Guest Sloth Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 Yesterday, I saw Star Trek for the first time, and I was blown away! I thought Abrams did an incredible job of bringing TOS (the original series) back. The actors played oh so close to the originals. I loved how the movie was made for everyone to be entertained. I think the movie was even better for the fans of the Star Trek universe. There were certain events, lines, etc... in the movie that Star Trek fans knew about, such as Kirk "passing" the test that was supposed to be unpassable. What is most important is that Star Trek has been saved. W/ the change in the space/time continuum, Star Trek has been given a clean slate. Writers no longer have to worry about using material that has been used before. Everything we have watched and read over the years has not happened. Spock said it best at the end of the movie w/ line of "Thrusters ahead full." I feel Leonard Nimoy, Spock, was saying Star Trek is back and there is nothing to fear of it coming to an end. Nimoy played a huge role in the revival of Star Trek. And to think Nimoy didn't want a second Star Trek movie to be made in 1982...
Ohiofan Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 Jeez...I've been dying to see it! I have been so busy at work and at home I just have not had a spare minute. Everyone I talk to sez it's awesome....I just gotta get to the theatre :wallbash:
carpandean Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 I thought that, for the most part, the casting was great (I only wasn't convince by John Cho -- Harold in Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle -- as Sulu) and, in particular, Karl Urban did an amazing job as Bones. The story itself was OK, but I agree that the space/time continuum part opens the franchise back up to new movies. I liked this version of the crew so much that J.J. Abrams should definitely do more movies with them.
MattPie Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 What is most important is that Star Trek has been saved. W/ the change in the space/time continuum, Star Trek has been given a clean slate. Writers no longer have to worry about using material that has been used before. Everything we have watched and read over the years has not happened. Spock said it best at the end of the movie w/ line of "Thrusters ahead full." I feel Leonard Nimoy, Spock, was saying Star Trek is back and there is nothing to fear of it coming to an end. Nimoy played a huge role in the revival of Star Trek. Time travel and changing the continuum is a cop out, they could have replaced all the original characters with other people and it would have just as much in common with the original series. It struck me as, "I want to make a Star Trek movie, but I can't be bothered to make things fit *at all* with the existing story lines". I'm not a rabid star trek fan, but the writing just seemed lazy. Not a bad summer movie though, just ignore any supposed relationship with the existing Star Trek.
Guest Sloth Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 Time travel and changing the continuum is a cop out, they could have replaced all the original characters with other people and it would have just as much in common with the original series. It struck me as, "I want to make a Star Trek movie, but I can't be bothered to make things fit *at all* with the existing story lines". I'm not a rabid star trek fan, but the writing just seemed lazy. Not a bad summer movie though, just ignore any supposed relationship with the existing Star Trek. The Star Trek universe, prior to the change in the space/time continuum, was very complex. W/ all of the shows, movies, books, etc..., it'd be very difficult to continue the development of Star Trek movies. The research the writers would have to conduct would be enormous, and their work would still contradict something. I wouldn't say the change in the space/time continuum was a cop out. I view it more as a creative way to show the formation of the original crew, a link between the old Star Trek universe and the new Star Trek universe, a way to attract new fans, and to give the current Star Trek fans something to be excited about. All of us are now in a state of what will happen next. The main obstacle that still exist is the tension between the Federation and the Klingon empire. It'll be very interesting to see what direction Abrams, if he stays on, will take Star Trek.
shrader Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 I saw it yesterday and enjoyed it. The only thing I feel like mentioning right now though was that I like how Pine delivered one line in a Shatner-type way. I wish I could remember what it was, but he had a slight pause in one comment and it had me thinking Shatner.
