[OT] PETERS TO PHILADELPHIA

[Buffalo Fan]

I think this stinks...the 28th pick seems like a 3rd rounder to me.

[spndnchz]

Need this...

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/17/espn-re...eters-from-buf/

 

not that I care.

[LabattBlue]

I'd be more impressed if DR had found a way to trade Andrew Peters to the Flyers. :o

[Knightrider]

I'd be more impressed if DR had found a way to trade Andrew Peters to the Flyers. :o

 

That was the first thing I thought of...

[Buffalo Fan]

I'd be more impressed if DR had found a way to trade Andrew Peters to the Flyers. :o

 

For a first round pick even!

[Chief Enabler]

I'd be more impressed if DR had found a way to trade Andrew Peters to the Flyers. :o

DR wouldnt ship Butlers' nanny & landlord right now, get real.

[Two or less]

Just hearing this for the first time, since i'm still in poland, but this puts buffalo is a real bad position i think. i bet they will draft a OT with that 11th pick and then pettigrew with the pick they got from philly. leaving a huge void on defense still. if buffalo has something up its sleeve to improve the offensive line by getting someone and having some guys on their mind of later picks, and using the 11th on DE and 28th on pettigrew then it could all work out well. peters was a cancer and was lazy. so he isnt the biggest loss ever but i thought we could get more for him.

[nobody]

I'd be more impressed if DR had found a way to trade Andrew Peters to the Flyers. :o

 

 

If this thread was about that; it would still be [OT].

[deluca67]

Just hearing this for the first time, since i'm still in poland, but this puts buffalo is a real bad position i think. i bet they will draft a OT with that 11th pick and then pettigrew with the pick they got from philly. leaving a huge void on defense still. if buffalo has something up its sleeve to improve the offensive line by getting someone and having some guys on their mind of later picks, and using the 11th on DE and 28th on pettigrew then it could all work out well. peters was a cancer and was lazy. so he isnt the biggest loss ever but i thought we could get more for him.

Pettigrew? Are they building a football team or recasting 'OZ'?

 

The message is clear from the Bills. You can hit women, pull guns on you father, get caught with drugs and guns, get arrested outside a night club and run a women down with your car and the Bills will back you all the way. Try to ask Ralph for more money and they ship your ass out of Orchard Park asap. :wallbash:

[BetweenThePipes00]

Pettigrew? Are they building a football team or recasting 'OZ'?

 

The message is clear from the Bills. You can hit women, pull guns on you father, get caught with drugs and guns, get arrested outside a night club and run a women down with your car and the Bills will back you all the way. Try to ask Ralph for more money and they ship your ass out of Orchard Park asap. :wallbash:

Oh, but that's not true! If you are a nice guy and show up for practice in April and Maylike kelsay and Schobel, they WILL give you more money! You don't even have to play well during the season!

I feel worse about the Peters situation every day. Not because the trade itself was such a bad deal, and I don't like the fact that he let his contract status affect his play last season ... but I can't get over the fact that they should have taken care of him 14 months ago after his first Pro Bowl. I'm sorry, I can't let that go. And I do not understand why the Sabres get repeatedly CRUCIFIED in the media for letting Drury and Briere and Campbell go, and we get beat over the head with the whole "they could have kept them for less money if they had thought ahead" and yet NO ONE mentions that the Bills had a PRO BOWL LEFT TACKLE in a position where NO ONE ELSE could negotiate with him and they not only did not approach the guy with a fair deal, but when the guy asked for a fair deal they pissed him off and essentially sabotaged themselves last season. All he wanted was more than crappy Dockery was getting paid ... if the Bills had been proactive and went to him after he made the Pro Bowl and said "Hey, you are our best offensive lineman, we want to pay you that way" they could have gotten something done that would have been fair but not outrageous ... highest paid OL on the team, among the top LTs in the game, everyone is happy.He was not good last year, but I am willing to bet he bounces back to 2007 form after going through training camp and being in shape, and he could have been that way a year ago if the Bills had just done what any team serious about winning would have done. Instead, they tried to save money and sold it to the fans as Peters not being "committed to the team" ... whatever. It's an easy sell because most of the fans are always going to rail against a guy making $3 million a year holding out. But the NFL is a different world than we all live in, and the Bills refuse to live in that world. They thought Jason peters owed them something because they "discovered" him and therefore he should be loyal. Yeah, and what happens if Peters ends up like Kevin Everett? These guys have a few years to get their money, and the guy was an All-Pro in 2007. He should not have had to beg for a fair deal and he certainly should not have been the guy they chose to make an example of so that Russ Brandon could show he would not be pushed around. Some would say Bill Polian and John Butler got pushed around by Bruce Smith, but funny how that jerk always showed up on Sunday. Polian made an example of guys like John Hagy, not his all-pros.

