carpandean Posted May 24, 2009 Report Posted May 24, 2009 Detroit is scary good. Without Datsyuk, Lidstrom or Draper in the lineup, they are leading 5-1 midway through the game on the road. If anyone can come back, it's Chicago, but that's just sick. Obviously, having Huet instead of Khabibulin doesn't help, but still ...
mrjsbu96 Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 There was never any possession of the puck on Havlat's part. He wasn't fair game. The only penalty you can possibly give is the one they did give! But it's only a fluke he didn't touch it. Redo the play 100 times and 99 times we're talking today about how the hit was perfectly legal. The problem (defined to me as another player knocked out cold) really isn't the rules, because you can't say a player in possession can't be checked. I guess you can tighten up charging. And penalize any blow to the head, including the chin, with ANY part of the checker's body, under any circumstance, even when the "victim" is short (Gerbe), clueless (Connolly) or just stupid (any olayers with his head down). The bigger problem to me is the strategic use of extreme violence and the love a lot of us have for it. These guys are big, fast and ruthless. The hit had little to do with checking an opponent and a lot to do with taking him out, maybe for good. And people tend to like it. I'd suggest that anyone who celebrates a sporting play where someone else ends up unconscious should reexamine his or her life. Seriously. Worst part of the play? The animals who skated in immediately after the hit, their skates poking at Havlat, practically stepping on the guy. Disgraceful. A lack of regard and respect? In hockey? Nah. Couple last points on this hit, b/c it has changed the flow of the series and that is how important it was.... - Most importantly, despite all we are debating, is Havlat's head was down....He is out of the series, IMO, mainly because his head was done. - Once again, the equipment worn by players today is armour...plain and simple, it is body armour. - I've watched this play a few more times and I understand the interference call, but Kronwall's intent was not malicous. He timed the hit perfectly and Havlat was trying to bring the puck up to his stick off the boards, and he just missed it and he got plowed over at the same time. - I was amazed at the lack of respect by all the players involved after Havlat got hit, starting with the dummy (I think it was Dustin By?@?@) who knocked Kronwall on top of Havlat....start the fight somewhere else boys, not on top of the injured player...
Guest Sloth Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 The Caps block certain area codes from purchasing tickets? Isn't that illegal?
carpandean Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Couple last points on this hit, b/c it has changed the flow of the series and that is how important it was.... - Most importantly, despite all we are debating, is Havlat's head was down....He is out of the series, IMO, mainly because his head was done. - Once again, the equipment worn by players today is armour...plain and simple, it is body armour. - I've watched this play a few more times and I understand the interference call, but Kronwall's intent was not malicous. He timed the hit perfectly and Havlat was trying to bring the puck up to his stick off the boards, and he just missed it and he got plowed over at the same time. - I was amazed at the lack of respect by all the players involved after Havlat got hit, starting with the dummy (I think it was Dustin By?@?@) who knocked Kronwall on top of Havlat....start the fight somewhere else boys, not on top of the injured player... I thought that Havlat was OK when he played 7 minutes in the first last night, but after two shifts in the third, he was done. That's not a good sign for him or the team. As for the disrespect, have you ever watched the Bertuzzi hit on Moore? So many guys piled on that people still give Todd a pass, stating that it was the guys falling on them that broke Moore's neck (a horse s**t line of reasoning, by the way.)
Stoner Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Couple last points on this hit, b/c it has changed the flow of the series and that is how important it was.... - Most importantly, despite all we are debating, is Havlat's head was down....He is out of the series, IMO, mainly because his head was done. - Once again, the equipment worn by players today is armour...plain and simple, it is body armour. - I've watched this play a few more times and I understand the interference call, but Kronwall's intent was not malicous. He timed the hit perfectly and Havlat was trying to bring the puck up to his stick off the boards, and he just missed it and he got plowed over at the same time. - I was amazed at the lack of respect by all the players involved after Havlat got hit, starting with the dummy (I think it was Dustin By?@?@) who knocked Kronwall on top of Havlat....start the fight somewhere else boys, not on top of the injured player... Who can say what his intent was? On a play in the offensive zone, is the intent to break up a scoring chance? To create one? It's more to create one, of course. Which makes it a good hockey play. However, I think it's common sense to say the hit was more about delivering a devastating blow, either physically to the player or emotionally to the game and series. Trying to take out one of your opponent's best players? Absolutely. That's hockey. Head down. Doesn't matter a wit to me.
