Eleven Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 It wasn't directly tied into the Moore deal, so, was it worth it, giving up the best shootout star in NHL history (ok, we know that's true yet still an exaggeration) for a second-round pick? For those who wanted a push for the Cup this year, maybe keeping him around would have been the move--as far as the roster spot goes, it's not like MacArthur would have hurt the team by sitting in the stands any more than he hurts the team by skating, right?
Taro T Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 It wasn't directly tied into the Moore deal, so, was it worth it, giving up the best shootout star in NHL history (ok, we know that's true yet still an exaggeration) for a second-round pick? For those who wanted a push for the Cup this year, maybe keeping him around would have been the move--as far as the roster spot goes, it's not like MacArthur would have hurt the team by sitting in the stands any more than he hurts the team by skating, right? It was a smart trade. The Moore deal doesn't happen without getting the draft pick for Ales. I'd expect that they will sign him this off-season for less than Ales would have cost and he brings some much needed depth to center. (I still think the Sabres need a veteran 2nd/3rd line quality center to supplement what is already there; but having Moore over Ales is an upgrade.) I'm not sure I follow your comment about "push(ing) for the Cup this year" as this team needed a LOT more than Moore to make a legitimate push to win it.
carpandean Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 Well, let's see ... we've had one SO loss since he's been gone and he was shooting about 60%, so there's about a 60% chance that trading him cost us 1 point and 40% that it cost us none. I'd take Moore winning faceoffs, killing penalties and putting in 100% every game versus that any day. Who knows, with Al in instead of Moore tonight, maybe we lose in regulation due to a late lazy penalty like he took last year when we had a two goal lead on the Canadiens and he gave the #1 PP unit in the NHL a second opportunity (in addition to the inevitable pulled goalie 6-on-5), leading to a loss.
billsrcursed Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 Well, let's see ... we've had one SO loss since he's been gone and he was shooting about 60%, so there's about a 60% chance that trading him cost us 1 point and 40% that it cost us none. I'd take Moore winning faceoffs, killing penalties and putting in 100% every game versus that any day. Who knows, with Al in instead of Moore tonight, maybe we lose in regulation due to a late lazy penalty like he took last year when we had a two goal lead on the Canadiens and he gave the #1 PP unit in the NHL a second opportunity (in addition to the inevitable pulled goalie 6-on-5), leading to a loss. QFT Some are going to argue that we should have held on to the 2nd round pick, but in fairness, the FO saw an opportunity to improve in 3 areas we desparately needed help with; faceoffs, ST, and Center depth. I applaud their attempts at making the team better NOW and giving us a shot at the playoffs. I agree with some others that, for the right price (and cheaper than Ales for sure) we should re-sign Moore. I like what he brings each night and his skill sets are better than most others on this team.
wjag Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 They are not getting killed on faceoffs game-in, game-out now. Last night they won three straight offensive zone faceoffs on the PP that lead to a PP goal. Add to that a decent two-way player, a ton of hustle and a PKer and I'd say they don't miss the one-timer.. And now they have a D-man who is perfect in shoot outs! 1-1 and a GWG..
Eleven Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Posted March 29, 2009 It was a smart trade. The Moore deal doesn't happen without getting the draft pick for Ales. I'd expect that they will sign him this off-season for less than Ales would have cost and he brings some much needed depth to center. (I still think the Sabres need a veteran 2nd/3rd line quality center to supplement what is already there; but having Moore over Ales is an upgrade.) I'm not sure I follow your comment about "push(ing) for the Cup this year" as this team needed a LOT more than Moore to make a legitimate push to win it. I forgot that the Sabres didn't already have that second round pick to trade...my whole premise was that the team could have both Kotalik and Moore, and would have given up the pick. Obviously not something that could have happened. Bad initial post on my part. Let's shut the thread down.
Chief Enabler Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 Well, let's see ... we've had one SO loss since he's been gone and he was shooting about 60%, so there's about a 60% chance that trading him cost us 1 point and 40% that it cost us none. I'd take Moore winning faceoffs, killing penalties and putting in 100% every game versus that any day. Who knows, with Al in instead of Moore tonight, maybe we lose in regulation due to a late lazy penalty like he took last year when we had a two goal lead on the Canadiens and he gave the #1 PP unit in the NHL a second opportunity (in addition to the inevitable pulled goalie 6-on-5), leading to a loss. Merely being devils advocate; since they have joined their respective teams: Moore 17 PIM :blink: , 1g 3a +2 Sabres 5-6 (PIM 86 on entire season) Kotalik 4 PIM, 4g 3a even Oilers 5-7 (PIM 32 on entire season) Just an update FWIW. I would be careful stereotyping guys with lazy penalties with these numbers presented.
bflobarry Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 Any trade that got Alice out of here is a good one. He is a one trick pony, and for his size, and salary, that wasn't enough. I only wish he'd have taken Chokin' Hochen w/ him. Hecht's lazy, undisciplined penalty last night gave the Habs a 5 on 3, which they used to take the lead in the third. I don't know what happened to this guy, but he is brutal right now.
Mbossy Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 http://www.edmontonsun.com/Sports/Oilers/2...923691-sun.html
carpandean Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 http://www.edmontonsun.com/Sports/Oilers/2...923691-sun.html "I came over here and everybody is expecting I'm going to score the goals and put up the points. Nobody realized that they didn't use me as a scorer in Buffalo. I'm kind of reborn here. They had me on the third line, I was playing with guys who've never scored more than 10 goals in a season. It's tough to hold up to your name as a scorer. Then I came here and I'm just trying to play honest hockey." That's because every time they put you on a scoring line, you'd spark for a game or two and then fizzle out again and again ... I guarantee that everybody wanted Al to become a great top-six power forward, but it wasn't happening. We all knew that he had the tools, but never put them together. Maybe, he's found a better fit in Edmonton that will keep him going. If so, great for him. I still don't question trading him away, though.
Chief Enabler Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 I guarantee that everybody wanted (insert a Sabre player name here) to become a great top-six power forward, but it wasn't happening. We all knew that he had the tools, but never put them together. Nice template :thumbsup:
james duncan Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 Good for Ales--sometimes a change of scenery is the best thing for a player. But we've seen him go on pretty good tears only to come crashing down to earth again. If you're considering the trade Kotalik for Moore and I'm the Sabres, I still make the trade 10 out of 10 times.
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