billsrcursed Posted May 29, 2009 Report Posted May 29, 2009 That is what I have been trying to say the entire time. I am in complete support of a teacher receiving a second chance. What bothers me is that our society is willing to give some people, Michael Vick, second chances, but not others (a teacher doing something immoral.) That was the point I've been trying to get across. In most cases, I, too, am a forgiving person. That is why I'd be willing to give a teacher who commited an immoral act a second chance. As a side note on the steroids, there will always be more than one reason of why a high school kid used them. Poor parenting, pressure from a coach, peer pressure, wanting Ohio State to recruit them, professional athletes they look up to, etc... These are just examples, and I gurantee more than one played a role in teen's choice to use steroids. There is never just one reason. I agree on both accounts, second chances and the steroids issue. And you're right, anyone who is not given a second chance (in most cases) for something someone else was is unfortunate. I think it's just the way our society functions. Our consistency is laughable in terms of justice. Good conversation, I'm glad I was able to better understand your view on this. It's funny how more times than not, people who seem to be on opposite sides of the fence end up with more common ground than first expected! BTW, I'm not as forgiving in regards to some of our Sabres, i.e. Hank and Jochen .... :thumbsup:
Guest Sloth Posted May 29, 2009 Report Posted May 29, 2009 I agree on both accounts, second chances and the steroids issue. And you're right, anyone who is not given a second chance (in most cases) for something someone else was is unfortunate. I think it's just the way our society functions. Our consistency is laughable in terms of justice. Good conversation, I'm glad I was able to better understand your view on this. It's funny how more times than not, people who seem to be on opposite sides of the fence end up with more common ground than first expected! BTW, I'm not as forgiving in regards to some of our Sabres, i.e. Hank and Jochen .... :thumbsup: I am in complete agreement about the conversation we had. :thumbsup: I also have the same feelings about Hank and Jochen. It'll take a Stanley Cup for me to forgive Hank, Jochen, and whoever is respsonsible for them being stuck in Buffalo! :lol:
shrader Posted May 29, 2009 Report Posted May 29, 2009 I'm glad you don't support the abuse of animal abuse, So wait, does this mean that a little animal abuse is fine? :D
MattPie Posted May 29, 2009 Report Posted May 29, 2009 That is what I have been trying to say the entire time. I am in complete support of a teacher receiving a second chance. What bothers me is that our society is willing to give some people, Michael Vick, second chances, but not others (a teacher doing something immoral.) That was the point I've been trying to get across. In most cases, I, too, am a forgiving person. That is why I'd be willing to give a teacher who commited an immoral act a second chance. What, using today's definition of 'immoral', could a teacher do that's immoral (and a firing offense) but yet forgivable? The only thing I can really see as a firing offense is something inappropriate with a child, which fails the second condition. Maybe I'm not up on what teachers get fired for...
Ohiofan Posted May 29, 2009 Report Posted May 29, 2009 What, using today's definition of 'immoral', could a teacher do that's immoral (and a firing offense) but yet forgivable? The only thing I can really see as a firing offense is something inappropriate with a child, which fails the second condition. Maybe I'm not up on what teachers get fired for... A teacher at my daughters school was fired for receiving, and then forwarding an inappropriate e-mail. From my understanding it was one of those hunky naked men jokes...and this teacher (a young woman) used a school computer. She was fired for it, and I probably would have forgiven her for it. Another teacher in another school was fired because of a DUI conviction. It was after school hours and she was out with her friends and used poor judgment and drove. While I think this woman was STUPID to drink and drive, I'm not so sure she should have lost her job for it.
deluca67 Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Michael Vick a Buffalo Bill. I am 100% serious about my response. I would buy a ticket to the opening game. When Michael Vick is walking around on the sidelines I will run to the rail and pelt him with the bags of dog crap I will sneak in. I will gladly have Security escort me out and I will gladly stand in front of a judge and plead guilty. Michael Vick is less than a human being and deserves to be reminded of such every day of his life until he kills himself. When he does I will take my dogs to his grave and join them in taking a huge dump on his grave stone.
SwampD Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Michael Vick a Buffalo Bill. I am 100% serious about my response. I would buy a ticket to the opening game. When Michael Vick is walking around on the sidelines I will run to the rail and pelt him with the bags of dog crap I will sneak in. I will gladly have Security escort me out and I will gladly stand in front of a judge and plead guilty. Michael Vick is less than a human being and deserves to be reminded of such every day of his life until he kills himself. When he does I will take my dogs to his grave and join them in taking a huge dump on his grave stone. Never have I wanted Vick on the team more than I do right now.
Guest Sloth Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Never have I wanted Vick on the team more than I do right now. Ok, that caught me off guard. Very funny! Drinking a beer on that one! :beer:
billsrcursed Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Michael Vick a Buffalo Bill. I am 100% serious about my response. I would buy a ticket to the opening game. When Michael Vick is walking around on the sidelines I will run to the rail and pelt him with the bags of dog crap I will sneak in. I will gladly have Security escort me out and I will gladly stand in front of a judge and plead guilty. Michael Vick is less than a human being and deserves to be reminded of such every day of his life until he kills himself. When he does I will take my dogs to his grave and join them in taking a huge dump on his grave stone. So wait, you would spend money on a ticket, carry dog pooh on your persons, and gladly give up your freedoms in order to exact revenge on someone you've never met for dogs you've never met?? That's kinda funny.......and sad :blush:
deluca67 Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 So wait, you would spend money on a ticket, carry dog pooh on your persons, and gladly give up your freedoms in order to exact revenge on someone you've never met for dogs you've never met?? That's kinda funny.......and sad :blush: Why would it matter that I met the dogs? The only thing that is "sad" is that people will be willing to forget the disgusting things he did to those poor defenseless dogs just because he can run fast and throw a football. Much like how Lynch can run over a women with his car and leave her for dead on the street and no one cares because he can run the football. The people that are "kinda funny" and "sad" are those that sellout their beliefs based upon rather or not the perpetrator is wearing their teams colors.
billsrcursed Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Why would it matter that I met the dogs? The only thing that is "sad" is that people will be willing to forget the disgusting things he did to those poor defenseless dogs just because he can run fast and throw a football. Much like how Lynch can run over a women with his car and leave her for dead on the street and no one cares because he can run the football. The people that are "kinda funny" and "sad" are those that sellout their beliefs based upon rather or not the perpetrator is wearing their teams colors. I certainly don't speak for everyone, but forgiving someone for something they did, for me, has nothing to do with their occupation. I just believe in people being allowed to make mistakes and being given a chance to overcome those mistakes. Believe it or not, good people make bad decisions. It's what they do with the consequences and thereafter that makes or breaks them. Throwing dog pooh at him does nothing for anyone, including the deceased dogs, so other than self-satisfaction, I can't comprehend how doing that would be productive.... I'm sure you'd never torture and kill dogs, but I'm afraid that doesn't make you or I better than him, we just make "different" mistakes, and I'm in no position to decide which mistakes are more severe than others, and frankly, it doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that once we stop giving people second chances, we're ALL in deep "dog pooh".
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