Who's subject to waivers if sent down?

[Barnabov]

Sorry for being too dumb and/or lazy to research this myself but could someone fill me in on which bubble players can be sent down at the end of training camp without having to clear waivers and who would be in jeopardy of being picked up. Am particularly interested to know if Clarke Mac is still exempt. If he's not, I hope they waive Peters of someone who it wouldn't be a loss should they get snagged (not likely with Peters anyway). Weber is definitely exempt but am not sure about Sekera - what's the number of games limit or isn't more than 3 years something like that.

 

Appreciate the clarification.

[Barnabov]

Come on - doesn't anyone know a quick answer to this? If MacArthur would be at risk of being lost in waivers then he definitely makes the team. That leaves us with about 14 forwards, 7 D (with Weber being sent down assuming Paetsch spends a lot of time in the press box) and 2 goalies. If Afinogenov gets traded or Connolly gets injured, then MacArthur is a shoo-in but otherwise he's probably going down (I hope Kaleta plays 82 games with the big club this year).

[LabattBlue]

Sorry for being too dumb and/or lazy to research this myself but could someone fill me in on which bubble players can be sent down at the end of training camp without having to clear waivers and who would be in jeopardy of being picked up. Am particularly interested to know if Clarke Mac is still exempt. If he's not, I hope they waive Peters of someone who it wouldn't be a loss should they get snagged (not likely with Peters anyway). Weber is definitely exempt but am not sure about Sekera - what's the number of games limit or isn't more than 3 years something like that.

 

Appreciate the clarification.

MacArthur is not exempt from waivers. Not sure about any of the other signed prospects.

[spndnchz]

Come on - doesn't anyone know a quick answer to this? If MacArthur would be at risk of being lost in waivers then he definitely makes the team. That leaves us with about 14 forwards, 7 D (with Weber being sent down assuming Paetsch spends a lot of time in the press box) and 2 goalies. If Afinogenov gets traded or Connolly gets injured, then MacArthur is a shoo-in but otherwise he's probably going down (I hope Kaleta plays 82 games with the big club this year).

Section 13 of the CBA, it's like 7 pages long. GFGI

 

My quick answer would be Darche, Kaleta, MacArthur, Sekera, Weber, Funk Gragnani are all safe.

[LabattBlue]

http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/cba/archive/cba/article13.html

 

 

Start reading at 13.4. Me? I'll wait for Dave/Taro to summarize it! :thumbsup:

[Two or less]

Section 13 of the CBA, it's like 7 pages long. GFGI

 

My quick answer would be Darche, Kaleta, MacArthur, Sekera, Weber, Funk Gragnani are all safe.

 

I'm pretty sure MacArthur has to go thru waivers because he's played over 50 NHL games.

[spndnchz]

I'm pretty sure MacArthur has to go thru waivers because he's played over 50 NHL games.

Depends on what you mean by "played". He can go fly a kite for all I care.

[LabattBlue]

Depends on what you mean by "played". He can go fly a kite for all I care.

Should this go in the complaint thread? :)

[Barnabov]

Section 13 of the CBA, it's like 7 pages long. GFGI

 

My quick answer would be Darche, Kaleta, MacArthur, Sekera, Weber, Funk Gragnani are all safe.

 

 

Ok - didn't really have time to read that but looks like at age 23, Clarke is exempt from waivers since he's played less than 60 games. Now my head hurts from all that legalese - hope your happy! On the positive note, I googled GFGI to see what it means and now have an expanded vocabulary

[carpandean]

On the positive note, I googled GFGI to see what it means and now have an expanded vocabulary

Ground Fault Gircuit Interrupter?

 

;)

[shrader]

I'm not going to try to make any kind of table here, but I'll do my best. There are two criteria for eligibility. Whatever comes first, a certain number of years as a professional or a certain number of games played at the NHL level. Once a player has hit one of those numbers, they are no longer exempt from waivers. The cutoffs are determined by the player's age when he signed his first contract (his age on 9/15 in the calendar year when he signs that contract). For the number of years, that counts the NHL or AHL level. Once they've signed with the NHL team, the clock starts ticking.

 

I hope this will come across when I post it:

 

For skaters:

Age, Years, Games Played

19, 4, 160

20, 3, 160

 

None of the potential guys on this team come close to the games played, so all that matters is the years. Of the players mentioned earlier in this thread:

-Exempt from waivers: Funk, Gragnani, Kaleta, Sekera, Weber

-Must clear waivers: MacArthur, Darche, Mancari

 

The numbers are different for goalies, but long story short, this won't be an issue with this team. Miller and Lalime will never be sent down and Enroth is nowhere near the point where he'd have to clear waivers.

 

Feel free to throw other names out there and I should be able to give their status.

[LabattBlue]

I'm not going to try to make any kind of table here, but I'll do my best. There are two criteria for eligibility. Whatever comes first, a certain number of years as a professional or a certain number of games played at the NHL level. Once a player has hit one of those numbers, they are no longer exempt from waivers. The cutoffs are determined by the player's age when he signed his first contract (his age on 9/15 in the calendar year when he signs that contract). For the number of years, that counts the NHL or AHL level. Once they've signed with the NHL team, the clock starts ticking.

 

I hope this will come across when I post it:

 

For skaters:

Age, Years, Games Played

19, 4, 160

20, 3, 160

 

None of the potential guys on this team come close to the games played, so all that matters is the years. Of the players mentioned earlier in this thread:

-Exempt from waivers: Funk, Gragnani, Kaleta, Sekera, Weber

-Must clear waivers: MacArthur, Darche, Mancari

 

The numbers are different for goalies, but long story short, this won't be an issue with this team. Miller and Lalime will never be sent down and Enroth is nowhere near the point where he'd have to clear waivers.

 

Feel free to throw other names out there and I should be able to give their status.

Thanks for the clarification! :thumbsup:

[Taro T]

I'm not going to try to make any kind of table here, but I'll do my best. There are two criteria for eligibility. Whatever comes first, a certain number of years as a professional or a certain number of games played at the NHL level. Once a player has hit one of those numbers, they are no longer exempt from waivers. The cutoffs are determined by the player's age when he signed his first contract (his age on 9/15 in the calendar year when he signs that contract). For the number of years, that counts the NHL or AHL level. Once they've signed with the NHL team, the clock starts ticking.

 

I hope this will come across when I post it:

 

For skaters:

Age, Years, Games Played

19, 4, 160

20, 3, 160

 

None of the potential guys on this team come close to the games played, so all that matters is the years. Of the players mentioned earlier in this thread:

-Exempt from waivers: Funk, Gragnani, Kaleta, Sekera, Weber

-Must clear waivers: MacArthur, Darche, Mancari

 

The numbers are different for goalies, but long story short, this won't be an issue with this team. Miller and Lalime will never be sent down and Enroth is nowhere near the point where he'd have to clear waivers.

 

Feel free to throw other names out there and I should be able to give their status.

Shrader,

 

Thanks for posting this. Not sure why everybody seems to think I am the only one here who has looked at the CBA. You and spndnchz are normally spot on on interpretations. :thumbsup:

[darksabre]

Ground Fault Gircuit Interrupter?

 

;)

 

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[spndnchz]

Ground Fault Gircuit Interrupter?

 

;)

Got Food Good Imthere :ph34r: :thumbsup:

[carpandean]

Got Food Good Imthere :ph34r: :thumbsup:

Look at that, a fridge full of food ...

[LabattBlue]

Not sure why everybody seems to think I am the only one here who has looked at the CBA.

Once you get a reputation, it's hard to shake it! :D

[inkman]

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I thought it was:

 

 

Good For Genitalia Insertion

[shrader]

Shrader,

 

Thanks for posting this. Not sure why everybody seems to think I am the only one here who has looked at the CBA. You and spndnchz are normally spot on on interpretations. :thumbsup:

 

I still feel very sorry for the few people I know who had to read every single page of that document. All that legal speak drives me crazy. Stuff like this is fine, but I'll leave most of the money stuff, the revenue sharing and all of that to you. I'll put my head through a wall if I ever try to read that stuff.

[nucci]

Come on - doesn't anyone know a quick answer to this? If MacArthur would be at risk of being lost in waivers then he definitely makes the team. That leaves us with about 14 forwards, 7 D (with Weber being sent down assuming Paetsch spends a lot of time in the press box) and 2 goalies. If Afinogenov gets traded or Connolly gets injured, then MacArthur is a shoo-in but otherwise he's probably going down (I hope Kaleta plays 82 games with the big club this year).

Why would a guy make the team just because he could be lost to waivers? Who would you cut to keep the mighty MacArthur?

[shrader]

Why would a guy make the team just because he could be lost to waivers? Who would you cut to keep the mighty MacArthur?

 

The max roster is 23. The team usually carries 22, 13 forwards, 7 defensemen and 2 goalies. Assuming Peters is that one forward in the pressbox (because we all know he's not going anywhere) and no other trades/signings are made, that leaves MacArthur, Kaleta and Mancari fighting it out for the last spot. I'm also going ahead and assuming that none of the kids step up right away, which seems like a safe bet to me. MacArthur and Mancari would have to clear waivers while Kaleta wouldn't.

 

If they actually bumped up to a full roster, which maybe they might do this year now that our affiliate is much further away, they would most likely attempt to send Mancari down. If not, they will more than likely send Kaleta down so they don't have to risk losing one of the other two (MacArthur). Injuries will happen at some point, so why risk losing someone who can contribute at the NHL level so early in the season?

 

Of course, someone could step up and have a monster training camp, blowing up these scenarios.

[nucci]

The max roster is 23. The team usually carries 22, 13 forwards, 7 defensemen and 2 goalies. Assuming Peters is that one forward in the pressbox (because we all know he's not going anywhere) and no other trades/signings are made, that leaves MacArthur, Kaleta and Mancari fighting it out for the last spot. I'm also going ahead and assuming that none of the kids step up right away, which seems like a safe bet to me. MacArthur and Mancari would have to clear waivers while Kaleta wouldn't.

 

If they actually bumped up to a full roster, which maybe they might do this year now that our affiliate is much further away, they would most likely attempt to send Mancari down. If not, they will more than likely send Kaleta down so they don't have to risk losing one of the other two (MacArthur). Injuries will happen at some point, so why risk losing someone who can contribute at the NHL level so early in the season?

 

Of course, someone could step up and have a monster training camp, blowing up these scenarios.

Agree but I still prefer to keep someone who will be effective and do not want to keep someone just so we don't lose him. Guess I'm just not a big fan of MacArthur.

[shrader]

Agree but I still prefer to keep someone who will be effective and do not want to keep someone just so we don't lose him. Guess I'm just not a big fan of MacArthur.

 

We're talking about filling the last slot in the lineup and possible a spot in the pressbox. Ultimately it really doesn't mean all that much. There will be plenty of flights between Portland and Buffalo this year and I want as much depth as possible when that eventual injury hits.

[nucci]

We're talking about filling the last slot in the lineup and possible a spot in the pressbox. Ultimately it really doesn't mean all that much. There will be plenty of flights between Portland and Buffalo this year and I want as much depth as possible when that eventual injury hits.

Yep, you're right.