tom webster Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4061006
darksabre Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Sounds like he'd do a comparable coaching job to what Lindy has done here.
deluca67 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Over half the teams in the league would fire their standing coach if they thought they could land Lindy. Letting Lindy leave would be far more devastating than the letting go Briere, Drury, Campbell, Dumont, McKee, Griere and any other former Sabre combined. The only reason this team was not dead last in the league the past two seasons is Lindy Ruff. If you think Lindy likes having a team of pu$$ies that he somehow has to win games with then you haven't been paying attention and know nothing about Lindy Ruff. The problem is now and it always has been Regier. Until Regier is gone and the type of personnel that this teams looks for is drastically changed this team is going nowhere. If Regier is the GM next season I will predict now that this team will not make the playoffs. As a GM Regier does a good job of recognizing talent. The problem is he couldn't recognize heart, grit or toughness if it walked up and punched his life partner in the face.
stenbaro Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Over half the teams in the league would fire their standing coach if they thought they could land Lindy. Letting Lindy leave would be far more devastating than the letting go Briere, Drury, Campbell, Dumont, McKee, Griere and any other former Sabre combined. The only reason this team was not dead last in the league the past two seasons is Lindy Ruff. If you think Lindy likes having a team of pu$$ies that he somehow has to win games with then you haven't been paying attention and know nothing about Lindy Ruff. The problem is now and it always has been Regier. Until Regier is gone and the type of personnel that this teams looks for is drastically changed this team is going nowhere. If Regier is the GM next season I will predict now that this team will not make the playoffs. As a GM Regier does a good job of recognizing talent. The problem is he couldn't recognize heart, grit or toughness if it walked up and punched his life partner in the face. I guess not making the playoffs 6 out of the last 8 y rs has Lindy in elite coaching status
carpandean Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Tom Webster for Sabres GM. Why not, he was a good coach ... Tom Wesbster served as head coach for the Los Angeles Kings from 1989-92, leading the Kings to the playoffs in all three seasons in posting a 115-94-31 in 240 games. His .544 winning percentage is the best in Kings history. His best season came in 1990-91, where Webster finished as the runner-up for the Adams Trophy as the NHL's Coach of the Year in just his second full season as an NHL coach by leading the Kings to the Smythe Division title and the third-best record in the league in 1990-91 (46-24-10).
deluca67 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 I guess not making the playoffs 6 out of the last 8 y rs has Lindy in elite coaching status Look at the rosters? What coaches are doing more with less? Others teams get impact players at the deadline for the playoff push. Lindy gets Bob Corkum and Barrie Moore or what ever his name is.
Stoner Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 I guess not making the playoffs 6 out of the last 8 y rs has Lindy in elite coaching status 5/7 and would have been 6/9 had the Sabres not picked up a point in Washington on the final day of the regular season in 99-00.
Stoner Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4061006 Not to put words in your mouth, but is your subtle point that Lindy should not be fired because he might get another coaching job? Maybe not your point, but I think your subject line represents a lot of fans who feel that way. In a word, it's bizarre.
Stoner Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Over half the teams in the league would fire their standing coach if they thought they could land Lindy. Letting Lindy leave would be far more devastating than the letting go Briere, Drury, Campbell, Dumont, McKee, Griere and any other former Sabre combined. The only reason this team was not dead last in the league the past two seasons is Lindy Ruff. If you think Lindy likes having a team of pu$ies that he somehow has to win games with then you haven't been paying attention and know nothing about Lindy Ruff. The problem is now and it always has been Regier. Until Regier is gone and the type of personnel that this teams looks for is drastically changed this team is going nowhere. If Regier is the GM next season I will predict now that this team will not make the playoffs. As a GM Regier does a good job of recognizing talent. The problem is he couldn't recognize heart, grit or toughness if it walked up and punched his life partner in the face. Two problems. 1. I don't think Lindy thinks he has a team of pussies. After the mini brawl on Long Island, second game of the season I think, Lindy remarked how different this team was, how much more physical. He called it a defining moment for the team. Your big thing this season was the lack of response when Miller was run, especially after the Gomez hit. Does the coach get a pass? 2. Lindy must have some input into the kinds of players he gets. He's always seen around the draft table; he was shown sitting in front of a computer with LQ over his shoulder on a sabres.com feature about the trade deadline.
