Bmwolf21 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 From Bucky's article this morning: Sabres winger Ales Kotalik has not generated much discussion around the league. As one Western Conference executive said Monday: ?He leaves you longing for more.? He?s great in shootouts. Unfortunately, most teams know it?s the only time he?s within 5 feet of the net.
Swedesessed Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 What exactly is the problem with this move? They moved an underachieving forward - who is quickly turning into a one-trick pony - in a position of depth (winger) to get the second round pick that they used to fill a position of need (center depth). What's not to like? I understand what you mean...but how about getting some help for NOW for Kotalik instead of getting Darcy's obsession: 2nd round picks? I just feel like the Sabres do a little bit to help..but never enough...come deadline time
carpandean Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I understand what you mean...but how about getting some help for NOW for Kotalik instead of getting Darcy's obsession: 2nd round picks? I just feel like the Sabres do a little bit to help..but never enough...come deadline time He turned that pick right to Toronto for Dominic Moore, a decent center. http://forums.sabrespace.com/index.php?showtopic=14864
BetweenThePipes00 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I understand what you mean...but how about getting some help for NOW for Kotalik instead of getting Darcy's obsession: 2nd round picks? Who was offering "help for NOW" for him? Everyone agrees the guy is not good enough to help the Sabres make the playoffs, but yet you expect other teams to be lining up with valuable players to trade for him? You can't have it both ways. If Al and Max and Hecht and Tallinder and whoever else we bitch about suck, and we know they suck, odds are other teams know too. So they are not going to give up much. If you want to bitch that Darcy paid more for Moore than the Pens did for Guerin, OK I guess, but don't bitch that he should get more for guys we all agree are dead weight.
Swedesessed Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Who was offering "help for NOW" for him? Everyone agrees the guy is not good enough to help the Sabres make the playoffs, but yet you expect other teams to be lining up with valuable players to trade for him? You can't have it both ways. If Al and Max and Hecht and Tallinder and whoever else we bitch about suck, and we know they suck, odds are other teams know too. So they are not going to give up much. If you want to bitch that Darcy paid more for Moore than the Pens did for Guerin, OK I guess, but don't bitch that he should get more for guys we all agree are dead weight. A 2nd round pick is a decent price to pay for Ales Kotalik...so we are all in agreement there is no player we could have gotten to help for now instead of the pick...say, maybe a real enforcer...or more size etc? Nothing?
carpandean Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 A 2nd round pick is a decent price to pay for Ales Kotalik...so we are all in agreement there is no player we could have gotten to help for now instead of the pick...say, maybe a real enforcer...or more size etc? Nothing? Read my post.
thesportsbuff Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 help for NOW is Dominic Moore. you guys can all bitch and moan tomorrow, tonight im going to enjoy the fact that we had a pretty solid deadline day
nfreeman Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I never questioned Al's heart...only his head...he just never had a great mind for the game. Imagine if the guy had a knack for getting open (he doesn't)...or could read rebounds near the net (he can't)... I wish him well. Nicely said, and I do as well. However, I also think that he doesn't play with enough intensity, and that this is pretty close to not having enough heart. What exactly is the problem with this move? They moved an underachieving forward - who is quickly turning into a one-trick pony - in a position of depth (winger) to get the second round pick that they used to fill a position of need (center depth). What's not to like? Correct. Good call. From Bucky's article this morning: Sabres winger Ales Kotalik has not generated much discussion around the league. As one Western Conference executive said Monday: ?He leaves you longing for more.? He?s great in shootouts. Unfortunately, most teams know it?s the only time he?s within 5 feet of the net. Bucky hasn't exactly covered himself in glory today, eh?
Swedesessed Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 help for NOW is Dominic Moore. you guys can all bitch and moan tomorrow, tonight im going to enjoy the fact that we had a pretty solid deadline day Great. Can't wait to see them miss the playoffs by 3 points :wallbash:
SDS Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Bucky hasn't exactly covered himself in glory today, eh? he's covered in something...
FogBat Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 What exactly is the problem with this move? They moved an underachieving forward - who is quickly turning into a one-trick pony - in a position of depth (winger) to get the second round pick that they used to fill a position of need (center depth). What's not to like? That's an understatement. I'm sorry, but being a shootout specialist is nowhere near as useful as being a designated hitter in baseball - and that's not saying much.
Campy Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Great. Can't wait to see them miss the playoffs by 3 points :wallbash: That's the spirit!