With the salary cap in the NFL and NHL, the Bills and Sabres have every chance to compete and yet they can't because the guys running the team are not qualified to do so. Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon are MONEY GUYS who should just get out of the way. Same with Larry Quinn. But they all think they are football and hockey experts, and we are seeing the results. Quinn gives Connolly a new deal because he is buddies with his dad, and senile Ralph Wilson overrules scouts in the draft war room ... I am stunned these teams miss the playoffs. Stunned.

[deluca67]

Oh, but that's not true! If you are a nice guy and show up for practice in April and Maylike kelsay and Schobel, they WILL give you more money! You don't even have to play well during the season!

I feel worse about the Peters situation every day. Not because the trade itself was such a bad deal, and I don't like the fact that he let his contract status affect his play last season ... but I can't get over the fact that they should have taken care of him 14 months ago after his first Pro Bowl. I'm sorry, I can't let that go. And I do not understand why the Sabres get repeatedly CRUCIFIED in the media for letting Drury and Briere and Campbell go, and we get beat over the head with the whole "they could have kept them for less money if they had thought ahead" and yet NO ONE mentions that the Bills had a PRO BOWL LEFT TACKLE in a position where NO ONE ELSE could negotiate with him and they not only did not approach the guy with a fair deal, but when the guy asked for a fair deal they pissed him off and essentially sabotaged themselves last season. All he wanted was more than crappy Dockery was getting paid ... if the Bills had been proactive and went to him after he made the Pro Bowl and said "Hey, you are our best offensive lineman, we want to pay you that way" they could have gotten something done that would have been fair but not outrageous ... highest paid OL on the team, among the top LTs in the game, everyone is happy.He was not good last year, but I am willing to bet he bounces back to 2007 form after going through training camp and being in shape, and he could have been that way a year ago if the Bills had just done what any team serious about winning would have done. Instead, they tried to save money and sold it to the fans as Peters not being "committed to the team" ... whatever. It's an easy sell because most of the fans are always going to rail against a guy making $3 million a year holding out. But the NFL is a different world than we all live in, and the Bills refuse to live in that world. They thought Jason peters owed them something because they "discovered" him and therefore he should be loyal. Yeah, and what happens if Peters ends up like Kevin Everett? These guys have a few years to get their money, and the guy was an All-Pro in 2007. He should not have had to beg for a fair deal and he certainly should not have been the guy they chose to make an example of so that Russ Brandon could show he would not be pushed around. Some would say Bill Polian and John Butler got pushed around by Bruce Smith, but funny how that jerk always showed up on Sunday. Polian made an example of guys like John Hagy, not his all-pros.

With the salary cap in the NFL and NHL, the Bills and Sabres have every chance to compete and yet they can't because the guys running the team are not qualified to do so. Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon are MONEY GUYS who should just get out of the way. Same with Larry Quinn. But they all think they are football and hockey experts, and we are seeing the results. Quinn gives Connolly a new deal because he is buddies with his dad, and senile Ralph Wilson overrules scouts in the draft war room ... I am stunned these teams miss the playoffs. Stunned.

There is one major factor when it comes to the fans reaction to the Jason Peters situation. Peters held out right after signing a new contract. He was only one year into a multiple year deal. Besides that, you are 100% dead on.

[BetweenThePipes00]

There is one major factor when it comes to the fans reaction to the Jason Peters situation. Peters held out right after signing a new contract. He was only one year into a multiple year deal. Besides that, you are 100% dead on.

And that's fine, we as fans can go ahead and be pissed at Peters. But if you are the Bills, you pay the guy. The fans still bitch about what a jerk Bruce Smith was and he has been off the team for 10 years and retired for five ... but funny they haven't been to the playoffs since he left. It's the price of doing business in the NFL. Or, more accurately, it's the price of WINNING in the NFL.

[deluca67]

And that's fine, we as fans can go ahead and be pissed at Peters. But if you are the Bills, you pay the guy. The fans still bitch about what a jerk Bruce Smith was and he has been off the team for 10 years and retired for five ... but funny they haven't been to the playoffs since he left. It's the price of doing business in the NFL. Or, more accurately, it's the price of WINNING in the NFL.

They appear to be a team without direction. On one had they sign TO which makes you think they are going for the playoffs. On the other hand they dump Peters, they wont pay Jackson and there is a rumor Parrish may be dealt to the Steelers for a pick. This is what happens when a senile 90 year old is making all of the personnel decisions.

[That Aud Smell]

But if you are the Bills, you pay the guy.

damn straight. i mean, really.

 

the guy has shown that he's capable of being an elite left tackle. AN ELITE LEFT TACKLE.

 

to win in the nfl, you need to be prepared to pay just a small handful of players high-end/elite money: qb, blind-side OT, one DL (tackle or end), and one (*maybe* two) elite-ish game breakers (on either side of the ball).

