Trade Max!

[stenbaro]

Are you still hung up opn DB & CD? how bout Kalinin or Ryan?

 

I agree on the front office with you. I'd like to see a splash come this March if things are afloat, but I know it's not going to happen. The only thing I'll give Max is he'll draw a penalty or two a game. I'd like to see Max & Hank gone and perhaps bring in a rental and a Portland newbie.

 

Sounds like Gerbe could replace someone sooner than later, considering Stamkos, Schenn and alot others are gaining about 8 minutes plus a night experience. Meanwhile we got the Peters, Kaleta & Ellis a combined 27 games, zero points, -5.

 

No..I am hung up on...Mckee (Rivet) Dumont(Nobody) Grier(Paille) Drury(Roy) Brierre(Nobody)Roy(Nobody) Hecht(nobody) Campbell( Sekera)..I will explain as I am sure I confused you..

Basically when we lost all those players not in parenthesis they were replaced by the one in parenthesis.

I argue that Drury was replaced by Roy which left Roys old spot unfilled..Grier looks to have been replaced by Paille..I would argue at this point Pialle is not the player he replaced but not by much and sooner than later he will be a better player..Problem is he isnt right now. Same can be said for Campbell and Sekera. I think Rivet is an improvement over Mckee....But you still have holes where Dumont Brierre and Hecht were.Also Hecht is a much better winger than a center so moving him to fill Brierre spot hurt us not only where Brierre was but hurt us becasue now you have a lesser talent playing in Hechts spot..The trickle down results have been very costly..Could they have signed all those players? Probably not but they could have been replaced a whole lot more efficient had they forecasted the market and planned accordingly..Kinda like they are doing now..But it doesnt excuse them of ignoring it in the past..For that I argue is the reason we have a severly flawed team now that they are tryin to fix now...To move Max only creates another whole and if you think a young player is gonna come up here and notch 7 assists in the games he has played is ludicrous...Thats my point..

[cilevel]

Last night was not one of his better nights...

 

Honestly, no one was good for the Tampa game, I think it is hard to single out one guy and say trade him.

 

Not to burst any bubbles, but I don't think Max is going anywhere, and thus, the objective is to get him to play responsible.

[deluca67]

The man has seven assists..Sorry..Youre wrong..

7 points in 10 games and still a minus player. Including a -3 on the road which reminds of the Brian Murray quote when asked how to stop to Max, "get him on the road". Max is not now nor will he ever be a player you can count on. His time with the Sabres, and probably in the NHL, is running out. I would be shocked if Max isn't playing in Russia next season. My only hope is he takes Connolly with him. If anyone wants to blame management for not bringing in better forwards to help this team look no further then the $6 million wasted on Tim and Max as the main reasons why. The Sabres deserve every bit of criticism for those two contracts they get.

[cilevel]

7 points in 10 games and still a minus player. Including a -3 on the road which reminds of the Brian Murray quote when asked how to stop to Max, "get him on the road". Max is not now nor will he ever be a player you can count on. His time with the Sabres, and probably in the NHL, is running out. I would be shocked if Max isn't playing in Russia next season. My only hope is he takes Connolly with him. If anyone wants to blame management for not bringing in better forwards to help this team look no further then the $6 million wasted on Tim and Max as the main reasons why. The Sabres deserve every bit of criticism for those two contracts they get.

 

I tend to think his most likely path is to Russia as well. He was great right around the lock-out but as soon as the game got more clutch and grab (which it totally is, regardless of what the league brass says) he starts sinking. I think he really needs the larger ice surface to be effective. Just my opinion.

[carpandean]

I tend to think his most likely path is to Russia as well. He was great right around the lock-out but as soon as the game got more clutch and grab (which it totally is, regardless of what the league brass says) he starts sinking. I think he really needs the larger ice surface to be effective. Just my opinion.

Besides, as Semin said, Russians like beautiful hockey. No dump and chase, no clutch and grab. Sounds like a great place for Max.

[LabattBlue]

He never takes a shift off.Every shift he goes all out..

Skating circles around players with his skates moving 100mph in the neutral zone doesn't mean everything. What's he doing without the puck not only in the offensive zone, but more importantly, in his own zone?

[stenbaro]

7 points in 10 games and still a minus player. Including a -3 on the road which reminds of the Brian Murray quote when asked how to stop to Max, "get him on the road". Max is not now nor will he ever be a player you can count on. His time with the Sabres, and probably in the NHL, is running out. I would be shocked if Max isn't playing in Russia next season. My only hope is he takes Connolly with him. If anyone wants to blame management for not bringing in better forwards to help this team look no further then the $6 million wasted on Tim and Max as the main reasons why. The Sabres deserve every bit of criticism for those two contracts they get.

