It is what it is...Miller is an average goalie paid like a superstar...

[Bmwolf21]

Moving past the pissing contest

My apologies for the pissing contest. I was still ticked off about the Bills game and let that cranky old D-bag get under my skin. On the bright side it made me realize I'm better off putting him back on the Ignore list.

[inkman]

I was still ticked off about the Bills game...

I have returned to my previous state of indifference. I just don't care.

[WayneGibbous]

What an original topic...

[Stoner]

My apologies for the pissing contest. I was still ticked off about the Bills game and let that cranky old D-bag get under my skin. On the bright side it made me realize I'm better off putting him back on the Ignore list.

 

Don't make me go Schoenfeld on you. You certainly deserve it at this point. I'll stay classy though.

 

They're your words, so if it's condescending or garbage look in the mirror. You have a full-length one, right?

[frisky]

Just from looking at the numbers from this season and, subjectively, taking into consideration age and length of contract, I think Miller is being paid at around the right rate. Perhaps slightly high but if you try and forecast inflation, I don't think he's being overpaid. Here's a list sorted by save % for goalies with over 900 min. played. The only one playing at the elite level with "elite" money is Luongo. So, you could say that everyone is overpaid.

 

NAME Age Team Cap Signed Thru GP GA GAA SA PCT MOI

Tim Thomas 34 BOS 1,100,000 2008-09 18 36 1.96 579 0.938 1103

Roberto Luongo 29 VAN 6,750,000 2009-2010 19 39 2.17 540 0.928 1076

Niklas Backstrom 30 MIN 3,100,000 2008-09 25 55 2.28 737 0.925 1450

Mike Smith 26 TB 2,200,000 2010-2011 23 58 2.51 760 0.924 1389

Carey Price 21 MTL 2,200,000 2009-2010 21 50 2.37 624 0.92 1267

Alex Auld 27 OTT 1,000,000 2009-2010 20 45 2.21 559 0.919 1223

JS Giguere 31 ANA 6,000,000 2010-2011 22 59 2.86 676 0.913 1237

Henrik Lundqvist 26 NYR 6,875,000 2013-2014 28 70 2.54 805 0.913 1653

Cristobal Huet 33 CHI 5,625,000 2011-2012 15 36 2.48 410 0.912 870

Tomas Vokoun 32 FLA 5,700,000 2010-2011 18 47 2.96 536 0.912 953

Ryan Miller 28 BUF 6,250,000 2013-2014 24 58 2.51 656 0.912 1387

Cam Ward 24 CAR 2,666,667 2009-2010 19 49 2.63 558 0.912 1117

Ilja Bryzgalov 28 PHX 4,250,000 2010-2011 24 66 2.94 695 0.905 1349

Evgeni Nabokov 33 SJ 5,375,000 2010-2011 20 50 2.48 519 0.904 1212

Dan Ellis 28 NAS 1,750,000 2008-09 23 63 2.78 650 0.903 1361

Peter Budaj 26 COL 700,000 2008-2009 26 69 2.73 708 0.903 1513

Erik Ersberg 26 LA 700,000 2008-09 17 36 2.39 369 0.902 905

Martin Biron 31 PHI 3,500,000 2008-09 21 60 2.95 601 0.9 1220

Joey MacDonald 28 NYI 487,500 2008-09 26 80 3.2 802 0.9 1502

Miikka Kiprusoff 32 CGY 5,833,333 2013-2014 28 79 2.88 785 0.899 1644

Vesa Toskala 31 TOR 4,000,000 2009-2010 26 78 3.06 706 0.89 1528

Jose Theodore 32 WSH 4,500,000 2009-2010 17 50 3.08 448 0.888 975

Marty Turco 33 DAL 5,700,000 2009-2010 26 83 3.32 700 0.881 1501

Chris Osgood 36 DET 1,416,667 2010-2011 18 57 3.2 455 0.875 1068

[bottlecap]

unless he gets an operation to uncross his lazy eye I don't see things changing. The bloops from the point are

frustrating and the WTF wave is amateurish. He seems to get caught out of position alot and he whines too much.

Not alot of confidence in Ryan from game to game with his consistency; actually Lalime might be better.

[That Aud Smell]

Just from looking at the numbers from this season and, subjectively, taking into consideration age and length of contract, I think Miller is being paid at around the right rate. Perhaps slightly high but if you try and forecast inflation, I don't think he's being overpaid. Here's a list sorted by save % for goalies with over 900 min. played. The only one playing at the elite level with "elite" money is Luongo. So, you could say that everyone is overpaid.