Claude_Verret Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Well, it looks like the Carolina fans can't fill their building again, and it looks like they're unfortunately stuck with yet another set of bad visiting fans who can't behave. http://www.letsgocanes.com/forum/showthrea...0528&page=4 What a bunch of oversensitive babies. Yes indeed they are. Just as I predicted, there was a huge Pens fan turn out for a Saturday playoff game in Carolina and we end up with a repeat of the 2006 raping and pillaging scenario. It couldn't happen to a better bunch of bandwagoners. As far as the game on the ice goes, the Pens are just simply playing awesome hockey right now.
tulax Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Ah. My brain didn't find its way to San Jose. Was Soupy really singlehandedly responsible for three playoff losses? Well in Buffalo in 2006 he had the delay of game penalty in Carolina that cost us on a clear attempt late in a game (I believe in OT). When with the Sharks he had a costly tripping penalty in Dallas, again late in the game. Finally, in game 2 against the Red Wings he had a costly turnover when he lost control at the blueline and Detroit went to score and get the win in OT. Needless to say 3 plays by Campbell directly led to game winning goals by opposing teams.
darksabre Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Isn't that illegal? I feel like it should be.
SwampD Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 There was absolutely no head contact......none......sorry, I don't see Kromwall jumping in to the check and if Havlat's head just happens to be high enough where it hits Kromwalls shoulder pads so be it. As for PA's response, the only penalty I can possibly give there is Interference, if you want to debate that he did nto have complete possession yet. I"m not sure of your angle with the rule references, but if you begin to take away those hits, you take away the game. Havlat's head was done, pure and simple. Sorry, I was away for the weekend. So what you are saying is that Kromwell's shoulder did not hit Havlat's head, but rather Havlat's head hit Kromwell's shoulder. What good luck for Kromwell the Havlat(one of Chicago's best players in the playoffs) was dumb enough to try and hit him with his head.
Buffalo Wings Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Well in Buffalo in 2006 he had the delay of game penalty in Carolina that cost us on a clear attempt late in a game (I believe in OT). When with the Sharks he had a costly tripping penalty in Dallas, again late in the game. Finally, in game 2 against the Red Wings he had a costly turnover when he lost control at the blueline and Detroit went to score and get the win in OT. Needless to say 3 plays by Campbell directly led to game winning goals by opposing teams. That one was actually midway through the 3rd period that led to Carolina's go-ahead goal. He was also on the ice for Dallas' series-clinching goal against the Sharks last year and for Alfredsson's series winner in 2007. I don't really know if all of these correlate to anything, but Campbell certainly has had the tendency to be on the ice for series-clinching goals against his team.
Stoner Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Sorry, I was away for the weekend. So what you are saying is that Kromwell's shoulder did not hit Havlat's head, but rather Havlat's head hit Kromwell's shoulder. What good luck for Kromwell the Havlat(one of Chicago's best players in the playoffs) was dumb enough to try and hit him with his head. :worthy: Bill Clinton would love this reasoning. "I never touched that girl! She touched me!" Or a teenage boy. "I didn't have sex with her, I swear. We were naked and she tripped and fell on my penis. Twenty six times."
tulax Posted May 26, 2009 Report Posted May 26, 2009 That one was actually midway through the 3rd period that led to Carolina's go-ahead goal. He was also on the ice for Dallas' series-clinching goal against the Sharks last year and for Alfredsson's series winner in 2007. I don't really know if all of these correlate to anything, but Campbell certainly has had the tendency to be on the ice for series-clinching goals against his team. In the Dallas series last year in Game 6 during the 4th OT Campbell committed a tripping penalty and Brendan Morrow capitalized with the series ending goal while Soupy was in the box. Had to be depressing for the Sharks fans since he was supposed to be the piece to get them over the hump.
