San Diego Sabres Fan Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Looking at the free agent list today, I made up a list of players that I think the Sabres should look at, knowing Bouwmeester is not a realistic option, I would like the following players in blue and gold next year. bring back Marty to back up Miller, Defense I like Derek Morris, Marc Andre Bergerion, Mattias Ohland Forwards I like Eric Cole, Saku Koivu, Mike Knuble and resign Dominic Moore at the right price. I realize we can't sign all of these guys, who have I missed that should be added to the list? Flame away!
inkman Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 You want to bring in seven new players, while there are only 3 or 4 spots available, at most?
wonderbread Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Looking at the free agent list today, I made up a list of players that I think the Sabres should look at, knowing Bouwmeester is not a realistic option, I would like the following players in blue and gold next year. bring back Marty to back up Miller, Defense I like Derek Morris, Marc Andre Bergerion, Mattias Ohland Forwards I like Eric Cole, Saku Koivu, Mike Knuble and resign Dominic Moore at the right price. I realize we can't sign all of these guys, who have I missed that should be added to the list? Flame away! You better get you asbestos sweater out if you are gonna make posts like this. Not that I don't agree with some of what you said.
San Diego Sabres Fan Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Posted June 5, 2009 I did state that I know they wouldn't bring in all seven guys, these are the guys I would like Darcy to consider, who did I leave off my list that would also make sense and could fit into our cap space?
X. Benedict Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 You want to bring in seven new players, while there are only 3 or 4 spots available, at most? Darcy has to make room....clear some under-performing weight. This draft he really should be busy. If there is no market.... screw it. Waive people. Maybe the AHL will knock some complacency out this team. Hecht - Waive or Trade Paille - Trade Afinegenov - Walk Ellis - Walk Peters - Walk MacArthur - sign - trade - waive - any will do. Tallinder - Trade or waive Paetch - trade or waive Teppo - Walk This isn't Darcy's MO - but if you have to throw in everyday assets to make trades happen, you do it. He built a nice team from the back out G-D-C, in that order....if he has to move wingers -Stafford, Vanek, or Pomminstein incl. to get stronger up the middle or on D or C - he needs to do it. I like Spach...but I'm also coming around to the idea of replacing him with Skrastins or Komiserik . Skrastins could be a deal that opens cap space for a bigger name. Komiserik has the right hand shot but I think the cost will be too high.
inkman Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Darcy has to make room....clear some under-performing weight. This draft he really should be busy. If there is no market.... screw it. Waive people. Maybe the AHL will knock some complacency out this team. Hecht - Waive or Trade Paille - Trade Afinegenov - Walk Ellis - Walk Peters - Walk MacArthur - sign - trade - waive - any will do. Tallinder - Trade or waive Paetch - trade or waive Teppo - Walk Even if all those things do happen, which we know they won't, half those spots will be filled by last years :chris: and maybe Myers. The Sabres might make one or two aquisitions this offseason.
sabresnutinphoenix Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Watching the Finals, it appears we have a lot to do to be like one of the 2 Finalists....
billsrcursed Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Why bother, we wont can't afford to be in the FA market. FIXED...
Kristian Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 "Change needs to come from within". - Darcy Regier.
Guest Sloth Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 "Change needs to come from within". - Darcy Regier. Then Darcy should walk.
Kristian Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Then Darcy should walk. No argument there. Problem is, I got a feeling that particular statement of his came directly from Larry the Moron, so unless he walks too, we're s*** out of luck. No, Darcy's problem is that when he actually is allowed to trade for, or sign anybody, they're usually 5'8", 140lbs "finesse" players. You can never have enough of those, I guess :wallbash:
Stoner Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 No argument there. Problem is, I got a feeling that particular statement of his came directly from Larry the Moron, so unless he walks too, we're s*** out of luck. No, Darcy's problem is that when he actually is allowed to trade for, or sign anybody, they're usually 5'8", 140lbs "finesse" players. You can never have enough of those, I guess :wallbash: The burning question is why Lindy or Darcy or both haven't walked by now? I mean, Lindy's so brilliant, he's sure to get a job somewhere. Darcy has a pretty good reputation and would surely land on his feet. Either they both believe in ownership -- making many on this board fools -- or they don't believe in themselves. I really don't get it.
sabreskings3623 Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Travis Moen(LW)(he's what this team needs more of, a gritty, physical winger that can kill penalties) James Wisnewski(D) Francios Beauchemin(D) Nik Antropov(RW/C) Mike Knuble(RW) Kurtis Foster(D) (6'5", 230lb right handed defenseman that moves the puck, has a wicked slapshot, and is physical and solid in his own end) Marc-Andre Bergeron(D) (Speedy puck-moving PP QB, with good slapshot, hits hard too)
shrader Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 No, Darcy's problem is that when he actually is allowed to trade for, or sign anybody, they're usually 5'8", 140lbs "finesse" players. Feel free to point out any of those players that they've traded for or signed in free agency.
darksabre Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Feel free to point out any of those players that they've traded for or signed in free agency. Oh snap, shrader with the logic slap!
