Bmwolf21 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 I just heard a stat: Lynch had 1 carry in the 4th quarter. I don't know if that's true or not but that would be pretty crazy if true. This coaching staff may be the leagues worst. The coaching staff should be fired just on the basis of not giving the ball to Marshawn inside the five. Yesterday wasn't the first time it's happened either. You don't give the ball to your speed back in short-yardage situations - you give it to the Beast and let him carry someone into the end zone.
Bmwolf21 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 How can Hardy be a bust when he never gets on the field? They dont even put him on the field during redzone plays when he could help them out the most. Oh how short our memories are. Eric Moulds struggled the first few years he was a Bill and I think he turned out pretty good. Give the guy some time to actually play. Given how long it takes WR's -- especially big ones who play in non-pro style offenses in college -- to develop, I'm comfortable waiting till next year to start worrying about Hardy. Besides, there are far too many positions to worry about right now outside of our rookie 2nd-round WR. DE's are a joke, our DT's outside of Stroud are invisible most games, the WLB (Ellison) shouldn't be an every-down guy, the O-line still has holes, and the coaching staff excels at underachieving.
inkman Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 I ain't buying it. Buffalo is not worse than SF. DJ is worse than MS who still has to ask for directions to the head coaches office in SF he is so new at this. Buffalo's problems start at the top and poop flows downhill. 1 Sep 07 ARI 23 @ SF 13 2 Sep 14 SF 33 @ SEA 30 3 Sep 21 DET 13 @ SF 31 4 Sep 28 SF 17 @ NO 31 5 Oct 05 NE 30 @ SF 21 6 Oct 12 PHI 40 @ SF 26 7 Oct 19 SF 17 @ NYG 29 8 Oct 26 SEA 34 @ SF 13 10 Nov 10 SF 24 @ ARI 29 11 Nov 16 STL 16 @ SF 35 Do the Bills win any of those games that SF didn't? Seattle maybe...
Knightrider Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 I haven't been around long enough and never really cared enough about NFL history enough to know the answer to this one. In their entire NFL days, is there anything of value outside of those Polian/Levy years? The only thing I ever hear about from this team's history is that streak against Miami in the 70s. Really, what I'm getting at here is, does Wilson have a long history of this cheap hire game that he likes to play or is it just a product of today's economy in professional sports? I'd love to hear that the Polian/Levy hirings weren't just the Bills catching lightning in a bottle (not that I'm holding out much hope on hearing that answer). He had a good coach in Chuck Knox in the early 80s. Lou Saban was before my time. Ralph had the cheap wrap prior to the SB years. Supposedly, he told Knox to pull Joe Cribbs in a playoff game in 1981, because Cribbs was about to hit a incentive number in his contract. Soon after a strike shortened 1982 season, Cribbs and Knox were both gone. Knox to the Seahawks, and Cribbs to the USFL. So yeah, Polian was definately lightning in a bottle. Polian hired Levy (Polian was a scout for KC when Levy coached the Chefs).
deluca67 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 He had a good coach in Chuck Knox in the early 80s. Lou Saban was before my time. Ralph had the cheap wrap prior to the SB years. Supposedly, he told Knox to pull Joe Cribbs in a playoff game in 1981, because Cribbs was about to hit a incentive number in his contract. Soon after a strike shortened 1982 season, Cribbs and Knox were both gone. Knox to the Seahawks, and Cribbs to the USFL. So yeah, Polian was definately lightning in a bottle. Polian hired Levy (Polian was a scout for KC when Levy coached the Chefs). Are you sure about that? I didn't think playoff stats counted towards contract incentives? I'm probably wrong but that just doesn't sound correct.
deluca67 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 It's 1:27 PM on Monday December 1st. How in the hell does Coach Dick< Jauron still have a job?
shrader Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 The coaching staff should be fired just on the basis of not giving the ball to Marshawn inside the five. Yesterday wasn't the first time it's happened either. You don't give the ball to your speed back in short-yardage situations - you give it to the Beast and let him carry someone into the end zone. It's not like Lynch has shown the ability to break a couple tackles here and there.... oh wait. It's 1:27 PM on Monday December 1st. How in the hell does Coach Dick< Jauron still have a job? Because Ralph would have to pay 2 people to do 1 job.
Claude Balls Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 The score says otherwise, and SF is the only WC team to win three timezones away this year. Buffalo (not the fans, but the organization) deserved to lose. SF certainly had better coaching, so IMHO, blame for the state of the Bills lies squarely on Ralph Wilson. Like I said.....#%^$#! flows downhill.
