Taro T Posted June 8, 2009 Report Posted June 8, 2009 I'll clarify the sham thing a bit. Coming out of the lockout, all their talk was that they would cut back on obstruction. The only thing they cut back on was the hooking, which you're right, is a major change. They never did a thing about obstruction though. Ok, they did call it a bit at first, but now they're letting defensemen ride players off into the boards again. Yes, new defense has developed and new defense will continue to develop. That's the way the game is. It continues to evolve so that the untalented can compete with the real talent. Well, they improved 2 of the three main things that were done to slow the game down: hooking and holding are now called far more frequently. I guess technically holding isn't called that much any more, but that's primarily due to guys understanding that if they are engaged with an opponent and only have 1 hand on their own stick they're going to get called for the hold rather than being due to a relaxing of the standards. The obstruction interference away from the puck seems to be coming back more, but a lot of that is, as other posters mentioned, due to defensemen understanding what will and won't get called. But even that is more the defender getting in front of the forechecker and getting their body into them than the old keep the stick 3 feet out from their body and then steer the forechecker harmlessly away. Detroit and Jersey seem to get away with more of it than other teams; not sure if that's because they're more subtle when starting the interference so it doesn't get noticed by refs, giving the good teams the benefit of the doubt, or a combination. Although I've seen more non-calls of all 3 in the last 2 rounds this year than I had the entire rest of the season. Hopefully that's more of a matter of Detroit being in 2 of those 3 series and it isn't a sign that the oft repeated cries of "we're back to the old NHL" might finally have some merit; but Pittsburgh Carolina at times was reminiscent of Tampa Calgary.
sabresfan2126 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Posted June 13, 2009 Looking at the free agent list today, I made up a list of players that I think the Sabres should look at, knowing Bouwmeester is not a realistic option, I would like the following players in blue and gold next year. bring back Marty to back up Miller, Defense I like Derek Morris, Marc Andre Bergerion, Mattias Ohland Forwards I like Eric Cole, Saku Koivu, Mike Knuble and resign Dominic Moore at the right price. I realize we can't sign all of these guys, who have I missed that should be added to the list? Flame away! The resigning of moore is a must and if we could sign ohlund and cole i think a lot of problems could be fixed. good list all are viable options
deluca67 Posted June 15, 2009 Report Posted June 15, 2009 The resigning of moore is a must and if we could sign ohlund and cole i think a lot of problems could be fixed. good list all are viable options Why? He seems to be pretty the same player the Sabres already have too many of. He's better on faceoffs than what the Sabres have but is nowhere near the physical player the Sabres need.
darksabre Posted June 15, 2009 Report Posted June 15, 2009 Why? He seems to be pretty the same player the Sabres already have too many of. He's better on faceoffs than what the Sabres have but is nowhere near the physical player the Sabres need. He works hard in the corners though, which is something none of the Sabres do.
deluca67 Posted June 15, 2009 Report Posted June 15, 2009 He works hard in the corners though, which is something none of the Sabres do. That is true. My thought was that if the Sabres are going to even take a peak at the free agent market that would have to be a quality any player signed would have. If the Sabres are going to spend any money in free agency, which I doubt, they can get better value for their money than Moore. That said, I would gladly waive Hecht to make room.
jimiVbaby Posted June 15, 2009 Report Posted June 15, 2009 That is true. My thought was that if the Sabres are going to even take a peak at the free agent market that would have to be a quality any player signed would have. If the Sabres are going to spend any money in free agency, which I doubt, they can get better value for their money than Moore. That said, I would gladly waive Hecht to make room. Tim Connolly IS the free agent acquisition, Darcy said it when he signed him.
wjag Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 That is true. My thought was that if the Sabres are going to even take a peak at the free agent market that would have to be a quality any player signed would have. If the Sabres are going to spend any money in free agency, which I doubt, they can get better value for their money than Moore. That said, I would gladly waive Hecht to make room. I haven't followed the news that closely since the end of the season. I was convinced he was playing with a bad wing (that is how I rationalized his poor play and weak back-hand only shot making). Does anyone know? In fact, has anyone tracked who had off season stitching? If Hecht isn't hurt, his game dropped off so precipitiously that I agree with this assessment. If he wasn't hurt, maybe a change of unis/coach/system would be the best thing for him.
sabresfan2126 Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Why? He seems to be pretty the same player the Sabres already have too many of. He's better on faceoffs than what the Sabres have but is nowhere near the physical player the Sabres need. true thats why you get rid of luggage like max, macarthur, and paille, fill there roles with big men, but moore and his faceoffs and effective penalty killing must be kept around.