deluca67 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Two problems. 1. I don't think Lindy thinks he has a team of pussies. After the mini brawl on Long Island, second game of the season I think, Lindy remarked how different this team was, how much more physical. He called it a defining moment for the team. Your big thing this season was the lack of response when Miller was run, especially after the Gomez hit. Does the coach get a pass? 2. Lindy must have some input into the kinds of players he gets. He's always seen around the draft table; he was shown sitting in front of a computer with LQ over his shoulder on a sabres.com feature about the trade deadline. I think Lindy talks up this teams toughness as any coach would do. I'm sure Lindy has some input. I would rather he have the final say. Didn't Parcels say something about not complaining about dinner if he didn't buy the groceries. The problem is with Regier. If the Sabres part with Lindy it will be the most regrettable decision in franchise history.
joe w bags Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Says he is interested in another job, will not at all be surprising he will end up in Montreal.
darksabre Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Why not, he was a good coach ... Well shoot, what are we doing here? Someone get this guy on the phone! If he can take the Kings somewhere...
FogBat Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Says he is interested in another job, will not at all be surprising he will end up in Montreal. Does Lindy speak French? That is as essential attribute if you want to be a coach up there. The Francophones up there don't take too kindly to having an English-only coach up there - and vice versa.
FogBat Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 I think Lindy talks up this teams toughness as any coach would do. I'm sure Lindy has some input. I would rather he have the final say. Didn't Parcels say something about not complaining about dinner if he didn't buy the groceries. The problem is with Regier. If the Sabres part with Lindy it will be the most regrettable decision in franchise history. I agree. Keeping the Wizard of Oz will continue to be our Achilles' heel.
stenbaro Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Look at the rosters? What coaches are doing more with less? Others teams get impact players at the deadline for the playoff push. Lindy gets Bob Corkum and Barrie Moore or what ever his name is. I agree with that part but these 2 have had their chance..They have failed..Bring in another GM and let him make the decision..Lindy has his part in the failure of this team his decisions with line pairing, sitting his top scorer at the end of games when they need goals, the handling of his goaltending..If another gm wants him let it his be his descision Says he is interested in another job, will not at all be surprising he will end up in Montreal. Where did you hear this??
tom webster Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Posted April 12, 2009 Not to put words in your mouth, but is your subtle point that Lindy should not be fired because he might get another coaching job? Maybe not your point, but I think your subject line represents a lot of fans who feel that way. In a word, it's bizarre. FTR, I believe Ruff is a very good coach who is not without his deficiencies. While I do not think he is the problem, I also would have no problem with replacing him as long as that was not the only move. But I do believe he would be hired in a split second. I could think of 10 candidates that would excite me as coach. To me the real problem is the holy trinity (TG, LQ and DR) and as long as they are calling the shots I have no confidence that things will change. Also, a tidbit from the garage attendant. When asked if he heard the speculation that his name was being bandied about for GM, Rick Dudley replied no effing way. When asked to elaborate, he declined. No Deluca, I don't have a link!
tom webster Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Posted April 12, 2009 Not to put words in your mouth, but is your subtle point that Lindy should not be fired because he might get another coaching job? Maybe not your point, but I think your subject line represents a lot of fans who feel that way. In a word, it's bizarre. By the way, I don't think I have ever been accused of being "subtle."
nucci Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Does Lindy speak French? That is as essential attribute if you want to be a coach up there. The Francophones up there don't take too kindly to having an English-only coach up there - and vice versa. I think he meant Lemaire going to Montreal.
... Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 I agree. Keeping the Wizard of Oz will continue to be our Achilles' heel. I agree as well. Lindy has done quite a lot with a team full of pansies. I can't believe someone would think Lindy is okay with the line-up based strictly on his interviews - what do you want him to say "...these guys suck collectively. Can you believe this pile of crap I have to work with? Scotty Bowman couldn't do better." Then the same folks would be all over him for giving up on the team and tanking the season. :rolleyes: All you have to do is watch him during the games and the way he looks at the players on the bench. He can't stand this line up. I would guess that if he hasn't had the pull in creating the line-up as some people here like to think he does - that he will demand to have input (or more input) during this off-season. He could EASILY embarrass the entire organization by telling "the truth" during interviews if he feels his reputation is on the line.
joe w bags Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Lemaire There are many articles today, telling of Lemaire's impending departure from Minnesota and him alluding to still having desire to stay in game. His history in Montreal it would seem obvious he would at least consider and be considered in Montreal. I agree with that part but these 2 have had their chance..They have failed..Bring in another GM and let him make the decision..Lindy has his part in the failure of this team his decisions with line pairing, sitting his top scorer at the end of games when they need goals, the handling of his goaltending..If another gm wants him let it his be his descisionWhere did you hear this??