Claude_Verret Posted May 26, 2009 Report Posted May 26, 2009 Well, it looks like the Carolina fans can't fill their building again, and it looks like they're unfortunately stuck with yet another set of bad visiting fans who can't behave. http://www.letsgocanes.com/forum/showthrea...0528&page=4 What a bunch of oversensitive babies. After reading this thread a little more I have to say that I'm a little disappointed. There now seems to be a bit of debate if Pens fans are actually worse than Sabres fans. I guess the folks at the RBC will have to print up extra fan behavior cards to pass out when the Pens visit next year too. Either way, we have some work to do next year.... And this post sums up perfectly the mindset of the majority of Canes fans... When the Whalers moved here in 1997 and became the Hurricanes they became my team, my #1 team, my only team. That being said I have to disagree with your statement. Say Joe Shmoe fan is from Pittsburgh he's been a STH for years and lives and breathes Pens Hockey relocates to Raleigh. He loves hockey so he starts going to the Canes games and realizes he likes them and gets season tickets. But he's from Pittsburgh so he's still a Pens fan, but now he's also a Canes fan 78 games a season. Are you saying you would rather Joe Shmoe not root for the Canes at all and have one less Canes fan in the building for 39 home games? Let me put that another way, if I moved away from Raleigh to another NHL city I'd most likely become a fan of that team because I love hockey and they are my new local team. Are you saying that I shouldn't root for the Canes when they come to play my new local team? In other words it's perfectly acceptable to be a team swapping simply because you change zip codes. Twenty years ago this practice could possibly be acceptable, but in my opinion with the wide availability of the internet and center ice package you can follow your hometown team just as closely from Timbuktu as you can from West Seneca. If you can turn on and off your fandom that easily then you were never really a fan in the first place. This type of fan makes up the majority of the base around here and it sickens me. Let's go Pens tonight!
SwampD Posted May 26, 2009 Report Posted May 26, 2009 After reading this thread a little more I have to say that I'm a little disappointed. There now seems to be a bit of debate if Pens fans are actually worse than Sabres fans. I guess the folks at the RBC will have to print up extra fan behavior cards to pass out when the Pens visit next year too. Either way, we have some work to do next year.... And this post sums up perfectly the mindset of the majority of Canes fans... No wonder the South lost the war. In other words it's perfectly acceptable to be a team swapping simply because you change zip codes. Twenty years ago this practice could possibly be acceptable, but in my opinion with the wide availability of the internet and center ice package you can follow your hometown team just as closely from Timbuktu as you can from West Seneca. If you can turn on and off your fandom that easily then you were never really a fan in the first place. This type of fan makes up the majority of the base around here and it sickens me. Let's go Pens tonight! I actually go to and watch more Sabres' game now than when I lived in Buffalo.
darksabre Posted May 26, 2009 Report Posted May 26, 2009 So who wants to organize the Sabrespace Carolina Rape and Pillage Trip for 09-10? We have a reputation to uphold as the worst visiting fans in hockey. Everyone in the Suburban, let's perpetuate us some stereotypes! :chris:
Eleven Posted May 27, 2009 Author Report Posted May 27, 2009 No wonder the South lost the war. Something tells me the South will lose another one tonight. 3-1 Pens, and I don't foresee the Canes coming back. However, I do foresee several, if not all seventeen, Canes fans whining about the Pens' fans behavior.
darksabre Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 Canes are done, the flood gates are going to open in the 3rd. And Chicago will lose in a close one tomorrow.
TheMadCap Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 Not what I meant. The building was full. It was not filled by Canes fans--read the comments I linked to. So, basically, these tools can't fill their building, and then complain that the Penguin fans are chanting Cam Ward's name all night. More likely, people who moved there from shittsburg who normally have on red on for every other game, put back on the Yellow n' Black when the Pens come to town. There are Pit clowns everywhere, you should see them scurry out like cockaroaches to see the Steelers at the local pool hall. They are like Cowboys fans, they're everywhere. I think the displaced fan syndrome will eventually die out as more and more kids grow up watching hockey. If there is one southern team that's not going anywhere, it's the Hurricanes. It would be much more likely that someone like Nashville or Atlanta would move...
