apushms Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 As per TSN ... Sabres and Connolly's agent making progress toward new contract. Just thought everyone might be interested. link http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=...topRelated_main
jwcolour Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Kinda what I thought we'd be doing since he got back... even if he has cooled off. The upside/talent is there, he helps when he plays... he just has to play.
rclcryan Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 About as interesting as it is expected. The higherups like Connolly more than I do... Then again I'm not a huge max fan either... Gah, do I like the Sabres?
deluca67 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 If the Sabres extend Connolly and he gets injured again Regier should be fired that same day. As they help Connolly off the ice they should be escorting Regier from the arena.
VansTheMans Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Hoping they sign him to a one year extension...let's see what he can do with a full season. If he gets injured again, at least he only sits in IR for one season. If he stays healthy, he'll be a vital part of the team. Fact is, until the Sabres acquire more skill and greater depth at center, they cant really afford to lose TC.
Kristian Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 If the Sabres extend Connolly and he gets injured again Regier should be fired that same day. As they help Connolly off the ice they should be escorting Regier from the arena. I'm hoping that extension is just a condition from whatever team we're looking to deal him to. As everyone else, I like Timmy when healthy, but every game he plays is like winning the lottery.
deluca67 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I'm hoping that extension is just a condition from whatever team we're looking to deal him to. As everyone else, I like Timmy when healthy, but every game he plays is like winning the lottery. I like Timmy when he is healthy also. I also like Max when his head is on straight. The problem is they both occur with the same frequency.
Two or less Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I like it. Connolly has world class talent. It's worth the risk. Hopefully he won't get over $4 million per season and i hope it's 3 or less years. But i have no problem giving this guy that kind of money. He's a star when healthy.
shrader Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 If the Sabres extend Connolly and he gets injured again Regier should be fired that same day. As they help Connolly off the ice they should be escorting Regier from the arena. The interesting thing will be whether or not this one can be insured at all.
Kristian Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I like it. Connolly has world class talent. It's worth the risk. Hopefully he won't get over $4 million per season and i hope it's 3 or less years. But i have no problem giving this guy that kind of money. He's a star when healthy. Worth the risk if you consider him a "bonus player", as in everything you get from him is a bonus. Not worth the risk if you counting on him to be a regular contributor, seeing as the odds on him staying healthy are bad. Gambling with team payroll is not something a responsible GM should be doing, especially not a GM of a team that's not a free spender.
darksabre Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Talking about resigning Connolly is this team's first step towards not doing anything significant at the deadline.
Two or less Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Worth the risk if you consider him a "bonus player", as in everything you get from him is a bonus. Not worth the risk if you counting on him to be a regular contributor, seeing as the odds on him staying healthy are bad. Gambling with team payroll is not something a responsible GM should be doing, especially not a GM of a team that's not a free spender. If he signs for $4 million, based on stats when he is healthy, that is a discount rate. When he plays, he's arguably our best player. I'd even put him ahead of Thomas Vanek. Connolly is a genius with the puck. He helps our team so much I just don't see why people want him to leave so badly. When he sucked early in his career in Buffalo, he was the ironman and couldn't miss a game for anything, now that he's great, he gets injured. Hopefully he remains healthy for majority of every season he plays. It's a risk i am willing to take. Let's not kid ourselves, if he gets traded tomorrow, and scores 80 points in like 79 games next season with who ever, everyone on this board will be out after Darcy for letting go a "star". Don't tell me people wouldn't...
