G.M. Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Contending for a Stanley Cup is as much about personnel as it is about timing; constrained around the age of the current personnel and the contracts around the core group of players. Namely Vanek, Miller, Pominville, etc. The Sabres seem to expect a championship within 5 years or sooner based on the age/contracts of their core group. Realistically speaking do the Sabres have a chance at this? I believe that cup championship teams (not contending mind you but actual championship teams) have left little success clues or more importantly have left as a legacy a model that if copied should approach similar results. Sort of like building a bridge; less so in the current NHL--simply because of the salary cap makes keeping many really good players difficult. Unless you?re a class operation like Detroit where players will bend over backward for the organization because they know the organization is committed to championships and not competitiveness. Imagine that, stay below the cap and still ice better players because youre committed to winning. So what are the commonalties among the champions. 1. A group of core players usually drafted within the top 5 overall pics. 2. Excellent first and second line centers. 3. Game controlling defenseman 4. Excellent playoff goaltending. 5. A group of supporting players of the ilk that I call ?Playoff Animals? these are guys that show up like a beacon in the playoffs, making big hits and scoring big goals but don?t necessary play all that great during the regular season. Like Butch Goring, John Tonnelli, Bob Nystrom, Tomas Holmstrom, or even Mike Grier and Lindy Ruff. Although some of the above players did not win the cup if you remember how these players performed in the playoffs you will know the type of player I am referring to. 6. The playoff champion has always had a player that was the best healthy player at their position in the finals. Here is a comparison between where we are and where we need to be. Here are Detroit?s and Buffalos current rosters. Maxim Afinogenov ** Abdelkader, Justin (L) Tim Connolly Chelios, Chris (D) Matt Ellis Cleary, Dan ® Paul Gaustad Conklin, Ty (G) Jochen Hecht "A" Datsyuk, Pavel © Patrick Kaleta Downey, Aaron ® Ales Kotalik Draper, Kris © Clarke MacArthur Filppula, Valtteri © Adam Mair Franzen, Johan ® Daniel Paille Helm, Darren © Andrew Peters Holmstrom, Tomas (L) Jason Pominville "A" Hossa, Marian ® Derek Roy Howard, Jimmy (G) Drew Stafford Hudler, Jiri © Thomas Vanek ** Kopecky, Tomas © Chris Butler Kronwall, Niklas (D) Toni Lydman Lebda, Brett (D) Teppo Numminen "A" Leino, Ville (L) Nathan Paetsch Lidstrom, Nicklas (D) Craig Rivet "C" Lilja, Andreas (D) Andrej Sekera Maltby, Kirk (L) Jaroslav Spacek "A" McCarty, Darren ® Henrik Tallinder Meech, Derek (D) Henrik Tallinder Osgood, Chris (G) Patrick Lalime Rafalski, Brian (D) Ryan Miller Given the above how far away do we seem to be my ideas will follow in subsequent posts.
carpandean Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Here is a comparison between where we are and where we need to be. Here are Detroit?s and Buffalos current rosters. I'm really confused about the roster comparisons. Is there supposed to be some rhyme or reason to the pairings?
shrader Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I'm really confused about the roster comparisons. Is there supposed to be some rhyme or reason to the pairings? Alphabetical order... but I have no idea why our goalies are listed last but theirs aren't.
LabattBlue Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 So what are the commonalties among the champions.1. A group of core players usually drafted within the top 5 overall pics. You lost me at point #1. Please list the group of core players(I assume that this would mean 4 or 5 players minimum) on Detroit's roster who were drafted in the top 5 picks?