Kristian Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Feel free to point out any of those players that they've traded for or signed in free agency. Very true, I was just trying to make the point that Darcy has always had a crush on smallish finesse players, over hard-working and gritty average sized players. However if you insist, why not bring up both out two favorite ex-captains as smallish finesse aquisitions, but you'd probably just be all over me for doubting those two deals. Don't forget though, that neither led us anywhere in pre-lockout times, and the team didn't really start to click before a guy like Mike Grier was brought in. Now the league is back to pre-lockout rules, neither Drury or Briere have played well with their new teams, and not surprisingly The Sabres are back to pre-lockout results. So was it Darcy's team building skills that brought us to two consecutive ECF's, or was it just that the league seemed to drop a huge advantage in our laps? I think it's a valid question. Please note that I do realise neither Drury or Briere are 5'8", yet again I was just trying to make a point. My point? Nothing has changed, except the league who changed for two seasons, before reverting back to status quo. Lindy's the same, Darcy's the same, The Buffalo Sabres are the same. The roster holds some new names, but the results are.... *drumroll*.... The same.
Hawerchuk Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Travis Moen(LW)(he's what this team needs more of, a gritty, physical winger that can kill penalties)James Wisnewski(D) Francios Beauchemin(D) Nik Antropov(RW/C) Mike Knuble(RW) Kurtis Foster(D) (6'5", 230lb right handed defenseman that moves the puck, has a wicked slapshot, and is physical and solid in his own end) Marc-Andre Bergeron(D) (Speedy puck-moving PP QB, with good slapshot, hits hard too) I like this list. Unfortunately, Darcy doesn't :angry: I thought Wisnewski played great in the playoffs. Moen is a tough SOB and Beauchemin brings lots of experience. I don't think the Rangers will drop Antropov though. Maybe Darcy will read this thread and take notes?
Stoner Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Very true, I was just trying to make the point that Darcy has always had a crush on smallish finesse players, over hard-working and gritty average sized players. However if you insist, why not bring up both out two favorite ex-captains as smallish finesse aquisitions, but you'd probably just be all over me for doubting those two deals. Don't forget though, that neither led us anywhere in pre-lockout times, and the team didn't really start to click before a guy like Mike Grier was brought in. Now the league is back to pre-lockout rules, neither Drury or Briere have played well with their new teams, and not surprisingly The Sabres are back to pre-lockout results. So was it Darcy's team building skills that brought us to two consecutive ECF's, or was it just that the league seemed to drop a huge advantage in our laps? I think it's a valid question. Please note that I do realise neither Drury or Briere are 5'8", yet again I was just trying to make a point. My point? Nothing has changed, except the league who changed for two seasons, before reverting back to status quo. Lindy's the same, Darcy's the same, The Buffalo Sabres are the same. The roster holds some new names, but the results are.... *drumroll*.... The same. Remember the "The Plan" threads on here after the lockout? The consensus seemed to be that Darce saw the post lockout league two or three years ahead of time. As for the league reverting back... Paul Coffey was interviewed on Versus during Game 4 and said he thought the game was in great shape because of the changes the league made to open up the game. I wonder how much the league really has changed vs. how much the Sabres merely declined. Oh yeah, Coffey had the perfect answer to a clich? question. Christine Simpson asked him how he would fare in the NHL if he were still playing. "Well, I'm 48, so probably not so good." :)
X. Benedict Posted June 8, 2009 Report Posted June 8, 2009 Kurtis Foster(D) (6'5", 230lb right handed defenseman that moves the puck, has a wicked slapshot, and is physical and solid in his own end) Interesting idea.....but I seem to remember him being too slow even for the trap in Minny.
