tom webster Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/2009/0...r-butler-l.html
R_Dudley Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Excellant choice IMHO based on how the D were playing and in keeping with lindy's "Show me you want more ice time" mantra... Now ? is; back with Teppo or some time with Rivet ? :rolleyes: Personally using Lindy's analogy I would like to add some dirt and grit to his game... Give me the captain.
bflobarry Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 I remember a few years ago, I thought Tallinder was playing lights out. What in the hell happened to THAT guy? His game now is awful. I don't get it. Actually, I think virtually all of our "D" are essentially the same: Lydman, Spacek, Tallinder, Numminen, even Rivet: very poor passing, sloppy in our own end, a total lack of offense. None of 'em impress me. Sekera is easily our best right now, and Butler is solid too. What happened to Weber? God forbid we actually got some offense from back there. But the biggest problem is the sloppy, lazy passing. These guys are all the same: mediocre.
Eleven Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 I remember a few years ago, I thought Tallinder was playing lights out. What in the hell happened to THAT guy? His game now is awful. I don't get it. I'm with you. Tallinder-Lydman was this great defensive tandem that made McKee expendable (and nothing in this post is meant to suggest that the Sabs should have given McKee what the Blues gave him)...and then what the hell happened? Lydman is the same; he's not flashy, and never has been, but he's a very solid player behind his blue line. And then there's Tallinder, who freaking just has collapsed. It's nearly unbelievable. What the hell got into his head? The guy was set to be one of the NHL's top defensive D-men, and all of the sudden, his tenacity just evaporated. Wow. For his sake, if not for the team's sake, I hope he pulls it back together.
SabresFan526 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 I'm with you. Tallinder-Lydman was this great defensive tandem that made McKee expendable (and nothing in this post is meant to suggest that the Sabs should have given McKee what the Blues gave him)...and then what the hell happened? Lydman is the same; he's not flashy, and never has been, but he's a very solid player behind his blue line. And then there's Tallinder, who freaking just has collapsed. It's nearly unbelievable. What the hell got into his head? The guy was set to be one of the NHL's top defensive D-men, and all of the sudden, his tenacity just evaporated. Wow. For his sake, if not for the team's sake, I hope he pulls it back together. Personally, I think the two broken arm injuries have made him soft. And if you're known as a defensive defenseman and now you are afraid of hitting other guys or being hit, you've lost everything. Many people in hockey, like Pierre McGuire, thought Tallinder was well on his way to becoming a Norris Trophy defenseman after 2005-2006 because not only was he good defensively he was pretty good offensively as well. I really think the broken arm injuries have ruined his career and made him a scared hockey player, which is the worst possible thing for someone who is supposed to be a defensive defenseman. Clearly, it's not physical as he has all the tools to be that player again, it's purely mental with him. Not just bad as a Sabres fan as you rely on the guy, but I think it's sad for him as well. I hope he can regain that confidence again one day even if it's not with the Sabres because he has the tools to be a great defenseman. *Edit - I just noticed, yesterday was Hank's 30th birthday. He was a healthy scratch on his 30th birthday. That's just really sad. Either he had a good celebration or was totally pissed off. Poor guy.
carpandean Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 *Edit - I just noticed, yesterday was Hank's 30th birthday. He was a healthy scratch on his 30th birthday. That's just really sad. Either he had a good celebration or was totally pissed off. Poor guy. :o Ouch. Maybe we should try Tallinder at forward. He's a converted forward anyway (they talked about that last year when he beat Brodeur in the shootout) and, with his long stride, has really deceptive speed. At least, then, if he doesn't fight in the corner, it won't result in a goal against.
darksabre Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 :o Ouch. Maybe we should try Tallinder at forward. He's a converted forward anyway (they talked about that last year when he beat Brodeur in the shootout) and, with his long stride, has really deceptive speed. At least, then, if he doesn't fight in the corner, it won't result in a goal against. That would certainly be fun to see :lol: hey Lindy, are you reading this? Give it a shot, it might be worth it for the novelty alone!
BuffalOhio Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Personally using Lindy's analogy I would like to add some dirt and grit to his game... Give me the captain. I loved that quote by Lindy. "He adds more dirt to our lineup", or something like that. AWESOME!
That Aud Smell Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Personally, I think the two broken arm injuries have made him soft. And if you're known as a defensive defenseman and now you are afraid of hitting other guys or being hit, you've lost everything. Many people in hockey, like Pierre McGuire, thought Tallinder was well on his way to becoming a Norris Trophy defenseman after 2005-2006 because not only was he good defensively he was pretty good offensively as well. I really think the broken arm injuries have ruined his career and made him a scared hockey player, which is the worst possible thing for someone who is supposed to be a defensive defenseman. Clearly, it's not physical as he has all the tools to be that player again, it's purely mental with him. Not just bad as a Sabres fan as you rely on the guy, but I think it's sad for him as well. I hope he can regain that confidence again one day even if it's not with the Sabres because he has the tools to be a great defenseman. i agree that this is the only plausible explanation. there could be other factors at play, but (i) they're not as likely to explain the drop-off in his play and (ii) there's no way for us to know about them. i've also noticed plenty of occasions in the past 60 games or so (dating back to last year) where the opposing team seemed to be going out of its way to chip, nick, bump, etc. tallinder -- seems as though after he came back from the two broken arms, a "book" developed on his aversion to phyiscal play. it's a shame, really.
Corp000085 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 I said it then and i'll say it again to back up sabresfan and aud smell: Tallinder's career as we knew it ended when he had his arm broken against the canes. That was all she wrote. Unfortunately for hank, he's not about to convert himself into more of a two way player. You do have to give the guy props for being truly awesome till his arm broke though. I know that in hindsight most will say that we should have cut hank and signed mckee, but i still wouldn't make that move.
That Aud Smell Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 I know that in hindsight most will say that we should have cut hank and signed mckee, but i still wouldn't make that move. that sort of hindsight isn't just 20-20 -- it's more like 20-15 -- with the way the league's game was being played and the way his game was at the time that decision had to be made, tallinder was projecting as a top-20 (-15, even -10) d-man.
nfreeman Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 I said it then and i'll say it again to back up sabresfan and aud smell: Tallinder's career as we knew it ended when he had his arm broken against the canes. That was all she wrote. Unfortunately for hank, he's not about to convert himself into more of a two way player. You do have to give the guy props for being truly awesome till his arm broke though. I know that in hindsight most will say that we should have cut hank and signed mckee, but i still wouldn't make that move. Well, I'd agree that we should've let Tally go and found somebody else to spend $3MM on, but McKee has been such a washout with STL that it's hard to say he should've been the one (and I was a huge McKee fan).
Two or less Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 I said it then and i'll say it again to back up sabresfan and aud smell: Tallinder's career as we knew it ended when he had his arm broken against the canes. That was all she wrote. Unfortunately for hank, he's not about to convert himself into more of a two way player. You do have to give the guy props for being truly awesome till his arm broke though. I know that in hindsight most will say that we should have cut hank and signed mckee, but i still wouldn't make that move. Totally agree. He was rock solid until that point and he was one of the main reasons why we beat Ottawa that season. He was just unreal. And his transition game was the best part of his game. The following season, he showed many flows in his game, because we were so stacked, he got away with many mistakes the season we won the President's Trophy. However, in the playoffs, when it was up to him and Lydman to stop Ottawa for a 2nd straight year, that was truly the end of Tallinder. Great post.
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