carpandean Posted February 1, 2009 Report Posted February 1, 2009 http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Roc...pNPC3EmrqA.cspx They were walking back to their cars after responding to a call and a shot rang out. The officer was hit in the back of the head. The three other officers administered first aid and took him in a police car to the hospital. He has undergone surgery, but there hasn't been word yet about how bad it is. He has been on the force for less than a year. Whatever your faith, keep this young officer in your thoughts and prayers.
Two or less Posted February 1, 2009 Report Posted February 1, 2009 Very sad news. Apparently the police officers were walking back to their cars and ready to leave the scene when the guy took out a gun and shot the officer in the back of the head. My prayers are with the police officer and his family tonight and hopefully they catch the guy.
Eleven Posted February 1, 2009 Report Posted February 1, 2009 http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Roc...pNPC3EmrqA.cspx They were walking back to their cars after responding to a call and a shot rang out. The officer was hit in the back of the head. The three other officers administered first aid and took him in a police car to the hospital. He has undergone surgery, but there hasn't been word yet about how bad it is. He has been on the force for less than a year. Whatever your faith, keep this young officer in your thoughts and prayers. Good Lord. Prayers said.
darksabre Posted February 1, 2009 Report Posted February 1, 2009 It's things like this that I just hate to read about as someone planning a career in law enforcement. It's the risk they all face. You just hate to see it happen. I will definitely be keeping this poor guy in my thoughts, I can only hope he'll recover from it. :(
McJeff215 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Posted February 1, 2009 My cousin is a Rochester Cop... I'll drop him a note. I hope this guy is alright.
jwcolour Posted February 1, 2009 Report Posted February 1, 2009 reading the report it sounds weird.... They don't know where the shot came from. Lets hope they find out and beat the living #%^$#! out of this POS punk.
bob_sauve28 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Posted February 1, 2009 reading the report it sounds weird.... They don't know where the shot came from. Lets hope they find out and beat the living #%^$#! out of this POS punk. Ya, that will help a lot
darksabre Posted February 1, 2009 Report Posted February 1, 2009 Monroe County has a very good forensics lab. I don't doubt they'll be able to at least figure out a general idea of where the shot came from. Whether they'll find anything in their searches is questionable. If they have a bullet from a prior shooting on record they might be able to link cases and suspects, but I doubt they have ownership records, as the gun is likely stolen. All we can hope is that they are able to link this to something else.
FogBat Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Monroe County has a very good forensics lab. I don't doubt they'll be able to at least figure out a general idea of where the shot came from. Whether they'll find anything in their searches is questionable. If they have a bullet from a prior shooting on record they might be able to link cases and suspects, but I doubt they have ownership records, as the gun is likely stolen. All we can hope is that they are able to link this to something else. I clicked on the link that started this thread for an update. So far as I can figure out, the officer is still alive - praise God! d4rksabre, not to change the topic, but since you said that MC has a very good forensics lab, are you a Criminal Justice major at RIT?
McJeff215 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 I clicked on the link that started this thread for an update. So far as I can figure out, the officer is still alive - praise God! d4rksabre, not to change the topic, but since you said that MC has a very good forensics lab, are you a Criminal Justice major at RIT? Yeah, he's still alive... talked to my cousin very briefly today and he says that after the next few days, the officer is going to have a long road to recovery. I asked if there's going to be any kind of fundraiser for medical expenses or anything. If so, I'll post information if no one beats me to it...
darksabre Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 I clicked on the link that started this thread for an update. So far as I can figure out, the officer is still alive - praise God! d4rksabre, not to change the topic, but since you said that MC has a very good forensics lab, are you a Criminal Justice major at RIT? yes sir I am, I'm actually doing a research project on forensic technology right now. it's been a very interesting assignment.
el_Polako Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So it looks like a 14 year old shot the cop.... wonderful
darksabre Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Yup, and apparently the kid was aiming for someone else and missed. F'ing stupid. There are so many more things that need to be dealt with than just this kid pulling a gun and trying to shoot someone in front of the police. Things must be a lot worse in Rochester than we even know if someone that young is that willing to do something so outrageous. http://www.13wham.com/mostpopular/story/Bo...zt3rkjCLfg.cspx Kid turned himself in too. Really sad situation all around, not only for officer DiPonzio but for this kid, who even with support from outside programs, still decided it'd be a good idea to shoot at a cop. Something needs to be done for the youth of this city, very much like Buffalo. We don't need Buffalo becoming what Rochester is.
el_Polako Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 We don't need Buffalo becoming what Rochester is. Rochester is a mess. Highest crime rate per capita in NYS.