Claude Balls Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 1 Sep 07 ARI 23 @ SF 13 2 Sep 14 SF 33 @ SEA 30 3 Sep 21 DET 13 @ SF 31 4 Sep 28 SF 17 @ NO 31 5 Oct 05 NE 30 @ SF 21 6 Oct 12 PHI 40 @ SF 26 7 Oct 19 SF 17 @ NYG 29 8 Oct 26 SEA 34 @ SF 13 10 Nov 10 SF 24 @ ARI 29 11 Nov 16 STL 16 @ SF 35 Do the Bills win any of those games that SF didn't? Seattle maybe... Not with the coaching staff they have right now. You think the Bills would be 6-6 if Jeff Fischer had been coaching this team all year?
inkman Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 Not with the coaching staff they have right now. You think the Bills would be 6-6 if Jeff Fischer had been coaching this team all year? Shall we compare Tennessee's defensive personnel vs Buffalo: DL: Jevon Kearse>>>>>>>Schobel/Denney Tony Brown>>Kyle Williams Al Haynesworth>>>>>Marcus Stroud Kyle Vanden Bosch>>Chris Kelsay LB: David Thorton>>Kawika Mitchell Paul Pozlusny>Stephen Tulloch (maybe) Keith Bullock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Keith Ellison DB: Nick Harper=Terrence McGee Cortland Finnegan>>>Greer/McKelvin Donte Whitner>>Chris Hope Michael Griffin>Ko Simpson/Bryan Scott/George Wilson So is it a coaching thing or a lack of talent thing?
Knightrider Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 Are you sure about that? I didn't think playoff stats counted towards contract incentives? I'm probably wrong but that just doesn't sound correct. Nope. All I have is an increasingly faulty memory that being pulled out of the game was one of the reported reasons Cribbs jumped to the USFL... :ph34r: He did miss most of the second half of the Cinci game, but wiki says it was due to injury.
LabattBlue Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 I haven't been around long enough and never really cared enough about NFL history enough to know the answer to this one. In their entire NFL days, is there anything of value outside of those Polian/Levy years? The only thing I ever hear about from this team's history is that streak against Miami in the 70s. Really, what I'm getting at here is, does Wilson have a long history of this cheap hire game that he likes to play or is it just a product of today's economy in professional sports? I'd love to hear that the Polian/Levy hirings weren't just the Bills catching lightning in a bottle (not that I'm holding out much hope on hearing that answer). I just posted this on TSW... =============================================================== Out of 48 years of football, the Bills have made the playoffs 17 years and 8 of those years they were one and done. Let's face it, outside of the 64-65 championships teams, which most of us including myself don't remember(I was only 6) and the Kelly era, there have been few bright spots in the franchises history. Ralph should thank his lucky stars that the county, community businesses and the fan base continue to support him in a big way while he rolls around in the money he has made during his time as the Bills owner. I can't wait for the day the Bills have a new owner and IMO, no they won't be leaving Buffalo when this happens. =============================================================== Except for the Chuck Knox hire and the Saban stints which were always a love/hate relationship for Ralph, he has always gone on the cheap as far as hiring new coaches go and that hasn't changed in 48 years. Also, considering the Bills have not been anything special since Guy and Modrak were brought on board, it is mind boggling that they got promoted a year ago, when in reality they should have been sent packing when TD was shown the door.
shrader Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 And then there's that other reason why Bills fans are reacting the way they are. We're staring relocation right in the face. Yeah, none of us like to talk about it, but right now, it is more likely than it has ever been. Who knows how much time we have left to watch them continue to suck. No matter how unlikely many think it is, it has to be in the back of the minds of many fans.
Knightrider Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 Shall we compare Tennessee's defensive personnel vs Buffalo: DL: Jevon Kearse>>>>>>>Schobel/Denney Tony Brown>>Kyle Williams Al Haynesworth>>>>>Marcus Stroud Kyle Vanden Bosch>>Chris Kelsay LB: David Thorton>>Kawika Mitchell Paul Pozlusny>Stephen Tulloch (maybe) Keith Bullock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Keith Ellison DB: Nick Harper=Terrence McGee Cortland Finnegan>>>Greer/McKelvin Donte Whitner>>Chris Hope Michael Griffin>Ko Simpson/Bryan Scott/George Wilson So is it a coaching thing or a lack of talent thing? This is pretty questionable comparison since it is pretty tough to remove coaching from a player's performance. Kearse certainly wasn't all that great without Fischer. I'm not even sure I'd say Haynesworth is better than Stroud. When the Bills refuse to run the ball (12/17 plays in the 4th were pass, 3 went to Jackson, 1 to Lynch, and one miss FG) when they are averaging 6.2 ypa. That lack of committment is going to impact the effectiveness of the run D.