 

NAME Age Team Cap Signed Thru GP GA GAA SA PCT MOI

Henrik Lundqvist 26 NYR 6,875,000 2013-2014 28 70 2.54 805 0.913 1653

 

Ryan Miller 28 BUF 6,250,000 2013-2014 24 58 2.51 656 0.912 1387

Cam Ward 24 CAR 2,666,667 2009-2010 19 49 2.63 558 0.912 1117

the data sorts a lot better when i look at it after hitting the quote function.

 

miller's just off the lundqvist pace in terms of compensation, which, as it did at the time the deal was announced, sounds exactly right. (so maybe, as you say, the argument is that a number of goalies are overpaid.)

 

i also find it interesting that cam ward's numbers are so close to miller's this year -- ward was good enough to get the job done in 2006 -- and, imo, miller's plenty good to get it done for us (it's just that a lot of stuff needs to come together, all at the same time).

[Bmwolf21]

I have returned to my previous state of indifference. I just don't care.

I went into yesterday's game with the mindset of "a loss will help end the Jauron era," but got sucked back in when the offense actually found the end zone. I should have known better, should have known that they were going to get my hopes up only to kick me in the junk at the end of the game.

 

The Dick Jauron Buffalo Bills - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[kingcongkorab]

I went into yesterday's game with the mindset of "a loss will help end the Jauron era," but got sucked back in when the offense actually found the end zone. I should have known better, should have known that they were going to get my hopes up only to kick me in the junk at the end of the game.

 

The Dick Jauron Buffalo Bills - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

It's a disease being a Bills fan. No rational person on earth would choose to go through what we have been through. I think this season sets the record for most gut wrenching losses.

[Bmwolf21]

It's a disease being a Bills fan. No rational person on earth would choose to go through what we have been through. I think this season sets the record for most gut wrenching losses.

Very well put.

[That Aud Smell]

"a loss will help end the Jauron era"

i'm sticking with that -- yesterday's debacle will hasten the end's arrival. and let it come soon!

 

but, really, i can't say it will "speed the healing," since i have no confidence in ralph's willingness to spend the coin needed to get someone solid to helm the team.

 

I think this season sets the record for most gut wrenching losses.

really? i still think last year with the denver/dallas combo was tougher, and then the frustration from the hoping-against-hope blizzard game at cleveland.

[stenbaro]

Very well put.

I think we should send Miller out of here with Losman on the same train :nana: ....I know this will get you going wolf but I am just messin around..Cant help it.. :thumbsup:

[Stoner]

I went into yesterday's game with the mindset of "a loss will help end the Jauron era," but got sucked back in when the offense actually found the end zone. I should have known better, should have known that they were going to get my hopes up only to kick me in the junk at the end of the game.

 

The Dick Jauron Buffalo Bills - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

How would anyone find your junk?

[nobody]

miller's like a handful of above-average ("good") goalies in the league -- capable of stellar play, likely even capable of backstopping a cup-winning team (should the planets align), but also susceptible to head-scratching gaffes and valleys of performance, both on a semi-regular basis.

 

 

Similar to when Marty Biron was here - you could count on him giving up a softie through his pads at least every other game.

[inkman]

How would anyone find your junk?

They looked in his trunk. I feel extremely white for saying that.

[Bmwolf21]

They looked in his trunk. I feel extremely white for saying that.

:lol:

[SwampD]

Got home late and read this whole thread with dinner. Pretty funny stuff, and I'm not talking about the cat-fight...er..um..I mean, pissing contest. Miller isn't great, but he's pretty darn good(that's all I can come up with and I'm glad we have him). He's payed what he should be payed. It's pretty good but it certainly isn't superstar money. And as far as him being a head case...whatta shocker! You mean there is a goalie that is a head case? I thought that the term "goalie" was actually an Inuit word that meant head case.

[Kristian]

Got home late and read this whole thread with dinner. Pretty funny stuff, and I'm not talking about the cat-fight...er..um..I mean, pissing contest. Miller isn't great, but he's pretty darn good(that's all I can come up with and I'm glad we have him). He's payed what he should be payed. It's pretty good but it certainly isn't superstar money. And as far as him being a head case...whatta shocker! You mean there is a goalie that is a head case? I thought that the term "goalie" was actually an Inuit word that meant head case.

 

Hell yeah!

 

I thought it was a pretty widely accepted fact you MUST BE a head case to step in front of small frozen discs, getting fired at you at 80+mph.