Anzaloha Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Contending for a Stanley Cup is as much about personnel as it is about timing; constrained around the age of the current personnel and the contracts around the core group of players. Namely Vanek, Miller, Pominville, etc. The Sabres seem to expect a championship within 5 years or sooner based on the age/contracts of their core group. Realistically speaking do the Sabres have a chance at this?I believe that cup championship teams (not contending mind you but actual championship teams) have left little success clues or more importantly have left as a legacy a model that if copied should approach similar results. Sort of like building a bridge; less so in the current NHL--simply because of the salary cap makes keeping many really good players difficult. Unless you?re a class operation like Detroit where players will bend over backward for the organization because they know the organization is committed to championships and not competitiveness. Imagine that, stay below the cap and still ice better players because youre committed to winning. So what are the commonalties among the champions. 1. A group of core players usually drafted within the top 5 overall pics. 2. Excellent first and second line centers. 3. Game controlling defenseman 4. Excellent playoff goaltending. 5. A group of supporting players of the ilk that I call ?Playoff Animals? these are guys that show up like a beacon in the playoffs, making big hits and scoring big goals but don?t necessary play all that great during the regular season. Like Butch Goring, John Tonnelli, Bob Nystrom, Tomas Holmstrom, or even Mike Grier and Lindy Ruff. Although some of the above players did not win the cup if you remember how these players performed in the playoffs you will know the type of player I am referring to. 6. The playoff champion has always had a player that was the best healthy player at their position in the finals. Here is a comparison between where we are and where we need to be. Here are Detroit?s and Buffalos current rosters. Maxim Afinogenov ** Abdelkader, Justin (L) Tim Connolly Chelios, Chris (D) Matt Ellis Cleary, Dan ? Paul Gaustad Conklin, Ty (G) Jochen Hecht "A" Datsyuk, Pavel ? Patrick Kaleta Downey, Aaron ? Ales Kotalik Draper, Kris ? Clarke MacArthur Filppula, Valtteri ? Adam Mair Franzen, Johan ? Daniel Paille Helm, Darren ? Andrew Peters Holmstrom, Tomas (L) Jason Pominville "A" Hossa, Marian ? Derek Roy Howard, Jimmy (G) Drew Stafford Hudler, Jiri ? Thomas Vanek ** Kopecky, Tomas ? Chris Butler Kronwall, Niklas (D) Toni Lydman Lebda, Brett (D) Teppo Numminen "A" Leino, Ville (L) Nathan Paetsch Lidstrom, Nicklas (D) Craig Rivet "C" Lilja, Andreas (D) Andrej Sekera Maltby, Kirk (L) Jaroslav Spacek "A" McCarty, Darren ? Henrik Tallinder Meech, Derek (D) Henrik Tallinder Osgood, Chris (G) Patrick Lalime Rafalski, Brian (D) Ryan Miller Given the above how far away do we seem to be my ideas will follow in subsequent posts. As usual your post made NO sense. I love how you use the Islander roster from the 70s as an example. Too funny, go back to your fantasy league and manage.
carpandean Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Alphabetical order... but I have no idea why our goalies are listed last but theirs aren't. Ah, yes. I just skimmed the list, including the bottom sets, which is probably what threw me off.
spndnchz Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 You lost me at 'Contending'. :unsure:
LabattBlue Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I have one other question...How come none of the Sabres players are copyrighted? :o
carpandean Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I have one other question...How come none of the Sabres players are copyrighted? :o I'd laugh, but there have been so many times that I have tried to refer to lettered points on different forums and ended up with © for ( c ) or some smiley face, usually with B's.
shrader Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I have one other question...How come none of the Sabres players are copyrighted? :o Golisano's too cheap?
FogBat Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 You lost me at 'Contending'. :unsure: Just a bit below the below the beltline, aren't we??? That had to hurt him because he sure hasn't responded to you.
FogBat Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Golisano's too cheap? More evidence to support your claim...
shrader Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Just a bit below the below the beltline, aren't we??? That had to hurt him because he sure hasn't responded to you. There's a joke in there somewhere about spndnchz and below the belt line.