Mbossy Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 nhlnumbers has updated to 09-10 season. We really only have 8 forwards and 5 defenseman "signed" for next year. Plenty of room to play GM Larry.
thesportsbuff Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 so sorry if this is a little off topic but i didn't want to make a whole thread about it and don't know where else to post it... today on hockeybuzz: The Sabres are finally making some noise, and may have some interest in a "major move" of sorts that could find Danny Briere back in Buffalo. There are all sorts of false rumors circulating about Briere being turned down in various trades. Again, Briere has a NTC and has more value than people realize. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL :D
inkman Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 today on hockeybuzz: Tallinder, Hecht, & Gerbe for Briere (E4) :thumbsup:
X. Benedict Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Tallinder, Hecht, & Gerbe for Briere (E4) :thumbsup: Hmmmm. shipping out 6.5 to get 6.5 back... Weird.....was that really in print?
wonderbread Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Hmmmm. shipping out 6.5 to get 6.5 back... Weird.....was that really in print? This will NEVER happen ever. I can't believe the crap this guy comes up with. I bet Old Ek goes "hmm what type of shiit can I serve up to the B-lo fans that will have them eating out of my hands and give me hits all day? I know I will come up with a DB rumor!"
inkman Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Hmmmm. shipping out 6.5 to get 6.5 back... Weird.....was that really in print? No but if he can make up #%^$#!, so can I. :thumbsup: This will NEVER happen ever. I can't believe the crap this guy comes up with. I can whole-heartedly believe everything he comes up with. Not that any of it is true but rather the fact that he can cut and paste a couple of names together to make the lemmings fall right off the cliff. It's quite entertaining if not a study of internet culture.
X. Benedict Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 No but if he can make up #%^$#!, so can I. :thumbsup: I can whole-heartedly believe everything he comes up with. Not that any of it is true but rather the fact that he can cut and paste a couple of names together to make the lemmings fall right off the cliff. It's quite entertaining if not a study of internet culture. I can fully believe thatPhilly would want to get rid of/ or even give away his contract....I have a hard time believing they would take any players back.... But just for speculation....do you think that Philly would take a first round pick for Briere...I think they would?
Mbossy Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I can fully believe thatPhilly would want to get rid of/ or even give away his contract....I have a hard time believing theywould take any players back.... But just for speculation....do you think that Philly would take a first round pick for Briere...I think they would? I bet they'd take Gerbe. I'm just not sure if I'd (like i have a say) go with giving up healthy, younger for older, bruised groin man?
wonderbread Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I can fully believe thatPhilly would want to get rid of/ or even give away his contract....I have a hard time believing theywould take any players back.... But just for speculation....do you think that Philly would take a first round pick for Briere...I think they would? Sure they would they would then turn and sign Jay-Bo to a mega contract.
Mbossy Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Sure they would they would then turn and sign Jay-Bo to a mega contract. Philly's at 55million cap, still can't afford Jay-bo even with DB gone. They need to still sign 5-6 more players. I wouldn't want to PF GM, or would I?
X. Benedict Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Philly's at 55million cap, still can't afford Jay-bo even with DB gone. They need to still sign 5-6 more players. I wouldn't want to PF GM, or would I? My bet is they figure out a way to get rid of Briere and Lupul in the offseason. That's 10.5 off the top. That's not to say they get Jay B....but I think they do get a defenseman.
wonderbread Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 My bet is they figure out a way to get rid of Briere and Lupul in the offseason. That's 10.5 off the top. That's not to say they get Jay B....but I think they do get a defenseman. Lupul would be a quality acquisition.
shrader Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I can fully believe thatPhilly would want to get rid of/ or even give away his contract....I have a hard time believing theywould take any players back.... But just for speculation....do you think that Philly would take a first round pick for Briere...I think they would? They're going to have to GIVE UP a 1st to unload Briere.
nfreeman Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I can fully believe thatPhilly would want to get rid of/ or even give away his contract....I have a hard time believing theywould take any players back.... But just for speculation....do you think that Philly would take a first round pick for Briere...I think they would? Absolutely, but I think there is NFW the Sabres are interested in Briere at that contract. I'll be pretty surprised if the Flyers get a 1st-rounder for Briere. He's a good player, but cap/budget space is itself a valuable commodity these days.
X. Benedict Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Absolutely, but I think there is NFW the Sabres are interested in Briere at that contract. I'll be pretty surprised if the Flyers get a 1st-rounder for Briere. He's a good player, but cap/budget space is itself a valuable commodity these days. I think it is possible.....Montreal has a boatload of money....and didn't score a PP goal in the playoffs. If I'm Bob Gainey I might figure out a way to drop or move up in the draft and trade for Briere and Lupal with one or two picks 25-40th pick and a 40-50.
nfreeman Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I think it is possible.....Montreal has a boatload of money....and didn't score a PP goal in the playoffs. If I'm Bob Gainey I might figure out a way to drop or move up in the draft and trade for Briere and Lupal with one or two picks 25-40th pick and a 40-50. Anything is possible, and Gainey both (i) is under pressure and (ii) has made a number of bonehead moves lately. Trading a 1st-rounder for Briere sort of jibes with both factors. But the Habs have a lot of roster spots to fill (that's why they have so much money to spend). But you are right -- the Habs swinging a deal for him involving a draft pick is plausible.
darksabre Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I could see teams giving up a first for Briere. I wouldn't want the Sabres to, though. I would only pull that trigger if there were some NHL caliber surprises in the lower rounds, otherwise we need our 1st rounder this year.
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