nfreeman Posted June 8, 2009 Report Posted June 8, 2009 Travis Moen(LW)(he's what this team needs more of, a gritty, physical winger that can kill penalties)James Wisnewski(D) Francios Beauchemin(D) Nik Antropov(RW/C) Mike Knuble(RW) Kurtis Foster(D) (6'5", 230lb right handed defenseman that moves the puck, has a wicked slapshot, and is physical and solid in his own end) Marc-Andre Bergeron(D) (Speedy puck-moving PP QB, with good slapshot, hits hard too) I like everyone on this list except Antropov. First choice would be Wisniewski. Remember the "The Plan" threads on here after the lockout? The consensus seemed to be that Darce saw the post lockout league two or three years ahead of time. As for the league reverting back... Paul Coffey was interviewed on Versus during Game 4 and said he thought the game was in great shape because of the changes the league made to open up the game. I wonder how much the league really has changed vs. how much the Sabres merely declined. Oh yeah, Coffey had the perfect answer to a clich? question. Christine Simpson asked him how he would fare in the NHL if he were still playing. "Well, I'm 48, so probably not so good." :) Correct. The whole "the NHL has reverted to pre-lockout ways" meme is nonsense. It's tightened up a bit, but it's nowhere near where it was pre-lockout. What has happened is that the coaches have learned how to defend against the faster game.
shrader Posted June 8, 2009 Report Posted June 8, 2009 Correct. The whole "the NHL has reverted to pre-lockout ways" meme is nonsense. It's tightened up a bit, but it's nowhere near where it was pre-lockout. What has happened is that the coaches have learned how to defend against the faster game. I don't think they've learned anything new. It took a while, but they eventually realized that the so called cutback on obstruction never actually happened. The only change they made was the increased hooking calls. The biggest form of obstruction, interfering with forecheckers after a dump in, was never restricted. For a while, the D wouldn't touch the forecheckers, letting them skate right around them. When they figured out that the refs wouldn't make that interference call, they went right back to doing it. The whole thing was a sham and a marketing ploy. They have made some good changes, but they'll never go as far as they need to.
nucci Posted June 8, 2009 Report Posted June 8, 2009 I don't think they've learned anything new. It took a while, but they eventually realized that the so called cutback on obstruction never actually happened. The only change they made was the increased hooking calls. The biggest form of obstruction, interfering with forecheckers after a dump in, was never restricted. For a while, the D wouldn't touch the forecheckers, letting them skate right around them. When they figured out that the refs wouldn't make that interference call, they went right back to doing it. The whole thing was a sham and a marketing ploy. They have made some good changes, but they'll never go as far as they need to. Agreed, more hooking is called but interference is allowed more than ever. Some of the hooking calls are ridiculous.
nfreeman Posted June 8, 2009 Report Posted June 8, 2009 I don't think they've learned anything new. It took a while, but they eventually realized that the so called cutback on obstruction never actually happened. The only change they made was the increased hooking calls. The biggest form of obstruction, interfering with forecheckers after a dump in, was never restricted. For a while, the D wouldn't touch the forecheckers, letting them skate right around them. When they figured out that the refs wouldn't make that interference call, they went right back to doing it. The whole thing was a sham and a marketing ploy. They have made some good changes, but they'll never go as far as they need to. I don't agree. The big coaching change in response to the new rules -- which I've observed as well as read in multiple places -- has been an increased emphasis on collapsing into a "mosh pit" in the slot and blocking shots before they get to the goalie. As for obstruction on the dump-ins, I agree that there is more of this than I'd like, but I also think a standard approach has evolved on this such that the players know exactly what they can get away with without being called, but there is less obstruction than previously. And the crackdown on hooking has been huge. It has literally changed the way the game is played. So I don't think it was just a sham and a marketing ploy. The game is different now. There is much more speed. Certainly there are changes that I would still like to see, but the level of speed and skill on display is much higher now than it was pre-lockout. Just compare the Finals this year with Tampa-Calgary or NJ-Detroit. There is a huge difference.
shrader Posted June 8, 2009 Report Posted June 8, 2009 I'll clarify the sham thing a bit. Coming out of the lockout, all their talk was that they would cut back on obstruction. The only thing they cut back on was the hooking, which you're right, is a major change. They never did a thing about obstruction though. Ok, they did call it a bit at first, but now they're letting defensemen ride players off into the boards again. Yes, new defense has developed and new defense will continue to develop. That's the way the game is. It continues to evolve so that the untalented can compete with the real talent.
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