4 of his assists are on the power play which do not count for plus minus..He has 3 points playing on a regular shift..So on a 5 on 5 he is a minus 1..I will take him..I would much rather see him be a plus 18 but on this team thats not gonna happen.There are worse players on this team to get rid of... 4 points of his are at home 4 are on the road.

[deluca67]

4 of his assists are on the power play which do not count for plus minus..He has 3 points playing on a regular shift..So on a 5 on 5 he is a minus 1..I will take him..I would much rather see him be a plus 18 but on this team thats not gonna happen.There are worse players on this team to get rid of... 4 points of his are at home 4 are on the road.

Name them, keeping in mind cost. If Max was at $500k I would be all for letting him skate around 7-10 minutes a game. Not at $3.5 million.

 

also,

 

Your point total is a little off.

[darksabre]

Besides, as Semin said, Russians like beautiful hockey. No dump and chase, no clutch and grab. Sounds like a great place for Max.

 

If max would dump and chase once in a while, he would be so much more valuable to this team. The fact that he doesn't is simply ludicrous.

[Duck Farcey Tucker]

Just a friendly reminder when quoting Brian Murray. The quote should read:

<lisp> "get him on the road" </lisp>

[stenbaro]

Name them, keeping in mind cost. If Max was at $500k I would be all for letting him skate around 7-10 minutes a game. Not at $3.5 million.

 

also,

 

Your point total is a little off.

They are well under the cap, cost doesnt matter to me..They fill the stadium every game..Dont start that argument..Give me production...

[billsrcursed]

If max would dump and chase once in a while, he would be so much more valuable to this team. The fact that he doesn't is simply ludicrous.

 

Are you suggesting that Ruff is telling him to dump and chase and he is ignoring what's being told to him? Just a different perspective, but maybe he's being told to bring the puck in. Not that I agree with this, but I find it hard to believe he's simply refusing to listen to his coaches. I'm just as disappointed as every other Sabre fan about our recent play, I just won't buy into the idea that it's one player's fault. Especially a player who has 7 assists and, to me anyway, goes 100% every shift. I'd rather see him cough up the puck once in a while (it's not as often as some would suggest) and go 100% then see some of the less than stellar effort by some on this team. Sorry, but some guys are skating around like it's open skate night at the local rink, and they aren't being called out........

[carpandean]

They are well under the cap, cost doesnt matter to me..They fill the stadium every game..Dont start that argument..Give me production...

Yeah, but if TG says "our budget will be $52.5 million this year" (roughly their current salary) and they get a chance to bring in, say, a second-line center making $3.33 million (for example through trade of Stafford or some other prospect(s) with value), then they might have to pass on the trade. You may not have a problem with any amount as long as it is under the cap, but clearly the front office does with some higher amounts. As long as their is a budget or a cap that the team is currently up against, how a player performs must, at least to some degree, be looked at compared to what they are being paid. It's called an opportunity cost; i.e., what additional value could you get for the same amount of money.

[thesportsbuff]

jeez you guys just never quit. Max has been having a pretty good year.. maybe one game that can be considered "bad" but overall he's been average, and for two games in a row he had some real good shifts. pominville and roy have both been invisible, not saying to trade them obviously, but quit whipping on Max.

[BetweenThePipes00]

jeez you guys just never quit. Max has been having a pretty good year.. maybe one game that can be considered "bad" but overall he's been average, and for two games in a row he had some real good shifts. pominville and roy have both been invisible, not saying to trade them obviously, but quit whipping on Max.

 

I can't speak for everyone, but personally it has as much or more to do with the fact he is in the last year of his deal and they have a glut of forwards (I know DeLuca, they have a glut of average forwards ... whatever) ... those other guys are locked up and part of the future, that decision has been made. Obviously they do not feel the same about max or they would be talking extension. He has been decent, but macArthur has been at least as good ond once hecht comes back, someone has to come out. if they can get something for Max, I say do it.

[wjag]

jeez you guys just never quit. Max has been having a pretty good year.. maybe one game that can be considered "bad" but overall he's been average, and for two games in a row he had some real good shifts. pominville and roy have both been invisible, not saying to trade them obviously, but quit whipping on Max.

:thumbsup:

 

Aren't many Max supporters left here... I think Max does what is asked of him. He needs to tighten up his stick handling and start scoring goals. But you can say that about a few other Sabres as well..

[el_Polako]

<-- Still a Max fan.

 

He does what's needed. Currently he's contributing big time distributing the assists.

Max assisted on both of Mair's goals, he set up the play that started of the scoring frenzy vs Minn.

