Ruff or Regier or Both??

[sabresnutinphoenix]

Like it or not, the Sabres must do something...nothing won't sell tix...

[nucci]

Yes, put him on waivers and if he is not picked up you can send him down to the minors as part of waivers. That's how the waiver rule works :thumbsup:

 

But, I don't think Hecht is the main problem. He's one of them. I don't think he's a second line player and should not be playing as one. He's a third line checking forward, and if given that role, I think he could play really well. Also, I think this year is more of first year in long term contractitis than Hecht being a bad player. It happens to a lot of players including Vanek. I think that is also the case with Pominville as well this year even though his contract doesn't kick in till next year. Put him on the third line with Goose and Pominville and get some scoring forwards to play with Roy on the second line and this team will have more talent.

I like your plan in theory but if you put Hecht, Gaustad, and Pominville on a 3rd line, that becomes a pretty expensive 3rd line. They all have big contracts and would not leave much money for the scoring forwards that we need.

[Stoner]

I agree with you about 95%, I wouldn't say Pomminstein is a quality forward this season, and Miller is better then just decent.

 

On a team with some slightly better talent, Ruff would have some stanley cups under his belt.

 

Here's an idea. Walk up to Lindy and kick him in the nads. I mean, you just did the online version of it. Again, it's damning with faint praise. Lindy, you're a great coach, but you can win it all only with a slam dunk roster. There aren't many of those. The Bolts, Canes and Ducks have won Cups recently with less than a slam dunk. Go look at the Hurricane roster in 06. If Ruff is so good, how come his coaching ability couldn't overcome talent that was just "slightly" less than necessary. I don't get it.

[Stoner]

Regier needs to go first, then give Lindy the year with a revised roster and if he can't do anything with it, he goes too.

 

Who are you going to find out there thats better then Ruff? Some players need to be moved, unfortunatly with Regier, that won't ahppen until the player is able to walk on their own.

 

Please stop. But that's funny.

[SabresFan526]

I like your plan in theory but if you put Hecht, Gaustad, and Pominville on a 3rd line, that becomes a pretty expensive 3rd line. They all have big contracts and would not leave much money for the scoring forwards that we need.

This is true. The only way to get two guys would be to get rid of Tallinder and Lydman, and at best that may only get you one guy, not two. I don't know if Gerbe, Kennedy, and Mancari are those guys yet either with the current salary structure for next year. I think the pieces are right if they can get someone to play the right and left side of Roy on the second line, but the contracts to Hecht and Pominville makes that prohibitively expensive.

[deluca67]

Please stop. But that's funny.

Look at all the retread coaches that got hired this year. There just isn't much available out on the coaching market. If you have any replacements in mind I'll be willing to listen. I can't get to the point were I want to see Ruff. I just keep looking at the roster and wonder how the Sabres are this close to the playoffs. This is a bottom third of the league roster. I blame that on Regier.

[nfreeman]

At this point, I'm more down on Darcy than I am on Lindy. I've been saying all year that this team lacks leadership and mental toughness, especially in the forward ranks, and that they weren't going to make the playoffs if this wasn't addressed. I can't believe Darcy didn't recognize this and do something -- anything! -- about it. I would've been happy with Shanahan, who didn't cost much. But I think Darcy (and me too, admittedly) was seduced by how well the Sabres played in January, and figured the team could get there on its own. Now I think we're about 2-3 games away from being totally cooked for the year.

 

If we think about firing Darcy, though, we have to remember that he built a great team that should've been a perennial cup contender and was betrayed, at a critical point in time for the franchise by TG's unwillingness to commit to longer-term, bigger contracts. That is what cost us Drury, Briere and Soupy -- probably 3 of the 5 best players on the team (the others being Vanek and Miller). Losing those 3 guys was like ripping the team's guts out. Yes, I know, none of them has been a top-10 player since leaving the Sabres, but most of the time FAs hurt their old teams by leaving more than they help their new teams by arriving.