 

the bills don't have the coin to pay high-end money at every one of those positions, but, damn it, peters was THE ONLY guy on the roster who can reasonably command that money. (fred jackson is evidence that marshawn ain't *all that* -- strikes me that mckelvin could be a guy like that.)

 

that 11.5 sack stat that was thrown at peters at his presser is a red herring. a guy over at the buffalo bills' board provides a careful analysis of peters' play in 2008 and comes up with 5.5 sacks -- with an improving trend and a god-awful dockery.

 

http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?t=127203

 

there is a rumor Parrish may be dealt to the Steelers for a pick. This is what happens when a senile 90 year old is making all of the personnel decisions.

the parrish move actually makes some sense, to me. the bills have evans as their #1 outside/burner guy, TO as the big target filling the role that hardy was supposed to fill, and josh reed doing the wes welker/wayne chrebet stuff. parrish won't crack the top 3, and is basically just a return specialist on a team with mcgee and mckelvin. the stillers are desperate for a return man. i think the bills are dealing from a position of strength.

[SwampD]

I'm glad Peters is gone. We were 3-1 without him in the line-up and it was his missed block in the Jets ga...blah, blah, blah. I'm glad Peters is gone

[jimiVbaby]

I'm glad Peters is gone. We were 3-1 without him in the line-up and it was his missed block in the Jets ga...blah, blah, blah. I'm glad Peters is gone

I'm sorry, but I'm not on board with making an average team worse. :thumbdown:

[SwampD]

I'm sorry, but I'm not on board with making an average team worse. :thumbdown:

How does only playing 12 games and not trying 100% because he's thinking of his contract(his words) make the Bills better. He's a little b!t@h. If he was crying about getting paper cups thrown at him in Buffalo, wait until they're throwing batteries at him in Philly.

 

I'll tell you one thing good though, I'm buying stock in Geno's Cheesesteaks.

[jimiVbaby]

How does only playing 12 games and not trying 100% because he's thinking of his contract(his words) make the Bills better. He's a little b!t@h. If he was crying about getting paper cups thrown at him in Buffalo, wait until they're throwing batteries at him in Philly.

 

I'll tell you one thing good though, I'm buying stock in Geno's Cheesesteaks.

LT make much more money than RT, and if you're Jason Peters you worked your a$$ off to be the best LT out there. You proved to be top 3 at your position, and you see two players at normally lesser paying positions get huge money that are lesser players than you. I'm sorry, but I'm asking for more money too. I don't think he's a little B as you put it, but as a man that was to capitalize on the work that he has put in. The lifespan (playing wise) isn't very long for a football player. If a player is top 3 at his position, pay the man.

[SwampD]

LT make much more money than RT, and if you're Jason Peters you worked your a$$ off to be the best LT out there. You proved to be top 3 at your position, and you see two players at normally lesser paying positions get huge money that are lesser players than you. I'm sorry, but I'm asking for more money too. I don't think he's a little B as you put it, but as a man that was to capitalize on the work that he has put in. The lifespan (playing wise) isn't very long for a football player. If a player is top 3 at his position, pay the man.

He signed his contract, not me. It may have been with an X but he signed it.

[jimiVbaby]

He signed his contract, not me. It may have been with an X but he signed it.

Say you take a job at NASA as an entry level employee, it can't be for much according to their standards right? Now imagine if you shoot up the ranks and are at the top level in say 2 years... Everyone around you is making 2 to 3 times more than you and you're lauded as being the best at your level. Times are tough and you're not getting what fair compensation for the job you do. You don't want more money? You don't put a case together saying I deserve more? I don't buy it. It happens all the time in business "Hey I do waaay more work than Bob, and he's making twice as much as me"...

 

The fact is, the Bills have the money and need a LT to protect Trent. You pay him, and feel lucky that you have a young, stud top of the heap LT for the rest of his career.

[Knightrider]

Say you take a job at NASA as an entry level employee, it can't be for much according to their standards right? Now imagine if you shoot up the ranks and are at the top level in say 2 years... Everyone around you is making 2 to 3 times more than you and you're lauded as being the best at your level. Times are tough and you're not getting what fair compensation for the job you do. You don't want more money? You don't put a case together saying I deserve more? I don't buy it. It happens all the time in business "Hey I do waaay more work than Bob, and he's making twice as much as me"...

 

The fact is, the Bills have the money and need a LT to protect Trent. You pay him, and feel lucky that you have a young, stud top of the heap LT for the rest of his career.

 

1. NASA employees don't sign individual contracts. If they're in a union, there is a good chance that their pay will have little to do with their performance.

2. NASA employees don't skip work for 6 months and get lauded for being the best at their level. They get fired, because, no matter how good they are, they're undependable.