Had a huge play vs Boston to help Rivet setup MacArthur on that PP to get things going.

 

Most goal scorers don't score unassisted.

[BamBam]

I still want to believe that he creates room to work for others on the ice but over the last couple years he has proven that he can't finish.

 

Alot of people wanted Andreychuk run out of town years (On two different occasions). Nonstop calls to the local radio shows, etc.

Each time we got rid of him proved to be a mistake.

 

This time around though its no mistake. The problem though is that MAX has no value.

 

With our D corps looking the way it is, and with our ability to make trades with the teams in the West, I wouldn't mind us taking a run at Ohlund with the Canucks. I realize it would take a lot more then Max, but never the less its a start.

[Guest Sloth]

<-- Still a Max fan.

 

He does what's needed. Currently he's contributing big time distributing the assists.

Max assisted on both of Mair's goals, he set up the play that started of the scoring frenzy vs Minn.

Had a huge play vs Boston to help Rivet setup MacArthur on that PP to get things going.

 

Most goal scorers don't score unassisted.

 

Max does get a lot of plays started. I'm still a Max supporter.

[darksabre]

Are you suggesting that Ruff is telling him to dump and chase and he is ignoring what's being told to him? Just a different perspective, but maybe he's being told to bring the puck in. Not that I agree with this, but I find it hard to believe he's simply refusing to listen to his coaches. I'm just as disappointed as every other Sabre fan about our recent play, I just won't buy into the idea that it's one player's fault. Especially a player who has 7 assists and, to me anyway, goes 100% every shift. I'd rather see him cough up the puck once in a while (it's not as often as some would suggest) and go 100% then see some of the less than stellar effort by some on this team. Sorry, but some guys are skating around like it's open skate night at the local rink, and they aren't being called out........

 

Nahh, I doubt he is disobeying Lindy. If he was he'd be riding the pine. I think if anything Lindy has given up on him and just figures work around what we know he is going to do: leg it in.

 

I admit, he's looked better than last year. He has been making a few more plays during games that make me go "woah, that was actually a smart decision!" And the 7 assists aren't bad either. I'm just not convinced that he is playing to the best of his ability. Other teams know what he's going to do and blasting into the opposing zone doesn't work as well as it used to. He needs to mix it up a bit and try some new tricks before I'll be convinced of his worth.

[billsrcursed]

Nahh, I doubt he is disobeying Lindy. If he was he'd be riding the pine. I think if anything Lindy has given up on him and just figures work around what we know he is going to do: leg it in.

 

I admit, he's looked better than last year. He has been making a few more plays during games that make me go "woah, that was actually a smart decision!" And the 7 assists aren't bad either. I'm just not convinced that he is playing to the best of his ability. Other teams know what he's going to do and blasting into the opposing zone doesn't work as well as it used to. He needs to mix it up a bit and try some new tricks before I'll be convinced of his worth.

 

I agree. I think the way Max is playing this year is what we're going to get. I'd like to see him score more, and I wish he could get on a line and stay with them so they could all get used to playing with each other, but it is what it is. It just seems like a big waste of talent to not maximize his speed more.....either way, I think when Hecht gets back Max is gonna be the odd man out. Some will argue Stafford should sit, but overall I think Drew has mor potential, he just needs to play more consistently. I guess we'll see.

[el_Polako]

I think when Hecht gets back Max is gonna be the odd man out. Some will argue Stafford should sit, but overall I think Drew has mor potential, he just needs to play more consistently. I guess we'll see.

 

I totally agree and if i have to sit one or the other i'd sit Max for now, Drew is a much younger and would be a lot more beneficial if he developed since Max at his age isn't really going to develop any further.

 

Oh but to answer the original question here.. if you can get a fairly good return in Max i'd do it. The rumor with Colorado was that they would give us Wolski or Stastny, i'd do it in a heart beat.

[2ForTripping]

I believe the "rumor" involved Max for Marek Svatos

[carpandean]

I believe the "rumor" involved Max for Marek Svatos

Yeah, I jokingly said Darcy should agree to Max for Svatos, but write in Stastny and hope nobody notices. Next thing I knew, the rumor was Max for Stastny. :doh:

[deluca67]

I believe the "rumor" involved Max for Marek Svatos

I think at this point anything higher that a late draft pick is nothing more than wishful thinking. I can't imagine any team wanting to invest the money in Max. With a spotty playoff history it's not like a team loading up for the playoffs is going think "we need this guy".

 

With that said, I doubt the Sabres sit him if healthy. It still has to be in the back of their minds that a trade may be a possibility. Sitting will only lower his value.