carpandean Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 If he signs for $4 million, based on stats when he is healthy, that is a discount rate. When he plays, he's arguably our best player. I'd even put him ahead of Thomas Vanek. Connolly is a genius with the puck. He helps our team so much I just don't see why people want him to leave so badly. When he sucked early in his career in Buffalo, he was the ironman and couldn't miss a game for anything, now that he's great, he gets injured. Hopefully he remains healthy for majority of every season he plays. It's a risk i am willing to take. Let's not kid ourselves, if he gets traded tomorrow, and scores 80 points in like 79 games next season with who ever, everyone on this board will be out after Darcy for letting go a "star". Don't tell me people wouldn't... I have stated many times that the worst thing that could happen is not that we trade Timmy (or let him walk) and he ends up staying healthy and producing. The worst thing that can happen is that we sign him to any serious money/time ($4 million per for 3 years is serious enough in both) and then gets injured again. How much would you say that he's been worth for the past three seasons? If he's on the roster, but out hurt, he not only isn't contributing, but he's also preventing the Sabres from putting the money that he's earning toward someone who will be on the ice (at least with a much higher likelihood.) Re-signing him is a big gamble and one that has already burned them several times. So, for the record, if he gets traded and goes on to stay health and produce, I promise that I will not be bad-mouthing Darcy for his decision.
samothyev Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 As stated many times here already when "The Skill" is on the ice he makes our team a hell of a lot better. All I can think of regarding this whole issue is insanity - doing the same things over and over expecting different results. Looking at that sounds like this could be applied everywhere on this team...
Patty16 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 The interesting thing will be whether or not this one can be insured at all. yes, the question is whether they are willing ot pay the premiums. You can always get insurance.
Bmwolf21 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 If he signs for $4 million, based on stats when he is healthy, that is a discount rate. When he plays, he's arguably our best player. I'd even put him ahead of Thomas Vanek. Connolly is a genius with the puck. He helps our team so much I just don't see why people want him to leave so badly. When he sucked early in his career in Buffalo, he was the ironman and couldn't miss a game for anything, now that he's great, he gets injured. Hopefully he remains healthy for majority of every season he plays. It's a risk i am willing to take. Let's not kid ourselves, if he gets traded tomorrow, and scores 80 points in like 79 games next season with who ever, everyone on this board will be out after Darcy for letting go a "star". Don't tell me people wouldn't... While I don't agree that he's more valuable than Vanek, and I think there is a lot of hype around Connolly's game -- considering how his legend grew in both his absence and the loss of Drury and Briere, and the failed experiment to make Hecht into the no.2 center -- there is a lot to like about his game when he's playing well and healthy. The problem is we haven't seen enough of either in his entire Sabres tenure to throw another big contract at him. Either way the Connolly situation is a huge gamble. For me, another $12M for this guy is throwing money down a rat hole. Giving him a big contract feels like spending half your paycheck on lottery tickets - sure, it might turn out great, but the odds are against it. It's a risk I believe we cannot afford to take, not in today's salary cap/economic era. I'll join carp on the record right now as saying I will not bash the Sabres or Regier for letting him go and watching him put up a point per game next year. (Partly because I don't think he's a point per game player.)
Kristian Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 While I don't agree that he's more valuable than Vanek, and I think there is a lot of hype around Connolly's game -- considering how his legend grew in both his absence and the loss of Drury and Briere, and the failed experiment to make Hecht into the no.2 center -- there is a lot to like about his game when he's playing well and healthy. The problem is we haven't seen enough of either in his entire Sabres tenure to throw another big contract at him. Either way the Connolly situation is a huge gamble. For me, another $12M for this guy is throwing money down a rat hole. Giving him a big contract feels like spending half your paycheck on lottery tickets - sure, it might turn out great, but the odds are against it. It's a risk I believe we cannot afford to take, not in today's salary cap/economic era. I'll join carp on the record right now as saying I will not bash the Sabres or Regier for letting him go and watching him put up a point per game next year. (Partly because I don't think he's a point per game player.) Agree, anything even remotely over 1.5 is crazy, and if he can get more elsewhere, so be it.
Kristian Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 If he signs for $4 million, based on stats when he is healthy, that is a discount rate. When he plays, he's arguably our best player. I'd even put him ahead of Thomas Vanek. Connolly is a genius with the puck. He helps our team so much I just don't see why people want him to leave so badly. When he sucked early in his career in Buffalo, he was the ironman and couldn't miss a game for anything, now that he's great, he gets injured. Hopefully he remains healthy for majority of every season he plays. It's a risk i am willing to take. Let's not kid ourselves, if he gets traded tomorrow, and scores 80 points in like 79 games next season with who ever, everyone on this board will be out after Darcy for letting go a "star". Don't tell me people wouldn't... But you can't make business decisions based on half-truths, which is what this is. Why on earth would we offer him a contract based solely on his stats when healthy, when he's only played 142 games in his last four seasons, not counting playoffs? That's less than 50% of the games the Sabres have played since the lockout (142 games out of 309 regular season total). Like it or not, this is something you absolutely need to take into account if you're a GM. As fans, we don't have to worry about things like that, but the organisation needs to deal with reality, and reality is that Connolly has missed more than 50% of all regular season games the past 4 seasons. You cannot pay a player than kind of money if he doesn't play more than that, especially if you're a team with a self-imposed cap. Like someone else mentioned, it's not just that Connolly doesn't play when he's out, is that he's eating from our wage budget regardless if he plays or not, and herein lies the real problem. Everytime he goes down, we get hit twice. First by losing his skills, and then by losing the payroll he consumes.
inkman Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 It's a risk i am willing to take. Even if signing Connolly would prevent them from going out and getting an actual healthy full time #1 or #2 scoring center? Having 4+ million dollars sitting on the cap while your "best" player is injured for 50 games a year is a tough pill for me to swallow.
VansTheMans Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I'd be against any long term contract with TC, for anything over 3 million a season. He isn't worth that risk. If he agreed to a one year contract extension, I'd be willing to throw a bit of money at him. After all, it'd only be a one year contract, so if he gets injured and misses the season at least we know he walks when its all said and done. Plus, we could put him in IR and his salary wouldn't affect the team.
deluca67 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Even if signing Connolly would prevent them from going out and getting an actual healthy full time #1 or #2 scoring center? Having 4+ million dollars sitting on the cap while your "best" player is injured for 50 games a year is a tough pill for me to swallow. Exactly. It's not like the Sabres would eat the contract and spend more money to replace him. When he gets injured again his money is going to sit on the cap like a albatross. Like it has for the past three seasons.
LabattBlue Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I like it. Connolly has world class talent. It's worth the risk. Hopefully he won't get over $4 million per season and i hope it's 3 or less years. But i have no problem giving this guy that kind of money. He's a star when healthy. Coming off this 3 year period of fragileness, Connolly should not be getting more than 3 per year and for no more than a two year contract. IF DR commits to any more than this, he is off his rocker.
LabattBlue Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Let's not kid ourselves, if he gets traded tomorrow, and scores 80 points in like 79 games next season with who ever, everyone on this board will be out after Darcy for letting go a "star". Don't tell me people wouldn't... Most sensible hockey fans would not begrudge DR for letting Connolly walk if his contract demands are outrageous. ;)
X. Benedict Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 If the Sabres extend Connolly and he gets injured again Regier should be fired that same day. As they help Connolly off the ice they should be escorting Regier from the arena. Why? If his contract can be insured unlike last one, he might come in at a nice price.
Bmwolf21 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I'd be against any long term contract with TC, for anything over 3 million a season. He isn't worth that risk. If he agreed to a one year contract extension, I'd be willing to throw a bit of money at him. After all, it'd only be a one year contract, so if he gets injured and misses the season at least we know he walks when its all said and done. Plus, we could put him in IR and his salary wouldn't affect the team. I'd like to see a little give from Connolly's camp, considering he got $9M for damn near nothing over the last three years. I know, wishful thinking, but I'd like to see him sign a one-year deal and prove that he can stay healthy for an entire season (for the first time since 02-03) before committing to him long-term. Never gonna happen, but it would make me (and a lot of fans) feel a lot better. But I suspect that Darcy and LQ have fallen in love with Timmy's skills all over again, and are preparing to throw some money at him that will make Hecht look like a bargain. Why? If his contract can be insured unlike last one, he might come in at a nice price. Why would they suddenly be able to find insurance at a reasonable rate? It's not like he's played this whole year without incident, or played the majority of any season of his current contract.
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