jimiVbaby Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 Lemaire There are many articles today, telling of Lemaire's impending departure from Minnesota and him alluding to still having desire to stay in game. His history in Montreal it would seem obvious he would at least consider and be considered in Montreal. Two things from this.. 1. If Lemaire did go to Montreal we can chalk up even more boring games to the Sabres' schedule. 2. Does Gaborik stay in Minnesota?
nfreeman Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 I think Lindy talks up this teams toughness as any coach would do. I'm sure Lindy has some input. I would rather he have the final say. Didn't Parcels say something about not complaining about dinner if he didn't buy the groceries. The problem is with Regier. If the Sabres part with Lindy it will be the most regrettable decision in franchise history. I'm willing to give Darcy one more year, largely because I think the bulk of the blame for the Sabres' demise lies with TG. I think TG was the one with the yips about committing $25MM+ on long-term contracts, and this was why we lost Drury, Briere and Soupy. Put those 3 back on the team, with consequential roster adjustments, and they are still an upper-echelon contender. However, I also think Darcy's been given a much freer hand, within the budget, since Soupy left, so this summer is his last shot. We need 2-3 real (ie not on the margins) changes to this roster. And I won't be willing to give him much leeway for budgetary constraints -- just about every contract on this roster is his doing. He knew how much cash he'd have to play with, and he decided to give Tallinder $3MM, Hecht $3.6MM and Pommer $5.25MM (not to mention losing Grier for no good reason, choosing Max over Dumont, etc.). It's his mess to clean up. Having said that, I wouldn't be terribly upset to see Darcy canned and Lindy moved up to GM. However, I would be pretty unhappy to see Darcy stay and Lindy get canned. My prediction: they both stay, Darcy makes a few mid-range moves (but no Bouwmeester or equivalent high-profile addition), and the Sabres make the playoffs in about the #6 or #7 slot next year. Oh well. There were some good moments this year, but in retrospect they were toast when Miller and Vanek got hurt. (Speaking of which, DeLuca was right when he said Gomez wouldn't have run Miller like that if the Sabres had vigorously gone after previous offenders.) I'm still a Sabres fan.
Patty16 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 I'm willing to give Darcy one more year, largely because I think the bulk of the blame for the Sabres' demise lies with TG. I think TG was the one with the yips about committing $25MM+ on long-term contracts, and this was why we lost Drury, Briere and Soupy. Put those 3 back on the team, with consequential roster adjustments, and they are still an upper-echelon contender. However, I also think Darcy's been given a much freer hand, within the budget, since Soupy left, so this summer is his last shot. We need 2-3 real (ie not on the margins) changes to this roster. And I won't be willing to give him much leeway for budgetary constraints -- just about every contract on this roster is his doing. He knew how much cash he'd have to play with, and he decided to give Tallinder $3MM, Hecht $3.6MM and Pommer $5.25MM (not to mention losing Grier for no good reason, choosing Max over Dumont, etc.). It's his mess to clean up. Having said that, I wouldn't be terribly upset to see Darcy canned and Lindy moved up to GM. However, I would be pretty unhappy to see Darcy stay and Lindy get canned. My prediction: they both stay, Darcy makes a few mid-range moves (but no Bouwmeester or equivalent high-profile addition), and the Sabres make the playoffs in about the #6 or #7 slot next year. Oh well. There were some good moments this year, but in retrospect they were toast when Miller and Vanek got hurt. (Speaking of which, DeLuca was right when he said Gomez wouldn't have run Miller like that if the Sabres had vigorously gone after previous offenders.) I'm still a Sabres fan. Well put. I think its IMPOSSIBLE from a fan's viewpoint to appropriately assess the blame. Do we KNOW what limitations were placed on DR by TG and LQ if any were ? did DR not make the right moves? Did Lindy F*ck it all up with poor coaching. DR and LR are well respected around the league, esp Lindy, i think he gets the smallest portion of the blame. I think the mgt and players need to really look in the mirror.
nobody Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 So this could lead to Mike Ramsey getting his first head coaching job. Or, even better for the Sabres, it could lead to Mike Ramsey coming back to Sabres! Of course it could lead to Mike Ramsey staying an assistant for the Wild and Lindy heading over there as head coach. :o
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