Guest Sloth Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 The Star Trek universe, prior to the change in the space/time continuum, was very complex. W/ all of the shows, movies, books, etc..., it'd be very difficult to continue the development of Star Trek movies. The research the writers would have to conduct would be enormous, and their work would still contradict something. I wouldn't say the change in the space/time continuum was a cop out. I view it more as a creative way to show the formation of the original crew, a link between the old Star Trek universe and the new Star Trek universe, a way to attract new fans, and to give the current Star Trek fans something to be excited about. All of us are now in a state of what will happen next. The main obstacle that still exist is the tension between the Federation and the Klingon empire. It'll be very interesting to see what direction Abrams, if he stays on, will take Star Trek. I should've explained more about attracting new fans. W/ the change in the space/time continuum, a new Star Trek world has been created. If the writers produced a screenplay that stuck to the original Star Trek world, they would not have been able to gain new fans. The new watchers of Star Trek would've been scratching their heads wondering who is this and who is that. They would've lost interest after the first 15 minutes. Now, all the new fans need to know is what happened in "Star Trek." New fans won't be confused in the upcoming Star Trek films. They will have a good idea of who is who and what is what. A change had to be made, and I am glad a change was made.
TM8-PL16 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 i saw it yesterday and going in I pretty much knew nothing about the 'old' star trek universe/stories... so I would be classified as someone they (movie makers) were trying to attract and they did it! I enjoyed the movie and will see any future installments. now, I won't go crazy and buy any "star trek products", like i do Star Wars... but i'm in and enjoyed the movie and don't want to worry about all the stuff i don't know or don't care about from the past. I totally get why they did what they did, they wanted the old fans to have something to connect with and not throw their love away while still not taking anything away from or annoying the 'new' fans. Personally I would have liked it without the connection and the appearance of future Spock, but true fans probably wouldn't have so I get it and like it.
Guest Sloth Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 It is really cool to see so many people have the same idea of the new Star Trek. You defined it well TM8-PL16. As a side note, I, too, like the Star Wars movies. My wife hates Star Wars for a number of reasons. One of them being the number of items I have bought that are related to Star Wars. I have a Star Wars action figure set worth 1,100. That particular set is one I bought when I was 10. I'm really happy I held onto it. I'm also a HUGE card collector. I have two Wayne Gretzky tops rookie cards!
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 The whole space/time continuum thing freaks me out. Everything we knew and loved is gone and a whole new reality begins. Hmm maybe this is the feeling one gets with a new GM and direction?
Eleven Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 Something I like about this board... Look, I hate Star Trek. I've watched about half of a TV episode, and I'm sure that flashes of the various movies, replayed on cable, have hit my retinas before I could look away. It's horrible. But I don't mind a Star Trek thread on my Sabres board, as long as it's labeled as a Star Trek thread (which this is). If I don't want to read it, I don't have to. About a week and a half ago, someone had the temerity to put a Buffalo Bandits thread up on Two Bills Drive. It was very clearly labeled as such. From the reaction, you would have thought it was an epic poem praising bin Laden or something. Look, I care about the Bandits slightly more than I care about sci-fi movies, but again, it was pretty easy to avoid, had I wanted to avoid it. The TBD community, with only a couple of exceptions, really took the poor poster to task for trying to inform those who might care about a Bandits score. This board, which isn't that way, is better. No one is complaining (and I can't be the only one who hates Star Trek). So Trek away. May the Force be with you. (Yes, I know that's not from Star Trek.)
shrader Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 The whole space/time continuum thing freaks me out. Everything we knew and loved is gone and a whole new reality begins. Hmm maybe this is the feeling one gets with a new GM and direction? Look at it this way. In the future, Nero probably won't be around to go back in time, so then the original timeline will be restored. Yeah, I'm a nerd.
Guest Sloth Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 If the odds of Nero being around are slim, than that has to apply to all people, events, etc... Some things may happen again and others may not. A clean slate has been created, and it is going to be a lot of fun to watch the events unfold. I'll admit that I am a bit nerdy also. :D .
shrader Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 If the odds of Nero being around are slim, than that has to apply to all people, events, etc... Some things may happen again and others may not. A clean slate has been created, and it is going to be a lot of fun to watch the events unfold. I'll admit that I am a bit nerdy also. :D . Spock knows about Nero this time though. All of this time travel stuff now has me looking forward to Terminator next week, even though I hope there is no time travel in that one at all (except maybe at the end).
nobody Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 Spock knows about Nero this time though. All of this time travel stuff now has me looking forward to Terminator next week, even though I hope there is no time travel in that one at all (except maybe at the end). Hasn't every terminator movie (and the series) so far had time travel?
shrader Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 Hasn't every terminator movie (and the series) so far had time travel? Yeah, but since this one takes place in the future, hopefully they won't go there. The only thing that seems reasonable to me is someone being sent back in time towards the end of the movie.