Claude Balls Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 Shall we compare Tennessee's defensive personnel vs Buffalo: DL: Jevon Kearse>>>>>>>Schobel/Denney Tony Brown>>Kyle Williams Al Haynesworth>>>>>Marcus Stroud Kyle Vanden Bosch>>Chris Kelsay LB: David Thorton>>Kawika Mitchell Paul Pozlusny>Stephen Tulloch (maybe) Keith Bullock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Keith Ellison DB: Nick Harper=Terrence McGee Cortland Finnegan>>>Greer/McKelvin Donte Whitner>>Chris Hope Michael Griffin>Ko Simpson/Bryan Scott/George Wilson So is it a coaching thing or a lack of talent thing? So you think the Dick is a better coach than Fischer? If that's the case I think the fumes from Thomas Austen are seeping into Marks a little too much. You can say just the opposite about the offenses, being that Buffalo has more talent on offense than Tenn. Especially on the o-line the WRs and RBs. It's just a case of utilizing the talent to the best of their abilities, in which case DJ and co. are clueless. When you have a Dick and a Turd running the show, bad things are bound to happen.
Bmwolf21 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 Shall we compare Tennessee's defensive personnel vs Buffalo: DL: Jevon Kearse>>>>>>>Schobel/Denney Tony Brown>>Kyle Williams Al Haynesworth>>>>>Marcus Stroud Kyle Vanden Bosch>>Chris Kelsay LB: David Thorton>>Kawika Mitchell Paul Pozlusny>Stephen Tulloch (maybe) Keith Bullock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Keith Ellison DB: Nick Harper=Terrence McGee Cortland Finnegan>>>Greer/McKelvin Donte Whitner>>Chris Hope Michael Griffin>Ko Simpson/Bryan Scott/George Wilson So is it a coaching thing or a lack of talent thing? There's got to be some consideration for each coach's respective influence on bringing in personnel, whether through free agency or the draft. I.E., does Fisher do a better job at scouting, drafting and developing than Dick and his staff do? My gut says yes.
shrader Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 There's got to be some consideration for each coach's respective influence on bringing in personnel, whether through free agency or the draft. I.E., does Fisher do a better job at scouting, drafting and developing than Dick and his staff do? My gut says yes. That seems like a tough comparison to make though. Yeah, a decent number of our players have been brought in during Jauron's 3 years here, but every single Titan has been brought in during Fishers 75 year's in Tennessee. No recent Bills coach has been able to put in very much time at all in that player development role (not that they've deserved that right).
inkman Posted December 1, 2008 Report Posted December 1, 2008 This is pretty questionable comparison since it is pretty tough to remove coaching from a player's performance. So you think the Dick is a better coach than Fischer? There's got to be some consideration for each coach's respective influence on bringing in personnel That seems like a tough comparison to make though. I'm certainly not endorsing Jauron. I'd just like to point out that Buffalo's talent is vastly over-rated.
Claude Balls Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 I'm certainly not endorsing Jauron. I'd just like to point out that Buffalo's talent is vastly over-rated. It certainly was after the first 6 games. I think the Bills have decent talent, but it's also been held back some with the conservative vanilla coaching that is going on. It would be interesting to see how they would look with a real coaching staff (i.e. Belichik, as much as I hate the prick). It's no coincidence that the special teams are pretty damn consistent year in and year out with having the same good coach, albeit with the exception of this past Sunday....cough....cough.
Bmwolf21 Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 It certainly was after the first 6 games. I think the Bills have decent talent, but it's also been held back some with the conservative vanilla coaching that is going on. It would be interesting to see how they would look with a real coaching staff (i.e. Belichik, as much as I hate the prick). It's no coincidence that the special teams are pretty damn consistent year in and year out with having the same good coach, albeit with the exception of this past Sunday....cough....cough. Agreed. They have some talent, some guys who can play, but they sure as hell don't have a coaching staff that puts them in the best possible position for success, and the staff doesn't do a good job of developing young talent.
Claude Balls Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 and the staff doesn't do a good job of developing young talent. What they do a good job at developing is.......headaches all across WNY each weekend. Marshawn Lynch averaging over 8 yards per carry through 3 quarters and in the fourth qtr with the game on the line, he gets the rock ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is absolutely retarded coaching if you ask me. WTF was Turd Schoenert thinking?
inkman Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 So do we hope for them to lose out and blow the whole thing up?
Claude Balls Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 So do we hope for them to lose out and blow the whole thing up? :thumbsup: C-4 baby.
Two or less Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 So do we hope for them to lose out and blow the whole thing up? I don't think their as bad as its record shows. They do have several HUUUUGE weaknesses/flows. And if this Trent Edwards is the true Trent Edwards, then we are in major trouble. But, i do think James Hardy will have a much more successful sophomore season. I think they can add to the offense in terms of tight end in the 3rd round or so or free agency. And they MUST fix the pass rush (or lack of). Drafting a blitzing DE or OLB is what the Bills need. Although, to be honest, right now, i'd much prefer Sam Bradford and sign DE in free agency.
inkman Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 They do have several HUUUUGE weaknesses Can't run block No pass rush Average WR No TE LB's too slow DL not good, at any position Coaching sucks at all phases So how is this going to be fixed in one season?
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