Bertuzzi a nice guy?

[MarkAF43]

Jim Kelley says no

 

 

Interesting piece on how Bertuzzi is portrayed as a good guy who "made a mistake". I for one cannot wait until Steve Moore gets his day in court

[LabattBlue]

Good article. Letting guys like Jim Kelley and Vic Carucci go has really hurt the Buffalo News Sports section. :(

[SwampD]

Good article. Letting guys like Jim Kelley and Vic Carucci go has really hurt the Buffalo News Sports section. :(

I really miss (I think it was called) Sharp Shooters on Empire. Howard Simon, Jim Kelly and Roby had some great talks about hockey, not just the Sabres

[rickshaw]

Bertuzzi was sticking up for a teammate. He followed Moore all over the ice and was clearly telling him it was time to man up. Moore chose not to.

The punch is something you see almost every game in this league. The unfortunate part was that the punch knocked Moore out and then all the bodies that fell on top of him, caused him to break a few vertebrae.

 

99 times out of 100, all that punch does is knock Moore down and a big melee ensues. That's it. The incident is over and it was unfortunate. It's too bad what happened to Moore, but truthfully, the guy knew the score and him fighting Matt Cooke and winning, didn't absolve him from the Naslund hit. He should have turned and grappled with Big Bert. It wouldn't have been a fight anyway because again, the AVS would have piled in to save his butt.

 

Bertuzzi has suffered in a way that Moore hasn't. Bertuzzi has to live with what he did. He's not happy about ending someone's career. He's got a wife and kids and this will never go away. He deserves a second chance. It's over and done with. Moore deserves compensation. End of story.

 

But the amound of money Moore is asking for is ridiculous. The guy may not even be in today's league. He was a borderline 4th liner on a very good team. He deserves something though.

[MarkAF43]

Bertuzzi was sticking up for a teammate. He followed Moore all over the ice and was clearly telling him it was time to man up. Moore chose not to.

The punch is something you see almost every game in this league. The unfortunate part was that the punch knocked Moore out and then all the bodies that fell on top of him, caused him to break a few vertebrae.

 

99 times out of 100, all that punch does is knock Moore down and a big melee ensues. That's it. The incident is over and it was unfortunate. It's too bad what happened to Moore, but truthfully, the guy knew the score and him fighting Matt Cooke and winning, didn't absolve him from the Naslund hit. He should have turned and grappled with Big Bert. It wouldn't have been a fight anyway because again, the AVS would have piled in to save his butt.

 

Bertuzzi has suffered in a way that Moore hasn't. Bertuzzi has to live with what he did. He's not happy about ending someone's career. He's got a wife and kids and this will never go away. He deserves a second chance. It's over and done with. Moore deserves compensation. End of story.

 

But the amound of money Moore is asking for is ridiculous. The guy may not even be in today's league. He was a borderline 4th liner on a very good team. He deserves something though.

 

 

 

Are you kidding me? Moore can never play again, bertuzzi has returned, Moore chose not to fight, which he has that right to do.... i am tired of people whining about bertuzzi living everyday with what he did..... Moore has to think about it but in a way where he will never be the same because of a cheap shot by a dirty player

[inkman]

The punch is something you see almost every game in this league.

 

Right here is where you lost me. I can't recall seeing many if any round houses to the back of the players head who wasn't already engaged in a fight. there are ways to go about exacting revenge in the NHL. The Laraque conversation in the other thread depicts a good example of this. Bertuzzi could have taken a run at a number of players and it would have been viewed as settled. Instead, he went outside the lines of the code and acted irresponsibley.

[Kristian]

Personally, I couldn't give a crying rats ass if Bertuzzi "has to live with what he did".

 

I honestly don't think that's very difficult for him. There, I said it.

 

All this "I'm sorry" BS, IMHO is nothing more than an act, cause if he DIDN'T put on that show, he knows he'd never play in this league again.

 

Did he mean to break Moore's neck? Of course not, it was a freak accident that happened on a cheapshot that, while dangerous, happens all the time without consequences as severe as this.

 

Is it haunting him in any way that some guy will never play another hockey game because of something he did? I highly doubt it.

 

It's time all these psycho nut-jobs were weeded out of this sport, and let us watch some hardnosed but CLEAN hockey.

 

I'm sick of cheapshots.

[Two or less]

I really miss (I think it was called) Sharp Shooters on Empire. Howard Simon, Jim Kelly and Roby had some great talks about hockey, not just the Sabres

 

Yes, best show ever. It was on WNSA but Empire broadcast it for tv.

[apuszczalowski]

Bertuzzi was sticking up for a teammate. He followed Moore all over the ice and was clearly telling him it was time to man up. Moore chose not to.

The punch is something you see almost every game in this league. The unfortunate part was that the punch knocked Moore out and then all the bodies that fell on top of him, caused him to break a few vertebrae.