Guest Sloth Posted May 20, 2009 Report Posted May 20, 2009 Spock knows about Nero this time though. All of this time travel stuff now has me looking forward to Terminator next week, even though I hope there is no time travel in that one at all (except maybe at the end). True, Spock does know about Nero, but he doesn't know about any other person or event that took place before the change in the space/time continuum. I still believe anything can happen. As for Terminator, I also hope there is not any type of time travel in the latest installment. They are making a new trilogy, so they should wait until the final movie to send somebody back in time, in my opinion. Actually, it would be best if John Connor found a way to save mankind w/ out sending anyone back in time. That would cause John Connor to never exist, though, because his father is Kyle Reese, a man sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor. I wonder how much James Cameron, creator of Terminator, likes the direction his story has taken.
MattPie Posted May 20, 2009 Report Posted May 20, 2009 I view it more as a creative way to show the formation of the original crew, a link between the old Star Trek universe and the new Star Trek universe, a way to attract new fans, and to give the current Star Trek fans something to be excited about. All of us are now in a state of what will happen next. So what you're saying is you'd OK if Bettman decided to increase the size of the nets and only allow 4 skaters on the ice. Additionally, when someone puts the puck into the net, the goalie and that goal-scorer face off in a Mixed-Martial Arts fight on ice to determine if the goal counts. As long as it brings in some new fans and keeps a link to the past to keep the hardcore fans excited, right? :) :) (Note: this post is a joke!)
Guest Sloth Posted May 20, 2009 Report Posted May 20, 2009 So what you're saying is you'd OK if Bettman decided to increase the size of the nets and only allow 4 skaters on the ice. Additionally, when someone puts the puck into the net, the goalie and that goal-scorer face off in a Mixed-Martial Arts fight on ice to determine if the goal counts. As long as it brings in some new fans and keeps a link to the past to keep the hardcore fans excited, right? :) :) (Note: this post is a joke!) :lol: That could increase the popularity of hockey across the U.S.!
shrader Posted May 20, 2009 Report Posted May 20, 2009 True, Spock does know about Nero, but he doesn't know about any other person or event that took place before the change in the space/time continuum. I still believe anything can happen. Continuing on the nerdiness: Kirk knows about the supernova though. He could tell Spock at some point. I think it's a safe bet that the supernova's going to happen regardless of the changes in the time line.
nobody Posted May 20, 2009 Report Posted May 20, 2009 Continuing on the nerdiness: Kirk knows about the supernova though. He could tell Spock at some point. I think it's a safe bet that the supernova's going to happen regardless of the changes in the time line. Spock Prime also probably will tell Young Spock. Then when Young Spock becomes Spock Prime and goes through the black hole back in time he will be prepared to save Vulcan and a new time line will begin again. :wacko:
nobody Posted May 20, 2009 Report Posted May 20, 2009 True, Spock does know about Nero, but he doesn't know about any other person or event that took place before the change in the space/time continuum. I still believe anything can happen. As for Terminator, I also hope there is not any type of time travel in the latest installment. They are making a new trilogy, so they should wait until the final movie to send somebody back in time, in my opinion. Actually, it would be best if John Connor found a way to save mankind w/ out sending anyone back in time. That would cause John Connor to never exist, though, because his father is Kyle Reese, a man sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor. I wonder how much James Cameron, creator of Terminator, likes the direction his story has taken. Of course in the Sarah Connor Chronicles; at the end John Connor goes forward in time to a point during the war into a timeline where John Connor is not the savior.
Guest Sloth Posted May 20, 2009 Report Posted May 20, 2009 Spock Prime also probably will tell Young Spock. Then when Young Spock becomes Spock Prime and goes through the black hole back in time he will be prepared to save Vulcan and a new time line will begin again. :wacko: Spock wouldn't have to do that. He could simply wax Nero after he is born. If Spock did that, Nero could never go back in time and destroy Vulcan. This would have no affect on the space/time continuum.
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