LabattBlue Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Unless they are going to make a run at signing Moore(I don't think they will have the money in the offseason), I would have stopped at Kotalik for the 2nd and called it a day.
darksabre Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I dunno, considering how many players we can let go to free agency when the year is out, I think we could manage it if Moore turns out to be worth having.
spndnchz Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Posted March 4, 2009 I dunno, considering how many players we can let go to free agency when the year is out, I think we could manage it if Moore turns out to be worth having. At the very least I think Darcy added a player he may have a decent chance at signing at 2-3 million. And we get to try him out first. FWIW, IMO none of us really thought of keeping Kotes next year eh?
LabattBlue Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I dunno, considering how many players we can let go to free agency when the year is out, I think we could manage it if Moore turns out to be worth having. Pominville, Miller and Connolly's new contracts are going to chew up a huge chunk of cash. Plus you have Sekera & Stafford to deal with. The contracts going away are Spacek, Kotalik, Max & Teppo(approx 10 mil). Unless they find a way to trade Hecht and Tallinder in the off-season, I don't know if there is room to re-sign Moore. Did I just read somewhere that he was looking at 2.5 - 3.0 mil in FA?
darksabre Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Pominville, Miller and Connolly's new contracts are going to chew up a huge chunk of cash. Plus you have Sekera & Stafford to deal with. The contracts going away are Spacek, Kotalik, Max & Teppo(approx 10 mil). Unless they find a way to trade Hecht and Tallinder in the off-season, I don't know if there is room to re-sign Moore. Did I just read somewhere that he was looking at 2.5 - 3.0 mil in FA? I would like to think we'll definitely be trying to shop Hecht and Tallinder in the off-season.
nfreeman Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I dunno, considering how many players we can let go to free agency when the year is out, I think we could manage it if Moore turns out to be worth having. This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a numerical question that has been analyzed repeatedly on this board. Bottom line is unless we unload some real salary (i.e. Tallinder, Hecht and maybe Pommer), IN ADDITION TO the departing UFAs, there is NFW we are keeping him.
FogBat Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Unless they are going to make a run at signing Moore(I don't think they will have the money in the offseason), I would have stopped at Kotalik for the 2nd and called it a day. To make things more interesting, word's getting around that the league may actually reduce the salary cap in a year or two for obvious reasons. So, with all of the hockey talking heads out there discussing the dire situation of both the US and Canadian economies, GMs supposedly have to find a way to meet the cap while keeping players happy. I know that is overstating the obvious in that last sentence, but that is the world we live in right now.
LabattBlue Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a numerical question that has been analyzed repeatedly on this board. Bottom line is unless we unload some real salary (i.e. Tallinder, Hecht and maybe Pommer), IN ADDITION TO the departing UFAs, there is NFW we are keeping him. Thank you!
stenbaro Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Pominville, Miller and Connolly's new contracts are going to chew up a huge chunk of cash. Plus you have Sekera & Stafford to deal with. The contracts going away are Spacek, Kotalik, Max & Teppo(approx 10 mil). Unless they find a way to trade Hecht and Tallinder in the off-season, I don't know if there is room to re-sign Moore. Did I just read somewhere that he was looking at 2.5 - 3.0 mil in FA? After letting the day stew in my head for awhile I still cant believe the players that were had for such low prices...And then I look at what we recieved and what we gave up and it boggles my mind even more..Granted the Sabres had a solid day and they addressed a couple of needs and they did ok..But they coulda had a GREAT day...Guerin and Jokinen were absolutley given away..I would even have to say that the Rangers did pretty good in getting Morris..All three could have easily been dealt here and we had more than enough to get them which is surprising to me..The lack of foresight and determination to put the best team out on the ice has me irritated to say the least.. :wallbash:
shrader Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 They just brought up a good point on TSN. That potential Kotalik-Souray powerplay point combo in Edmonton could be very scary (in terms of SHGs too).
FogBat Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a numerical question that has been analyzed repeatedly on this board. Bottom line is unless we unload some real salary (i.e. Tallinder, Hecht and maybe Pommer), IN ADDITION TO the departing UFAs, there is NFW we are keeping him. I'm not doubting what you're saying. The whole rental player situation stinks IMO given the salary cap era we live in. However, if you get a bunch of people who question you about this and Moore actually skips town after the season is done, they'll be loathe to hear from you, "I told you so."
Skibum Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Bucky hasn't exactly covered himself in glory today, eh? Bucky is a tool. Further proof today that his column is best used for house training puppies. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and I doubt anyone important to the Sabres would ever give that guy any real information after all the years he's been the team's biggest hater.
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