 

99 times out of 100, all that punch does is knock Moore down and a big melee ensues. That's it. The incident is over and it was unfortunate. It's too bad what happened to Moore, but truthfully, the guy knew the score and him fighting Matt Cooke and winning, didn't absolve him from the Naslund hit. He should have turned and grappled with Big Bert. It wouldn't have been a fight anyway because again, the AVS would have piled in to save his butt.

 

Bertuzzi has suffered in a way that Moore hasn't. Bertuzzi has to live with what he did. He's not happy about ending someone's career. He's got a wife and kids and this will never go away. He deserves a second chance. It's over and done with. Moore deserves compensation. End of story.

 

But the amound of money Moore is asking for is ridiculous. The guy may not even be in today's league. He was a borderline 4th liner on a very good team. He deserves something though.

Sadly, i think we are in the very small minority here cause I do agree with some of this.

 

While I don't agree with throwing a "cheapshot" to the back of someones head and no one deserves to be seriously injured/lose their career, Moore is not as inocent as some try and make him out to be. He took a run at someone. One of the other teams players was out to get revenge on him for taking a run at one of their team leaders. Moore backed away and wanted no part in something he started. Bertuzzi wasn't going to let him just walk away and figured fighting someone else wasn't going to solve it, so he tried to force Moore into the fight.

 

To go fight there enforcer or another "tough guy" would be like me going up and pushing your mom, so when you come after me to get revenge, I say I'm not going to fight, so instead you go fight my brother who is willing to fight to get revenge.

 

The entire incident was an unfortunate accident how it ended, and Bertuzzi should not be considered innocent in all of it, but neither is Moore, and now he is just trying to make a profit off the situation and get revenge financially.

[Goodfella25]

Sadly, i think we are in the very small minority here cause I do agree with some of this.

 

While I don't agree with throwing a "cheapshot" to the back of someones head and no one deserves to be seriously injured/lose their career, Moore is not as inocent as some try and make him out to be. He took a run at someone. One of the other teams players was out to get revenge on him for taking a run at one of their team leaders. Moore backed away and wanted no part in something he started. Bertuzzi wasn't going to let him just walk away and figured fighting someone else wasn't going to solve it, so he tried to force Moore into the fight.

 

To go fight there enforcer or another "tough guy" would be like me going up and pushing your mom, so when you come after me to get revenge, I say I'm not going to fight, so instead you go fight my brother who is willing to fight to get revenge.

 

The entire incident was an unfortunate accident how it ended, and Bertuzzi should not be considered innocent in all of it, but neither is Moore, and now he is just trying to make a profit off the situation and get revenge financially.

 

Oh boy, he took a "run at someone". Big deal. Naslund chose to play the sport of hockey, a contact sport. Is he immune from being hit because he'a a skill player? That is a bunch of baloney. Why didn't Naslund just fight him if it is all about fairness and a score needed to be settled? Maybe Naslund should have "manned up" in the situation.

 

There is no excuse for what Bertuzzi did. None at all. And why shouldn't Moore try to get revenge financially? His career was cut short because somone cheap shotted him and broke his neck.

[apuszczalowski]

Oh boy, he took a "run at someone". Big deal. Naslund chose to play the sport of hockey, a contact sport. Is he immune from being hit because he'a a skill player? That is a bunch of baloney. Why didn't Naslund just fight him if it is all about fairness and a score needed to be settled? Maybe Naslund should have "manned up" in the situation.

 

There is no excuse for what Bertuzzi did. None at all. And why shouldn't Moore try to get revenge financially? His career was cut short because somone cheap shotted him and broke his neck.

He isn't immune from contact, but its a well known fact, in most sports, not just hockey, that if you take a run at one of our best players and leaders, you better be ready to stand up and answer back.

 

I believe Naslund left the game and he couldn't do anything. Plus, Naslund isn't much of a physical type player. Moore knew that if he took a shot at someone like Naslund, he would have to answer for it, but instead he just tried to skate away like nothing happened and not face the consequences of doing what he did.

 

I'm guessing you don't have a problem that if someone took a run at Miller, or Vanek, or Roy, or Pommers and the rest of the Sabres did nothing to the person who did it cause "Its a contact sport that they chose to play"

 

If you can't accept the consequences (i.e. having to answer by manning up and fighting), then you shouldn't be going around acting tough and throwing hits, nowing that if you run a teams leader, you will more then likely have to face some consequences from the other team

[MarkAF43]

He isn't immune from contact, but its a well known fact, in most sports, not just hockey, that if you take a run at one of our best players and leaders, you better be ready to stand up and answer back.

 

I believe Naslund left the game and he couldn't do anything. Plus, Naslund isn't much of a physical type player. Moore knew that if he took a shot at someone like Naslund, he would have to answer for it, but instead he just tried to skate away like nothing happened and not face the consequences of doing what he did.