 

OTOH, after having the rug pulled out from under him, Darcy hasn't exactly landed on his feet. He's made some good decisions, but plenty of lousy ones too -- and the net result is that we have a lot of underperforming, highly-paid guys (Pommer, Hecht, Tallinder) that no one is going to want at their current contracts and that are going to significantly restrict our ability to change the roster. And, I'll say it again, he hasn't brought in the blood-and-guts veterans (other than Rivet) that this group of mental midgets is dying for.

 

I doubt they will fire either of them. However, I also said that TO wouldn't come to Buffalo in a million years, so what do I know?

[Bmwolf21]

Here's an idea. Walk up to Lindy and kick him in the nads. I mean, you just did the online version of it. Again, it's damning with faint praise. Lindy, you're a great coach, but you can win it all only with a slam dunk roster. There aren't many of those. The Bolts, Canes and Ducks have won Cups recently with less than a slam dunk. Go look at the Hurricane roster in 06. If Ruff is so good, how come his coaching ability couldn't overcome talent that was just "slightly" less than necessary. I don't get it.

When has his team's talent been "slightly" less than necessary? This year? Pominville seems to developed "fat contractitis," Hecht has devolved into garbage, his D corps is dominated by soft turnover machines, and the FO came into the season making him rely on an injury-prone C for the second line and an enigmatic, injury-prone winger on offense. They do not have the horses anymore to run and gun, period. The Carolina ECF series, when they were decimated with injuries and still made it to Game 7?

 

I don't think anyone disagrees that Lindy deserves some of the blame for the last year and half, but let's not jump to the extreme and claim that a Jack Adams winner with 400+ wins under his belt in his short career can only win with a loaded roster.

Please stop. But that's funny.

I'd like to see someone answer the question. It's been posed several times over the last 12 hours or so. Who is out there that could take this group of overly comfortable, finesse, mentally fragile players and lead them to a Cup?

[Claude_Verret]

When they don't make the playoffs, which I think most everyone agrees is a highly likely scenario at this point, then both need to go. It's just time. I really like Ruff and would hate to say goodbye but we all know there isn't going to be an expensive roster overhaul. Therefore the major change of scenery for this franchise needs to be a new GM and coach.

[Kristian]

When they don't make the playoffs, which I think most everyone agrees is a highly likely scenario at this point, then both need to go. It's just time. I really like Ruff and would hate to say goodbye but we all know there isn't going to be an expensive roster overhaul. Therefore the major change of scenery for this franchise needs to be a new GM and coach.

 

Quinn needs to go first.

 

Not saying Darcy and Ruff aren't very close to deserving a nice fat kick in the backside, but getting rid of Larry the Moron is absolutely VITAL.

[Patty16]

people who ,know a lot more about coaching in the NHL and hockey agree that Ruff is one of the best in the biz. Who do you think can do more wiht this roster?

whos gonna make pominville not a ?

whos gonna light a fire under hecht autopilot autobahn ass?

whos gonna make dan paille ...wait he still plays?

 

I mean seriously, this is essentially the same roster that missed the playoffs last year. You can only spitshine a turd so much.

[darksabre]

When has his team's talent been "slightly" less than necessary? This year? Pominville seems to developed "fat contractitis," Hecht has devolved into garbage, his D corps is dominated by soft turnover machines, and the FO came into the season making him rely on an injury-prone C for the second line and an enigmatic, injury-prone winger on offense. They do not have the horses anymore to run and gun, period. The Carolina ECF series, when they were decimated with injuries and still made it to Game 7?

 

I don't think anyone disagrees that Lindy deserves some of the blame for the last year and half, but let's not jump to the extreme and claim that a Jack Adams winner with 400+ wins under his belt in his short career can only win with a loaded roster.

 

I'd like to see someone answer the question. It's been posed several times over the last 12 hours or so. Who is out there that could take this group of overly comfortable, finesse, mentally fragile players and lead them to a Cup?

