that the PK wasn't.
Stoner Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Nonsense. The Sabres led the league in scoring in 06-07 and were 4th in 07-08. You forgot 5th in 05-06. And 17th, 17th, 20th, 16th, 17th, 25th...
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