darksabre Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Rochester is a mess. Highest crime rate per capita in NYS. It's why I know no matter where I choose to work, it will not be Rochester. I want to work Buffalo and end up either State or return to my hometown of Lancaster. But Buffalo is my tentative first step. Anywhere but Rochester. At least in NYS that is. There's a lot worse places than Rochester...
inkman Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Anywhere but Rochester. I guess being a native, I'll have to respond. I've lived here my whole life and have never experienced any problems. I don't venture to certain areas of the city because I know I won't be welcome.
deluca67 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Yup, and apparently the kid was aiming for someone else and missed. F'ing stupid. There are so many more things that need to be dealt with than just this kid pulling a gun and trying to shoot someone in front of the police. Things must be a lot worse in Rochester than we even know if someone that young is that willing to do something so outrageous. http://www.13wham.com/mostpopular/story/Bo...zt3rkjCLfg.cspx Kid turned himself in too. Really sad situation all around, not only for officer DiPonzio but for this kid, who even with support from outside programs, still decided it'd be a good idea to shoot at a cop. Something needs to be done for the youth of this city, very much like Buffalo. We don't need Buffalo becoming what Rochester is. With all due respect to the Mayor of Rochester and the Superintendent I really would like to question the quality of support this child did receive. I do not live in Rochester so I will defer to those that do if they have something to offer as to the quality of the youth social programs. It has been my understanding indirectly, having had friends who have worked for various state and city social programs, that most programs in New York State are understaffed and underfunded. I'm sure those like the Mayor would like to believe their programs are top notch having the tools to help inner city children avoid the call of the streets. Hearing that Rochester has the highest crime rate in the state leads me to believe otherwise. Let's not forget that two lives have been destroyed here. The officer who was gunned down and deserves the thoughts and prayers from those inclined to do so and a 14 year old child who has thrown away a huge portion of his life. This kid should be playing PlayStation and trying to figure out what boobs feel like. He shouldn't be on the streets with a handgun. In many ways this child can be seen as a victim. I don't mean to, in anyway, take away from what happened and this child's personal responsibility in his actions. There is a price to pay for years of failed social and economic polices. With the erosion of the middle class, continued cuts in education and this governments (this goes far beyond the Bush years) failure to recognize the depths of hopelessness felt by a ever growing segment of the population tragedies like this will continue to be common place. It's a frightening thing to think about.
... Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So, this kid was failed by social programs, and not his parents, family, and community? If perhaps we spent less resources on trying to prop up the government nanny state and did something to allow families to thrive a kid like this would have had a "chance". The failure of the nanny-state paradigm is on display here, and daily elsewhere throughout this country - yet there are people who keep saying it needs more and more resources.
inkman Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So, this kid was failed by social programs, and not his parents, family, and community? Update Rivera, who will turn 15 on Feb. 18, has not been in the Rochester School District system since he completed the sixth grade in the summer of 2007. In court today, Green said it appeared that Rivera had not attended did not attend school since he was 12. Rivera had been placed on probation through Family Court, but it was revoked because he failed to meet conditions, such as going to school. ?He was not staying at home regularly and his family could not control him,? Green said. At least twice in recent years, he was taken to St. Joseph?s Villa and also ran away from there, Green said. St. Joseph?s Villa is a nonprofit children?s mental health agency that works to help at-risk young people through various educational programs.
SwampD Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 With all due respect to the Mayor of Rochester and the Superintendent I really would like to question the quality of support this child did receive. I do not live in Rochester so I will defer to those that do if they have something to offer as to the quality of the youth social programs. It has been my understanding indirectly, having had friends who have worked for various state and city social programs, that most programs in New York State are understaffed and underfunded. I'm sure those like the Mayor would like to believe their programs are top notch having the tools to help inner city children avoid the call of the streets. Hearing that Rochester has the highest crime rate in the state leads me to believe otherwise. Let's not forget that two lives have been destroyed here. The officer who was gunned down and deserves the thoughts and prayers from those inclined to do so and a 14 year old child who has thrown away a huge portion of his life. This kid should be playing PlayStation and trying to figure out what boobs feel like. He shouldn't be on the streets with a handgun. In many ways this child can be seen as a victim. I don't mean to, in anyway, take away from what happened and this child's personal responsibility in his actions. There is a price to pay for years of failed social and economic polices. With the erosion of the middle class, continued cuts in education and this governments (this goes far beyond the Bush years) failure to recognize the depths of hopelessness felt by a ever growing segment of the population tragedies like this will continue to be common place. It's a frightening thing to think about. So, this kid was failed by social programs, and not his parents, family, and community? If perhaps we spent less resources on trying to prop up the government nanny state and did something to allow families to thrive a kid like this would have had a "chance". The failure of the nanny-state paradigm is on display here, and daily elsewhere throughout this country - yet there are people who keep saying it needs more and more resources. Be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Sometimes you do everything right and the wrong thing still happens. How many others have these programs helped and kept something like this from happening more often.