 

I'm guessing you don't have a problem that if someone took a run at Miller, or Vanek, or Roy, or Pommers and the rest of the Sabres did nothing to the person who did it cause "Its a contact sport that they chose to play"

 

If you can't accept the consequences (i.e. having to answer by manning up and fighting), then you shouldn't be going around acting tough and throwing hits, nowing that if you run a teams leader, you will more then likely have to face some consequences from the other team

 

 

Apus, a hit is one thing, moore did not deserve to be sucker punched from behind and then have bertuzzi collapse in a piledriver like move on top of him. Hockey ethics aside, ( not hitting stars) it was a cowardly act by a consistently dirty player in the league and he should pay the price for it

[apuszczalowski]

Apus, a hit is one thing, moore did not deserve to be sucker punched from behind and then have bertuzzi collapse in a piledriver like move on top of him. Hockey ethics aside, ( not hitting stars) it was a cowardly act by a consistently dirty player in the league and he should pay the price for it

I never said bertuzzi was innocent, and I don't agree with Sucker punching the guy. If Moore would have stood up and been a man though (He can go around laying hits but runs when someone comes for him?) and fought Bertuzzi, it wouldn't have got that far.

 

He didn't deserve to have his neck broken, but that was never the intention of the incident, that was just one of the freak accidental parts of the incident. Bertuzzi fell over from his swin when Moore collapsed. He didn't intentionally try and drive him into the ice. Plus no one knows what actually did the damage, the hit, the fall, or the doggie pile afterwards.

 

My point was only that Bertuzzi is not completly innocent, and neither is Moore. But the serious injury was just an accidental part of that incident

[inkman]

If Moore would have stood up and been a man though (He can go around laying hits but runs when someone comes for him?) and fought Bertuzzi, it wouldn't have got that far.

This brings me to this: What do you think of Patrick Kaleta?

[MarkAF43]

I never said bertuzzi was innocent, and I don't agree with Sucker punching the guy. If Moore would have stood up and been a man though (He can go around laying hits but runs when someone comes for him?) and fought Bertuzzi, it wouldn't have got that far.

 

 

He could have manned up, challenged him and when Moore backed down, then let Moore deal with the after-effects of being a coward and not fighting him. Hockey is a contact sport and if Moore decides to try and hit Naslund he shouldn't have to defend himself with a fight because he was playing a physical game. Hitting is a part of the game, and the fights should be left to the fighters, not just because a guy threw a body check at someone.

[Bmwolf21]

If you can't accept the consequences (i.e. having to answer by manning up and fighting), then you shouldn't be going around acting tough and throwing hits, nowing that if you run a teams leader, you will more then likely have to face some consequences from the other team

How many times does he have to man up and fight afterwards? Twice, three times, 10?

 

Bert jumped him in the third period, two periods AFTER Moore had already dropped the gloves with Matt Cooke, a fact often conveniently overlooked.

 

Here's the box score that shows the fights, and you can read in the recap that he already fought in the first period. Guess it wasn't over then, huh? Cooke didn't beat him up enough for Bert's liking? That hit on Naslund gives the Canucks carte blanche to stalk and harrass him for the rest of the year, season, career?

[LabattBlue]

All Bertuzzi had to do was grab Moore and spin him around before swinging. The only thing Moore is guilty of, is having a crazy bastard lose his mind and cause him his career in the NHL.

[Goodfella25]

No, Moore actually is completely innocent. He threw a legal and CLEAN hit on Naslund. Nothing in the rule book against that. I also don't see a rule that says you absolutely must fight to prove you're "a man", and I certainly don't see anything that says sucker punching is allowed. I am sure you like Patrick Kaleta--he throws big hits all the time but hardly ever fights. Is he not a man?

 

The NHL gave Bertuzzi a slap on the wrist for ending the career of another player. It shouldn't matter what skill level that player was--it is unacceptable, whether he was a 4th line grinder or a superstar. I still think Bertuzzi should have been banned from the NHL, just like Chris Simon should have been banned even before he signed in Russia this past offseason.

 

I know what you are saying about fighting to respond to a hit, but I really don't think someone should have to fight for throwing a CLEAN hit. It is one of the things I have grown sick of when watching hockey. If I saw one of the Sabres get hit cleanly, I wouldn't expect us to go jumping the opposing player. You think about the Ovechkin hit on Briere, and the Neil hit on Drury if you want recent examples. Those players deserved to be jumped, because they threw cheap shots. I didn't see anyone jump Peter Schaefer when he crushed Tim Connolly...why do you think that was? Clean. Nothing you can do.

 

The big factor here is whether or not it is a clean play. Clearly the Moore hit was clean and within the rules, and just as clearly, the Bertuzzi punch was one of the dirtiest cheap shots in the history of sports.