 

While I think he could have made the Bills a better team, a very strong case can be made that because of his selfishness, Trent got hurt. Players had to play out of position for all of TC and the first four games and had to re-"gel" back in the usual positions.

[That Aud Smell]

I'll tell you one thing good though, I'm buying stock in Geno's Cheesesteaks.

nice. :lol:

 

 

Say you take a job at NASA as an entry level employee

The fact is, the Bills have the money and need a LT to protect Trent. You pay him, and feel lucky that you have a young, stud top of the heap LT for the rest of his career.

NASA may not have been the best analogy. Fact is, there may not be many analogous situations to the NFL labor market.

 

I grow a bit weary of people applying standards and principles from our everyday lives to what goes on in the NFL ("he signed the contract, not me" is, to me, a variation on the theme of expressing sticker shock at what these guys can make for playing a game). Pro football's a different world, and to insist that it be, or act as though it is, otherwise is a fool's game. The team locked Peters into a long-term deal in 2006 and made a bet on his continued development. Advantage, Bills. Peters continued his rapid development and had a dominant year in 2007. Advantage, Peters.

 

I note here that, after signing him to a long-term deal that banked on his development, the Bills could have cut Peters at any time with little downside. (I don't know what all of the terms of that 2006 deal were, but I recall that it was 5 years and $15MM. I can't see a serious cap implication from an amortized bonus there.) Naturally, Peters could not during that period of time opt out of his contract. (I ain't crying for the guy, that's what his "union" negotiated. Whatever.) I think, I guess, my point here is that the notion that the Bills should be "rewarded" for taking a smart, calculated risk on Peters is over-blown. There was no real downside for the Bills when they made that deal in 2006. There was plenty of downside for Peters. The guy earned that deal by beating out the Bust of the Century at RT and within weeks was a bargain at the price. Any competent FO would have known that if Peters were to continue to develop and blossom into a top-5 blind-side tackle, he wasn't going to play out that 2006 contract. No f***ing way that was going to happen. That may be repugnant to you and me, that may be enough to turn you off of pro football, but that's just a reality of the world in which those guys deal.

 

So, yeah, the fact that they weren't willing to bank the years they had him for $3M per, acknowledge that it was time for a new deal, pay the man at the market rate, and move on, is not a hopeful sign.

[SwampD]

nice. :lol:

NASA may not have been the best analogy. Fact is, there may not be many analogous situations to the NFL labor market.

 

I grow a bit weary of people applying standards and principles from our everyday lives to what goes on in the NFL ("he signed the contract, not me" is, to me, a variation on the theme of expressing sticker shock at what these guys can make for playing a game). Pro football's a different world, and to insist that it be, or act as though it is, otherwise is a fool's game. The team locked Peters into a long-term deal in 2006 and made a bet on his continued development. Advantage, Bills. Peters continued his rapid development and had a dominant year in 2007. Advantage, Peters.

 

I note here that, after signing him to a long-term deal that banked on his development, the Bills could have cut Peters at any time with little downside. (I don't know what all of the terms of that 2006 deal were, but I recall that it was 5 years and $15MM. I can't see a serious cap implication from an amortized bonus there.) Naturally, Peters could not during that period of time opt out of his contract. (I ain't crying for the guy, that's what his "union" negotiated. Whatever.) I think, I guess, my point here is that the notion that the Bills should be "rewarded" for taking a smart, calculated risk on Peters is over-blown. There was no real downside for the Bills when they made that deal in 2006. There was plenty of downside for Peters. The guy earned that deal by beating out the Bust of the Century at RT and within weeks was a bargain at the price. Any competent FO would have known that if Peters were to continue to develop and blossom into a top-5 blind-side tackle, he wasn't going to play out that 2006 contract. No f***ing way that was going to happen. That may be repugnant to you and me, that may be enough to turn you off of pro football, but that's just a reality of the world in which those guys deal.

 

So, yeah, the fact that they weren't willing to bank the years they had him for $3M per, acknowledge that it was time for a new deal, pay the man at the market rate, and move on, is not a hopeful sign.

While all this is true, the irony is that by only playing twelve games in a (self admitted)half-assed effort, at 3 mil. he was over-payed. He was NOT one of the top LT's last year. If he would have given the team a full effort this year, the FO would have seen his true worth and given him his money anyway. I don't believe he wanted to play in Buffalo regardless of money. I'm glad he's gone.

[frisky]

I'll take a late first round pick for Andrew Peters any day. DR would then be a genius or rip-off artist or both. This one got my hopes up but alas poof up in smoke.

[That Aud Smell]

I don't believe he wanted to play in Buffalo regardless of money. I'm glad he's gone.

this is also fair.

 

what i don't get is why a guy would insist on getting fat and happy on cheese steaks and having batteries thrown at him, when he could do the same with wings and paper drink cups.