Eleven Posted May 27, 2009 Author Report Posted May 27, 2009 More likely, people who moved there from shittsburg who normally have on red on for every other game, put back on the Yellow n' Black when the Pens come to town. There are Pit clowns everywhere, you should see them scurry out like cockaroaches to see the Steelers at the local pool hall. This will eventually get weeded out as kids grow up watching hockey in NC... It can't be that different from 3 years ago. The Buffalo diaspora are strong in NC. But the Canes fans bitched about Sabres fans three years ago, just as they do about Pens fans now.
TheMadCap Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 It can't be that different from 3 years ago. The Buffalo diaspora are strong in NC. But the Canes fans bitched about Sabres fans three years ago, just as they do about Pens fans now. Yeah, it's definitely the exact same thing. There are so many northerners in NC, that it's actually quite uncommon to meet a native Carolinian. They don't call Cary the "Center of Activity for Relocated Yankees" for nuthin. I was at Game 3 on Saturday, my dad has partial season tickets, so I actually go to as many games as I can. It's something we do together since he's gettin up there, and we try to do things we like together. I couldn't make the 2006 ECF, but there is NO way that the Sabres fans could have been worse than some of those younger drunks that were acting the fool. That being said, there were lots of really nice Pens fans there too, but as always, a small proportion of jerkoffs ruin it for everyone...
FearTheReaper Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 I cant believe Pitt is in the finals again. I honestly dont feel that there team is all that great. They made some good deadline moves right when the team was coming around.Something the sabres didn't do. :wallbash: Thus they got hot heading into the playoffs and never looked back. I dont like the idea of Pitt vs. Det round 2. And its impending.
Kristian Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 I cant believe Pitt is in the finals again. I honestly dont feel that there team is all that great. They made some good deadline moves right when the team was coming around.Something the sabres didn't do. :wallbash: Thus they got hot heading into the playoffs and never looked back. I dont like the idea of Pitt vs. Det round 2. And its impending. They also made something I believe is called "replacing their coach"?? Whatever the heck that means. The fact that the brat pack told Quinn Ruff was their choice of coach, tells me he should've been walking. Does this mean Lindy's a bad coach? Not really, only that he's worn out his welcome with the team, and since Regier won't replace any of those guys? Well......... Anyway I disgress - Pitts knew they had the tools to do the job, with some slight tweaking. Buffalo needs a major overhaul to their pathetic roster to even have a chance. To boot, we can't even suck properly and harvest some high picks. We always end up 9-10th, which essentially the most meaningless place you can finish in a conference. Big difference IMHO. God, I hate Larry Quinn.......................!!
Buffalo Wings Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 I cant believe Pitt is in the finals again. I honestly dont feel that there team is all that great. They made some good deadline moves right when the team was coming around.Something the sabres didn't do. :wallbash: Thus they got hot heading into the playoffs and never looked back. I dont like the idea of Pitt vs. Det round 2. And its impending. No, they're not the best team in the league, but they got the benefit of the top 3 teams losing in the first & second rounds. I honestly figured the Devils would get to this point and if it wasn't for Jussi Jokinen interfering with Brodeur, they could have been there. Pitt vs Detroit was good for hockey last year....now it's just annoying.
TheMadCap Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 No, they're not the best team in the league, but they got the benefit of the top 3 teams losing in the first & second rounds. I honestly figured the Devils would get to this point and if it wasn't for Jussi Jokinen interfering with Brodeur, they could have been there. Pitt vs Detroit was good for hockey last year....now it's just annoying. Maybe so, but you have to play who you have to play, and Pittsburg has beaten some good teams to get to the finals. They completely shut down the Hurricanes who were playing some of the best hockey in the league up to that point. Pittsburg has the advantage of youth and speed on offense, and they play fantastic defense allowing very few prime scoring chances. Against the Hurricanes (I hate the shortened version "Canes", reminds me of Miami), the Pens were just too fast, and were clearly the quicker team, as evident by the nearly endless fast break opportunities in the transition game. Their guys are also very big and physical, and essentially, are everything the Sabres are not. I think thier big weakness is Fleury, I just don't think he's that good of a goalie at this point in his career. He's got a great defense in front of him, but it looks to me like he goes down a bit early and tends to snow angel. Even though it does take a bit of luck in goal to win the cup, he's seemingly had an unusual string of it, which could easily run out against a great offensive team like Detroit...
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