 

What about Guy Carbonneau? He just got fired because his team actually doesn't have the talent to win. He always seemed like a good coach to me, so maybe he could pull it off with a team that has talent but no balls.

[deluca67]

What about Guy Carbonneau? He just got fired because his team actually doesn't have the talent to win. He always seemed like a good coach to me, so maybe he could pull it off with a team that has talent but no balls.

I could get behind a move like that. I wonder if Carbonneau would have enough say to effectively change the makeup of the team. This teams problems go well beyond X's and O's.

[Stoner]

When has his team's talent been "slightly" less than necessary? This year?

 

I was referring to apus' comment that with slightly better talent, Lindy would have had a couple of Cups.

 

I'd like to see someone answer the question. It's been posed several times over the last 12 hours or so. Who is out there that could take this group of overly comfortable, finesse, mentally fragile players and lead them to a Cup?

 

Straw man alert.

[carpandean]

injury-prone winger on offense.

You're not referring to Vanek, are you? :blink:

[SabresFan526]

What about Guy Carbonneau? He just got fired because his team actually doesn't have the talent to win. He always seemed like a good coach to me, so maybe he could pull it off with a team that has talent but no balls.

 

 

I could get behind a move like that. I wonder if Carbonneau would have enough say to effectively change the makeup of the team. This teams problems go well beyond X's and O's.

With regard to Carbonneau, personally, I would not think it would be a good hire. I'd really argue that Carbonneau had some really good talent and they totally underachieved as well as had a lot of injuries this year. You look at his teams and he has some excellent players in Kovalev, the Kostitsyns, Plekanec, Tanguay, Lang, etc. I like their blueline with Markov, Komisarek, and Gorges. The problem seems to be in goal as Carey Price is not really the guy. This year, they've been hit really hard by injuries, but it's certainly not for a lack of talent in my opinion. Given that, I'm not sure Carbonneau coached a team that was lacking talent, just underachieved and had a ton of injuries. This is just my opinion, but I don't see Carbonneau as the type of coach you'd want here.

 

If you are going to replace Lindy, which I'm not sure I think needs to happen, but if you were to do that, a fiery guy who's really firm and hold the players accountable like a Tortarella may be what this team of underachievers need. If you believe the talent is there with this team, then you can't have a player's coach as toughness, heart, and mentality is really what's the problem. Getting another player's coach will not solve the problem, in my opinion. Now, how many guys like Torts are out there? I have no idea. But until that guy comes around, I don't think firing Lindy is the right thing to do but getting guys who have mental toughness is needed which is a personnel issue in my opinion.

[Chief Enabler]

people who ,know a lot more about coaching in the NHL and hockey agree that Ruff is one of the best in the biz. Who do you think can do more wiht this roster?

whos gonna make pominville not a ?

whos gonna light a fire under hecht autopilot autobahn ass?

whos gonna make dan paille ...wait he still plays?

 

I mean seriously, this is essentially the same roster that missed the playoffs last year. You can only spitshine a turd so much.

The answer is, Lindy needs to go somewhere he is going to get the players upon his request.

 

Besides having his personal lifestyle intact. Meanwhile, he sucks it up and blames the players for not trying hard enough. The bottom line comes down to his goals; does he want to win the cup?

 

He needs to walk away.

[spndnchz]

The answer is, Lindy needs to go somewhere he is going to get the players upon his request.

 

Besides having his personal lifestyle intact. Meanwhile, he sucks it up and blames the players for not trying hard enough. The bottom line comes down to his goals; does he want to win the cup?

 

He needs to walk away.

IMO Lindy doesn't want to win the cup. He's taken us to finals and purposely loses, won trophies and had best coach awards because he always blames the players and never himself. He's only sticking around for a paycheck and because he loves press conferences. /sarcasm off.