Eleven Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Update Rivera, who will turn 15 on Feb. 18, has not been in the Rochester School District system since he completed the sixth grade in the summer of 2007. In court today, Green said it appeared that Rivera had not attended did not attend school since he was 12. Rivera had been placed on probation through Family Court, but it was revoked because he failed to meet conditions, such as going to school. ?He was not staying at home regularly and his family could not control him,? Green said. At least twice in recent years, he was taken to St. Joseph?s Villa and also ran away from there, Green said. St. Joseph?s Villa is a nonprofit children?s mental health agency that works to help at-risk young people through various educational programs. Yeah, it may or may not be society's failure, but I can't help feeling sorry for the kid, too. For whatever reason, he was into something that most 14-year-olds shouldn't be able even to understand, much less experience. And primarily, there's the officer, his nascent career, and his family to think about. This thing just sucks all over.
deluca67 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So, this kid was failed by social programs, and not his parents, family, and community? If perhaps we spent less resources on trying to prop up the government nanny state and did something to allow families to thrive a kid like this would have had a "chance". The failure of the nanny-state paradigm is on display here, and daily elsewhere throughout this country - yet there are people who keep saying it needs more and more resources. There is no "nanny state". Offering resources to those who otherwise would have no access is far from being a "nanny". "Nanny state", "Welfare Sate", "Socialist State" do you see a pattern here. Why is that when the idea that the government should provide assistance for those in need it is common for those who oppose to try to categorize under a particular name? And, how can you declare any such "paradigm" a failure when it is poorly funded and those hired are under trained and over taxed. Think about it. We pour billions of dollars into the military and what is the first to be cut? Education and social support programs. The failure of this child began long before he picked up a hand gun. Inner city kids are herded through grade to grade without proper guidance and teaching. You are right in one aspect. The failure was not only of the system. Parents, family and community should carry the burden as well. And on your last point. When a child picks up a gun and fires at someone you can bet your ass that not enough resources are available to the inner cities.
deluca67 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 This thing just sucks all over. Hopefully something positive can come out of this tragedy. Maybe this will cause some who have been sitting on the sidelines to get more heavily involved in preventing things like this.
... Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 There is no "nanny state". Offering resources to those who otherwise would have no access is far from being a "nanny". "Nanny state", "Welfare Sate", "Socialist State" do you see a pattern here. Why is that when the idea that the government should provide assistance for those in need it is common for those who oppose to try to categorize under a particular name? And, how can you declare any such "paradigm" a failure when it is poorly funded and those hired are under trained and over taxed. Think about it. We pour billions of dollars into the military and what is the first to be cut? Education and social support programs. The failure of this child began long before he picked up a hand gun. Inner city kids are herded through grade to grade without proper guidance and teaching. You are right in one aspect. The failure was not only of the system. Parents, family and community should carry the burden as well. And on your last point. When a child picks up a gun and fires at someone you can bet your ass that not enough resources are available to the inner cities. "There is no nanny state"? Haha! What a joke. That's all we have is a nanny state. If you're so involved with social programs then it should be very apparent the depth of government nanny-ism. Who said anything about opposing assistance to those in trouble? There's a difference between cradle-to-grave State social programs and government assistance to those truly in need. People peddling social programs in the 'hood, or anywhere else (read: food-stamp commercials on the radio) are no better than crack peddlers. Once you're "in need" they're happy to keep you, and your successive generations "in need." There have been "social programs" for nearly 50 years, longer depending on what one considers a "social program". When are they supposed to start working? There are still poor people, there are now multiple generations of people dependent on "social programs." The "social program" high volume areas, known locally as the East and West sides, are more dangerous than ever. And they're depressing areas to be in; dirty, dillapudated, dangerous - no wonder these kids have "no chance". How many social programs have had countless dollars allocated to it to do something about the conditions of these neighborhoods for the past half a century? How much money and bureaucracy can you throw at a problem before you realize it's not working? Just like our stupid public education system and the completely ridiculous "War on Drugs"? Or perhaps they ARE working... without all of these government programs and the people who depend on them - where would all of these unionized paper-pushers and power brokers go? Back into the mob? The private sector where you have to actually pay attention to what your healthcare plan is? That means they'd have to sucker people some other way for a vote. I feel bad for the kid - just like the poor officer, he's a victim of OUR laziness and decadence. Too lazy to use all of the amazing resources at our disposal to recognize and understand just what the hell is actually going on, too decadent to be motivated to give a damn.
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