GAME DISCUSSION THREAD

[billsrcursed]

Kaleta went for the kill shot. Which he does often. He also takes himself out of position which I can live with. I am also glad he is one of the few players on this roster that likes to hit. He just needs to learn to pick his shots better and remember he has a rep around the league. We can argue back and forth if it was charging or not. I think it was close enough that is another player had made the same hit it may have not been called.

 

 

I agree that it COULD be called charging, but the hit was clean. The rule itself should be, at the least, modified to be more specific. I just disagree that this particular hit was unnecessary or that it wasn't the right time to "pick his shot". I actually thought it was the exact right moment AND the right guy. You're right, though, in regards to some of his attempts at hits taking him out of position. For what he brings, though, I think Kaleta is one of our better players. Not the most skilled, but he plays his role better than most others on the team, and if nothing else, is actually one of the very few guys whose exciting to watch.

 

BTW, not arguing, just interested in hearing more on your take of the hit. I am one of the few around here who enjoy your posts, and while some of them seem "doom and gloom", they're usually painfully accurate.

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Unnecessary??

 

I don't remember which Sabre player was playing "grab-ass" with Rod, but they were losing. Kaleta not only made sure Rod wasn't going anywhere with the puck, he "CLEANLY" took their captain into the boards. All the complaining from everyone about how soft this team is, yet when someone steps up and cleans someone's clock, legally, we complain about it being unnecessary?? Not sure I understand, especially coming from someone who was all for someone, anyone, going after Gomez regardless of the consequences...... I understand the situations are different, I just don't understand the idea that the hit was unnecessary. I for one was glad somebody hit an opposing player....especially with it being Rod!!! :thumbsup:

 

 

It's called "troll". He has nothing better to do but to stir the pot.

[SwampD]

Cool. Another thread about DeLuca.

Who cares? Deluca is irrelevent. He would bitch if no one hit Rod, he's bitching that someone did. That hit was great and had nothing to do with why we lost. How many more times are we going to have to watch all five of our guys below the dots making figure eights chasing the puck, while their point men are left wide open, releasing bombs, before we realize that it is Lindy's defensive scheme that is the problem. HE is the reason we lost, not the players.

[carpandean]

it is Lindy's defensive scheme that is the problem. HE is the reason we lost, not the players.

His defensive scheme is why we couldn't score more than one goal? :blink:

[BuffalOhio]

Gaustad's penalty in the third should never have happened. Sekera lost the puck because Staal hooked him under his top hand, and he had to remove his hand from his stick to get free. Why the no call, guys? The hook caused a turnover in the defensive zone. Even in old-time hockey, that's an automatic call, every time.

 

Well, except this one. I realize it didn't cause us to give up a goal, but it did allow Carolina to keep the momentum. Bastards!

[deluca67]

Are those the only 2 you were pushing? I seem to recall others. I'll dig up the posts and the stats if I have to, or you can just come clean.

I'm sure there are more. I really don't remember.

[deluca67]

Cool. Another thread about DeLuca.

Maybe if you came up with something interesting to post people would respond to you. This is after all a message board where the idea is to get people talking.

[SwampD]

His defensive scheme is why we couldn't score more than one goal? :blink:

Yep. When was the last time you saw a Sabre behind the opponent's defense? I honestly can't remember. They play so deep in our own zone that when they finally do go on a rush, it's at the end of their shift, after fending of an onslaught of shots from the points who are always left wide open and allowed to keep the puck in our zone. Then when we finally do get the puck, we're forced to go through all five guys to get to their goalie.

 

Great scoring chances often start with a good outlet pass, but our D has nobody to pass to because they're right next to them when they get the puck and are forced to skate it out.

[LabattBlue]

Yep. When was the last time you saw a Sabre behind the opponent's defense? I honestly can't remember. They play so deep in our own zone that when they finally do go on a rush, it's at the end of their shift, after fending of an onslaught of shots from the points who are always left wide open and allowed to keep the puck in our zone. Then when we finally do get the puck, we're forced to go through all five guys to get to their goalie.

 

Great scoring chances often start with a good outlet pass, but our D has nobody to pass to because they're right next to them when they get the puck and are forced to skate it out.

This team is below average in their own end. The last thing they need are forwards hanging out at the blueline looking for a breakaway pass instead of focusing on team defense.

[SwampD]

This team is below average in their own end. The last thing they need are forwards hanging out at the blueline looking for a breakaway pass instead of focusing on team defense.

All those icings would actually be great passes if they did. They sure aren't making an impact on defense anyway.

[deluca67]

This team is below average in their own end. The last thing they need are forwards hanging out at the blueline looking for a breakaway pass instead of focusing on team defense.

I agree.

 

I doubt Lindy's scheme includes not getting a shot on net on a three on one. The Sabres have to finish. They out shot the Ducks and Canes 60-35 over the first five periods. They are protecting the goalie and still getting shots to the net. That seems like a pretty good scheme. It's up to the goalie to be a little more stout in net and for the forwards to cash in on their chances.

 

Considering the talent on this team Lindy is doing a hell of a job. A lesser coach and we are all talking about Taveras in a Sabres uniform next season.

[SwampD]

I agree.

 

I doubt Lindy's scheme includes not getting a shot on net on a three on one. The Sabres have to finish. They out shot the Ducks and Canes 60-35 over the first five periods. They are protecting the goalie and still getting shots to the net. That seems like a pretty good scheme. It's up to the goalie to be a little more stout in net and for the forwards to cash in on their chances.