[macsabre]

Quinn, Regier and Ruff seem to be inseperable. If Quinn goes so does the other two. I don't expect any changes in the office. The team has too many average players and the office makes the roster decisions. One thing for sure we will see a different roster next yr. UFA Most likely player gone, Nemminen, Spachek, Peters, Afiniginov. UFA maybe gone Ellis, and Moore. RFA signings; Stafford Sekera. Players that could leave and nobody knows, Paille, Macarther

[Mbossy]

Quinn, Regier and Ruff seem to be inseperable. If Quinn goes so does the other two. I don't expect any changes in the office. The team has too many average players and the office makes the roster decisions. One thing for sure we will see a different roster next yr. UFA Most likely player gone, Nemminen, Spachek, Peters, Afiniginov. UFA maybe gone Ellis, and Moore. RFA signings; Stafford Sekera. Players that could leave and nobody knows, Paille, Macarther

They all share the same high priced and can't afford her without them all buying in.

[Peter]

Neither.

[darksabre]

With regard to Carbonneau, personally, I would not think it would be a good hire. I'd really argue that Carbonneau had some really good talent and they totally underachieved as well as had a lot of injuries this year. You look at his teams and he has some excellent players in Kovalev, the Kostitsyns, Plekanec, Tanguay, Lang, etc. I like their blueline with Markov, Komisarek, and Gorges. The problem seems to be in goal as Carey Price is not really the guy. This year, they've been hit really hard by injuries, but it's certainly not for a lack of talent in my opinion. Given that, I'm not sure Carbonneau coached a team that was lacking talent, just underachieved and had a ton of injuries. This is just my opinion, but I don't see Carbonneau as the type of coach you'd want here.

 

If you are going to replace Lindy, which I'm not sure I think needs to happen, but if you were to do that, a fiery guy who's really firm and hold the players accountable like a Tortarella may be what this team of underachievers need. If you believe the talent is there with this team, then you can't have a player's coach as toughness, heart, and mentality is really what's the problem. Getting another player's coach will not solve the problem, in my opinion. Now, how many guys like Torts are out there? I have no idea. But until that guy comes around, I don't think firing Lindy is the right thing to do but getting guys who have mental toughness is needed which is a personnel issue in my opinion.

 

I agree with everything you've written here and everyone should read this and take note. This is exactly our situation. We need a coach who can really get a team going. I want a coach hitting players on the bench when they make stupid plays. I want a coach who bashes management when they don't come through. A Tortorella-esque coach would certainly make things interesting.

 

Maybe we could get Don Cherry. :D

[Bmwolf21]

Straw man alert.

It's not a straw man. Lindy's teams have made the playoffs in six of his ten seasons in Buffalo, he's gotten the Sabres to the ECF three times and into the Cup finals once. For the next coach to be more successful, he would have to win the Cup.

 

You're not referring to Vanek, are you? :blink:

No, actually going back a little further, to last year. I was referring to the Sabres the FO made in relying more on Max in the wake of Drury and Briere's departure.

[spndnchz]

Any GM that can turn Barnaby, Wilson, Sarich, Primeau, and Holzinger into Stu Barnes, Rhett Warrener, Ryan Miller, Danny Briere and Derek Roy can't be all that bad.

 

Gee, I wonder who made those draft picks, and hired that development staff in Rochester, and hired that coach who understood the rules changes?

 

You understand the GM's role, right?

 

By the way, under this GM the Sabres have made a Cup finals appearance, made four conference finals appearances, and set the franchise record for wins in back-to-back seasons. All this while the team filed for bankruptcy and changed owners.

 

I thought about just deleting this whole thread. However, I decided to leave it up as an example of what I consider home team trolling.

 

If you want to post this crap, post it elsewhere.

 

It's more of an example of the lack of analytical skills in today's society. Why think things through when you can rant like a lunatic?

Just sayin', some things never change... The boys need to get mad and play their best hockey. Losing is one thing, getting beat is another.

[carpandean]

No, actually going back a little further, to last year. I was referring to the Sabres the FO made in relying more on Max in the wake of Drury and Briere's departure.

Phew, that makes much more sense. :thumbsup: