What would you think about Bryan McCabe?

[tom webster]

What would you think about Bryan McCabe?

Cap hit of $5.75 but three years left with one at around $6 million and 2 at $4.150.

Has been at or close to a plus player on terrible teams.

Great power play guy.

Penalty minutes suggests and edge although Leafs will tell you he takes a lot of bad penalties.

Wants to stay close to Toronto.

Fletcher on record as saying he doesn't expect much of a return and expects to take salary back( sound familiar)

[Taro T]

What would you think about Bryan McCabe?

Cap hit of $5.75 but three years left with one at around $6 million and 2 at $4.150.

Has been at or close to a plus player on terrible teams.

Great power play guy.

Penalty minutes suggests and edge although Leafs will tell you he takes a lot of bad penalties.

Wants to stay close to Toronto.

Fletcher on record as saying he doesn't expect much of a return and expects to take salary back( sound familiar)

Never been overly impressed by him (even though I typically have him on my fantasy team, go figure).

 

I know they give him a ton of pk time, so they must think he's solid in his own end. But it always seems to me that he's on the ice when that critical error that dooms the Loafs occurs. Or he seems to take the boneheaded penalty (which I guess would be the critical error) that dooms the Loafs.

 

He definitely has a good shot on the pp.

 

Always felt that he seems to be looking for a play that isn't necessarily there and that he looks for the shot when it isn't there. But as mentioned, the way the Loafs use him, I don't know that they'd agree w/ my perception. Always felt he was WAY overpaid, but as salaries come up to his level, now I guess he's just overpaid.

 

I'd rather have his partner Kaberle.

[X. Benedict]

If Toronto buys him out I could live with it.

But I can't say I really think McCabe is that dangerous on the PP, or that I like his play skating backwards.

I actually think he is a very underated penalty killer ...which is something Buffalo could use.

 

Hard for me to imagine any Leaf in Buffalo....but it could work.

[chileanseabass]

i'd rather see bryan berard in a sabres uniform.

[stenbaro]

If Toronto buys him out I could live with it.

But I can't say I really think McCabe is that dangerous on the PP, or that I like his play skating backwards.

I actually think he is a very underated penalty killer ...which is something Buffalo could use.

 

Hard for me to imagine any Leaf in Buffalo....but it could work.

There really hasnt been but only a few former Leafs in Sabre unis (vaive, Imlach) but there seems to have been quite a few former Sabres going to the Leafs...

[Taro T]

There really hasnt been but only a few former Leafs in Sabre unis (vaive, Imlach) but there seems to have been quite a few former Sabres going to the Leafs...

There've been a few more over the years:

 

Horton,

Fuhr,

Hannon,

Franceschetti,

Spencer,

Floyd Smith,

Al Smith

 

I'm sure there were several others. Those are the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.

[darksabre]

i'd rather see bryan berard in a sabres uniform.

 

I've been saying this for months! :chris:

[tom webster]

If Toronto buys him out I could live with it.

But I can't say I really think McCabe is that dangerous on the PP, or that I like his play skating backwards.

I actually think he is a very underated penalty killer ...which is something Buffalo could use.

 

Hard for me to imagine any Leaf in Buffalo....but it could work.

 

Taro can correct me on this, but I believe that the buy out period has passed and the only other time you can only buy players out if an arbiter's decision put you over the cap and that would also not apply.

Your only option would be McCabe at roughly $14.5 million for three years with a $5.75 cap hit.

[Taro T]

Taro can correct me on this, but I believe that the buy out period has passed and the only other time you can only buy players out if an arbiter's decision put you over the cap and that would also not apply.

Your only option would be McCabe at roughly $14.5 million for three years with a $5.75 cap hit.

I haven't looked closely at the details of buyouts in a while, but what you write appears to be correct.

[carpandean]

Not sure I would want him at that salary/cap hit, but who would you trade back? If you say Max, that leaves two problems:

1) Too many defensemen for not enough spots. Weber is already likely to be in Portland to start.

2) In real cap trouble in 2009-10 and way over any likely budget, since Max isn't on the books for that year and McCabe has a big cap hit (salary is a little better).

 

Maybe just Lydman or Tallinder? Either would free up a spot on D and take some hit off of '09-'10. Toronto seems to have a lot of centers on their roster (Antropov, Stajan, Steen, Tlusty, Moore, Devereaux, not to mention Sundin if he returns), none of which are paid very much or over 30 years old (Sundin, aside), and they traded for a couple more (Grabovski, Hollweg). Maybe McCabe/(center) for Max/Lydman, or something like that?

[vasabresfan]

There've been a few more over the years:Horton,Fuhr,Hannon,Franceschetti,Spencer,Floyd Smith,Al SmithI'm sure there were several others.? Those are the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.

How could you forget everyone's favorite fourth-liner Adam Mair?!?! Of course, he did not come directly by way of TOR but did wear the Maple Leaf on his sweater for more than a cup of coffee.

[Hawerchuk]

I can't stand that SOB! Sabres don't need him.

[Hawerchuk]

There've been a few more over the years:

 

Horton,

Fuhr,

Hannon,

Franceschetti,

Spencer,

Floyd Smith,

Al Smith

 

I'm sure there were several others. Those are the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.

 

Rick Vaive too. Loved him when he played for BUF.

[Taro T]

How could you forget everyone's favorite fourth-liner Adam Mair?!?! Of course, he did not come directly by way of TOR but did wear the Maple Leaf on his sweater for more than a cup of coffee.

:doh:

 

I'm sure I've missed quite a few others. Andreychuk makes the list on a technicality.

[tom webster]

Not sure I would want him at that salary/cap hit, but who would you trade back? If you say Max, that leaves two problems:

1) Too many defensemen for not enough spots. Weber is already likely to be in Portland to start.

2) In real cap trouble in 2009-10 and way over any likely budget, since Max isn't on the books for that year and McCabe has a big cap hit (salary is a little better).

 

Maybe just Lydman or Tallinder? Either would free up a spot on D and take some hit off of '09-'10. Toronto seems to have a lot of centers on their roster (Antropov, Stajan, Steen, Tlusty, Moore, Devereaux, not to mention Sundin if he returns), none of which are paid very much or over 30 years old (Sundin, aside), and they traded for a couple more (Grabovski, Hollweg). Maybe McCabe/(center) for Max/Lydman, or something like that?

 

They may be over their budget in 09/10 but they would still be way under cap assuming it goes up slightly to $58.5 million. If their budget remains at $50 million, they will be in the bottom 3 or 4 teams and I don't think they want to be there.

I'm also assuming he takes Jaro's place in the line up.

[Taro T]

They may be over their budget in 09/10 but they would still be way under cap assuming it goes up slightly to $58.5 million. If their budget remains at $50 million, they will be in the bottom 3 or 4 teams and I don't think they want to be there.

I'm also assuming he takes Jaro's place in the line up.

I wondered if that was where this thread was headed.

 

With that being the case, I would definitely keep Jaro over any of the Loaf D. Even if it does mean unloading Max.

[DR HOLLIDAY]

Since the league took away his "can opener move" he can't play defense anymore............. :thumbdown:

[FogBat]

Not sure I would want him at that salary/cap hit, but who would you trade back? If you say Max, that leaves two problems:

1) Too many defensemen for not enough spots. Weber is already likely to be in Portland to start.

2) In real cap trouble in 2009-10 and way over any likely budget, since Max isn't on the books for that year and McCabe has a big cap hit (salary is a little better).

 

Maybe just Lydman or Tallinder? Either would free up a spot on D and take some hit off of '09-'10. Toronto seems to have a lot of centers on their roster (Antropov, Stajan, Steen, Tlusty, Moore, Devereaux, not to mention Sundin if he returns), none of which are paid very much or over 30 years old (Sundin, aside), and they traded for a couple more (Grabovski, Hollweg). Maybe McCabe/(center) for Max/Lydman, or something like that?

That's what I was thinking when I first stumbled across this thread.

 

We don't have even a halfway decent faceoff guy/centerman that isn't prone to rattlesnakes, and yet we're talking about adding on the blueline? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

TW, what were you thinking when you started this thread? Please tell me you not that bored with the offseason.

[carpandean]

They may be over their budget in 09/10 but they would still be way under cap assuming it goes up slightly to $58.5 million. If their budget remains at $50 million, they will be in the bottom 3 or 4 teams and I don't think they want to be there.

I'm also assuming he takes Jaro's place in the line up.

Assuming they get Pommer for $5 million, adding McCabe would put them at around $48.5 million in contracted players for 09-10 and still needing to add another defenseman (probably Sekera) and 6 forwards (including a second-line center and Stafford.) Even with a few youngsters coming up, that could very easily push the cap. Salary-wise, they'd be at a little over $47 million in contracts (maybe a little less if Pommer's first year is at less than $5 million) with McCabe (his salary that year is well below his cap hit), so they would be way above $50 million with those other 7 players.

 

If we bring McCabe in, I really hope that it does not involve losing Spacek.

[tom webster]

That's what I was thinking when I first stumbled across this thread.

 

We don't have even a halfway decent faceoff guy/centerman that isn't prone to rattlesnakes, and yet we're talking about adding on the blueline? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

TW, what were you thinking when you started this thread? Please tell me you not that bored with the offseason.

 

 

I am bored.

I, too, would like another center although I don't think they concur.

I still believe something is up.

I believe McCabe would be a huge upgrade over Jaro.

I believe they have soured on Jaro.

 

Mix it all together and you get this thread.

[Guest Sloth]

What centers are available right now? If Tim Connolly wasn't so injury prone, I wouldn't be asking for a center to be added to the team. I do hope something is in the works. I'm excited about this years team, but they need at least one more player. I will say I hope that something is a very good defenseman. Buffalo was the third highest scoring team last year. Their D just sucked.

[apuszczalowski]

I thought we were trying to limit the amount of shots on Miller?

 

I just heard the other day on the radio a song written about McCabe. It was to the tune of Stompin Toms hockey anthem, and it was all about him scoring on his own goalie Raycroft and costing Toronto the game (It also has the line that McCabe scores on Raycroft giving the Sabres the win)

[bob_sauve28]

There've been a few more over the years:

 

Horton,

Fuhr,

Hannon,

Franceschetti,

Spencer,

Floyd Smith,

Al Smith

 

I'm sure there were several others. Those are the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.

Rick Vaive!

[deluca67]

What centers are available right now? If Tim Connolly wasn't so injury prone, I wouldn't be asking for a center to be added to the team. I do hope something is in the works. I'm excited about this years team, but they need at least one more player. I will say I hope that something is a very good defenseman. Buffalo was the third highest scoring team last year. Their D just sucked.

Even if Connolly could stay healthy this team desperately needs someone who can win face-offs. Not getting someone in here who can win face-offs has been part of a hugely disappointing off-season for the Sabres.

 

At the current prices I would take Spacek over McCabe. I know McCabe is probably a better all around player. I just prefer the mean streak Spacek shows at times. I am hoping that maybe a Spacek - Rivet pairing would help bring out that mean streak on a more regular basis. I guess I am in the minority here but I feel the Sabres season will depend on the blue-liners playing tougher and protecting Ryan Miller. The Sabres give up too many goals where there is no physical price to be paid. This season when the opposition scores a goal I want them to feel it on the way back to the bench.

[spndnchz]

I'd agree, at the current prices, I'd take Spach over McCabe. Not to say the D couldn't use some more beef, but not at that price. I'd rather see them spend the money on another centerman (slim pickings) or a winger with some good faceoff skills. I might be a bit biased, I don't like Toronto or any player on their team, yep, just don't like 'em.