 

Considering the talent on this team Lindy is doing a hell of a job. A lesser coach and we are all talking about Taveras in a Sabres uniform next season.

Yeah. 1 goal against is just not stout enough. :blink:

[RayFinkle]

By the way....... For those who attended tonight... did you keep track of the scoreboard cheap shots? Quite the classy organization they have down here....

I give them credit for being original, some of them were actually quite funny. Well done by the Canes. The one I remember was "As part of the economic stimulas package, President Obama offered the City of Buffalo to Canada. Canada politely declined."

 

Also, the guy they had dressed up in the bananna costume (a play on the sluggo logo) getting his ass kicked by stormy was pretty funny too.

 

One thing about hockey games at the RBC, they always put on a good show.

[RayFinkle]

Cool. Another thread about DeLuca.

It boggles my mind that people still read and react to LAMP post after LAMP post that he regurgitates onto the board.

[That Aud Smell]

I'm not arguing the hit - I just got home from work and didn't see it. Just wondering about the vagueness of the standard, and how it's yet another subjective call. Didn't the standard used to be something about number of strides - more than two was charging?

I believe that it used to be 3 or more strides was considered charging. However, I have seen numerous hits where players took way more than 3 strides to make a hit, so I don't know if that is still the standard. As far as I'm concerned, Kaleta's hit was completely legal as he did not leave his feet and did not travel all that far. He traveled about a quarter of the width of the ice as he was halfway between the boards and center ice to hit Brind'amour. That was a ludicrous call. The officiating was horrible as the Sabres only had one PP when there was a lot of interference and hooking that the Canes got away with.

if you were to press someone at the league office, i think they would tell you straight up that the standard for charging is intentionally vague and that call is left to the discretion of the on-ice official -- not unlike the test for pornography made famous by justice potter stewart: "i know it when i see it." by way of one example, it can't be a simple matter of how many strides you took before you made the check, because what if you skated the entire length of the ice next to a guy, and then laid him out? i guess they could re-write the rule so that it's something to the effect of "x number of strides on a line toward the player being hit." but even at that, what about a guy who takes three leisurely strides and then one strong one and knocks a guy into the boards? that doesn't sounds like a charge either. so, what should an objective rule be, "a charge is when any player takes 3 strong strides on a line in an intent to deliver a check ...?" it's going to be a judgment call anyway.

 

i think the hit was a charge -- it was a close call, but it was a charge. it may not have been called if he'd stayed squarely on his feet and skated through the check (he got some lift there at the end). all that said, i like it more than i don't. it wasn't a head shot, as i see them. it was a super-aggressive hit that crossed the line. like i said, i sorta like it out of this team.

 

oh, and it's an added bonus that it was that huge douche rod the bod who had to take a knee.

 

You can't lay the game tonight on Lalime.

Yep. When was the last time you saw a Sabre behind the opponent's defense? I honestly can't remember. They play so deep in our own zone that when they finally do go on a rush, it's at the end of their shift, after fending of an onslaught of shots from the points who are always left wide open and allowed to keep the puck in our zone. Then when we finally do get the puck, we're forced to go through all five guys to get to their goalie.

 

Great scoring chances often start with a good outlet pass, but our D has nobody to pass to because they're right next to them when they get the puck and are forced to skate it out.

This team is below average in their own end. The last thing they need are forwards hanging out at the blueline looking for a breakaway pass instead of focusing on team defense.

agreed - solid effort by the #2 guy. that said, i don't think it can be argued that the team has a bit more explosiveness up the ice if miller's backstopping them.

[bills_fan_in_raleigh]

I give them credit for being original, some of them were actually quite funny. Well done by the Canes. The one I remember was "As part of the economic stimulas package, President Obama offered the City of Buffalo to Canada. Canada politely declined."

 

Also, the guy they had dressed up in the bananna costume (a play on the sluggo logo) getting his ass kicked by stormy was pretty funny too.

 

One thing about hockey games at the RBC, they always put on a good show.

We wanted the to happen one more time since right as stormy was taking out the banana we scored.

[Claude_Verret]

I give them credit for being original, some of them were actually quite funny. Well done by the Canes. The one I remember was "As part of the economic stimulas package, President Obama offered the City of Buffalo to Canada. Canada politely declined."

 

Also, the guy they had dressed up in the bananna costume (a play on the sluggo logo) getting his ass kicked by stormy was pretty funny too.

 

One thing about hockey games at the RBC, they always put on a good show.

 

I saw the Obama one and the one about all the thousands of people moving to the Triangle area and two people moving to Buffalo to go bowling. Relatively amusing? I guess. My issue is more with that this doesn't happen when any other teams play at the RBC. If that organization is so concerned about sabre fan behavior you would think they wouldn't do anything that could potentially add fuel to the fire.

[bills_fan_in_raleigh]

I saw the Obama one and the one about all the thousands of people moving to the Triangle area and two people moving to Buffalo to go bowling. Relatively amusing? I guess. My issue is more with that this doesn't happen when any other teams play at the RBC. If that organization is so concerned about sabre fan behavior you would think they wouldn't do anything that could potentially add fuel to the fire.

The other issue is ths need to hand out these fan behaviour flyers and than to also approach fans during the game with them. I have never seen them at other games like devils, red wings etc. There was one, and I am assumiing buffalo fan, who threw a beer at the refs after the call on Kaleta for charging. Sure felt like the refs decided to be homers