FogBat Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 There's a joke in there somewhere about spndnchz and below the belt line. If you say so... :blink:
G.M. Posted February 24, 2009 Author Report Posted February 24, 2009 I'm really confused about the roster comparisons. Is there supposed to be some rhyme or reason to the pairings? If you are really dumb instead of just trying to be glib then it should be pretty obvious what I have in mind. ?? no Mind? Ok then, in that case the idea was to list the roster of last years Stanley Cup Championship team, namely Detroit and next to it place the current Sabres roster. With the implication being if the Red Wings won the Cup with that group of players, taking into account all the obvious factors, (please don?t ask what factors) and then make an observation about how close or how far away the current Sabre roster may be. Simply compare the rosters and draw conclusions. 1. The Sabres have enough talent 2. The sabres have to add talent. 3. Not sure 4. Don?t care The pairings do not exist even though they may be tuples and therefore have no reason nor rhyme. They should be looked at as two rosters cut and pasted to make a point not to be graded on for beauty. :wallbash:
wonderbread Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 If you are really dumb instead of just trying to be glib then it should be pretty obvious what I have in mind. ?? no Mind? Ok then, in that case the idea was to list the roster of last years Stanley Cup Championship team, namely Detroit and next to it place the current Sabres roster. With the implication being if the Red Wings won the Cup with that group of players, taking into account all the obvious factors, (please don?t ask what factors) and then make an observation about how close or how far away the current Sabre roster may be. Simply compare the rosters and draw conclusions. 1. The Sabres have enough talent 2. The sabres have to add talent. 3. Not sure 4. Don?t care The pairings do not exist even though they may be tuples and therefore have no reason nor rhyme. They should be looked at as two rosters cut and pasted to make a point not to be graded on for beauty. :wallbash: not to dogpile on the rabbit here but you are a mess dude.
Bmwolf21 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 You lost me at point #1. Please list the group of core players(I assume that this would mean 4 or 5 players minimum) on Detroit's roster who were drafted in the top 5 picks? Do they have ANYONE taken in the top five picks? Zetterberg was a 7th-rounder, Datsyuk was a 6th-rounder, Lidstrom was a 3rd-rounder, Holmstrom was taken in the 10th round...the vast majority of that team was taken in the 3rd round or later, and in some cases, undrafted. A quick look at their roster and I see only three first rounders - Cleary (1st round, 13th overall by Chicago in 1997) Kronwell (1st round, 29th overall by DET in 2000) and Hossa (1st round, 12th overall by OTT in 1997). I have one other question...How come none of the Sabres players are copyrighted? :oGolisano's too cheap? Are we sure that Quinn hasn't tried to patent any of the players yet?
spndnchz Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 If you are really dumb instead of just trying to be glib then it should be pretty obvious what I have in mind. ?? no Mind? Ok then, in that case the idea was to list the roster of last years Stanley Cup Championship team, namely Detroit and next to it place the current Sabres roster. With the implication being if the Red Wings won the Cup with that group of players, taking into account all the obvious factors, (please don?t ask what factors) and then make an observation about how close or how far away the current Sabre roster may be. Simply compare the rosters and draw conclusions. 1. The Sabres have enough talent 2. The sabres have to add talent. 3. Not sure 4. Don?t care The pairings do not exist even though they may be tuples and therefore have no reason nor rhyme. They should be looked at as two rosters cut and pasted to make a point not to be graded on for beauty. :wallbash: Classic improversation. Or I'm just :censored: dumb.
Two or less Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 not to dogpile on the rabbit here but you are a mess dude. lol yeah i second that. I have no idea what the hell he's trying to say more times then not. I still can't figure this thread about a day after it got started. Detroit is better then Buffalo? Really! That shock anybody?
Anzaloha Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 If you are really dumb instead of just trying to be glib then it should be pretty obvious what I have in mind. ?? no Mind? Ok then, in that case the idea was to list the roster of last years Stanley Cup Championship team, namely Detroit and next to it place the current Sabres roster. With the implication being if the Red Wings won the Cup with that group of players, taking into account all the obvious factors, (please don?t ask what factors) and then make an observation about how close or how far away the current Sabre roster may be. Simply compare the rosters and draw conclusions. 1. The Sabres have enough talent 2. The sabres have to add talent. 3. Not sure 4. Don?t care The pairings do not exist even though they may be tuples and therefore have no reason nor rhyme. They should be looked at as two rosters cut and pasted to make a point not to be graded on for beauty. :wallbash: Hope your walls are padded.
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