X. Benedict Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 Here's a nice little nugget from the SJ Mercury News on Rivet:Linkage He really could be a great pickup. I didn't see him 4x4 much with San Jose. But he always gave Buffalo trouble 4x4 when he was with Montreal.
Two or less Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 Here's a nice little nugget from the SJ Mercury News on Rivet:Linkage He really could be a great pickup. He's exactly what the Sabres needed. He will protect the forwards and most importantly will protect Ryan Miller, like nobody did last year. We need to add somebody else. I heard someone say looks like Jason Smith deal is dead. Maybe they can get Steve Montador as well? I'd prefer him over Teppo as the 6th d-men and Mike Weber play in Portland. Montador is a hard hitting d-men and also a great fighter. I can't imagine him being too expensive. But Rivet is a good start, but we need some other bully too. Spacek - Rivet Tallinder - Lydman Montador - Sekera Weber That would be very nice.
Two or less Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 And anyone doubting Rivet would be a good Sabre, just check this out- He sticks for his teammates.
Stoner Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 Can a skeptic jump in? Why didn't San Jose want the guy? Anyone care to do some "opposition research"? Scan the message boards in San Jose maybe? We tend to immediately fall in love with new Sabres. Why don't we, this time, dig up a little dirt on the guy, so we won't be so disappointed later? Injuries perhaps? Babysitter issues? :)
shrader Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 Can a skeptic jump in? Why didn't San Jose want the guy? Anyone care to do some "opposition research"? Scan the message boards in San Jose maybe? We tend to immediately fall in love with new Sabres. Why don't we, this time, dig up a little dirt on the guy, so we won't be so disappointed later? Injuries perhaps? Babysitter issues? :) They needed to free up a little space with all the defensemen they just brought in. It was either him or McLaren. Rivet makes more money and is signed longer (three years vs. one year). They freed up the most money over the longest period of time by moving Rivet.
gregkash Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 Can a skeptic jump in? Why didn't San Jose want the guy? Anyone care to do some "opposition research"? Scan the message boards in San Jose maybe? We tend to immediately fall in love with new Sabres. Why don't we, this time, dig up a little dirt on the guy, so we won't be so disappointed later? Injuries perhaps? Babysitter issues? :) if you read the thread one of the first posts was about how the san jose boards were complaining about giving him up. and then just a few posts ago was a SJ beat writer expressing his dissapointment in seeing Rivet go. And i'm guessing they gave up Rivet because they signed Rob Blake and traded for Dan Boyle. They have to be near the cap and they still have a few RFAs to sign.
LabattBlue Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 Rivet is a very nice pickup and I think will fit well in the top 4. From everything I have read, he is a very good defensive defenseman and also good in the locker room. His age(34 at the start of the season) doesn't bother me at all. I just wonder though if Darcy could not have thrown more at Vancouver in addition to Bernier and received Bieksa in return? Bottom line...Our defense is a lot better with the addition of Rivet vs. Kalinin and if they can still add a Montador, Smith or even Teppo(bite my tongue), play in our own zone will be much better than last season. This will also allow for Weber to spend another year in the AHL to hone his game. Tallinder-Lydman Spacek-Rivet Sekera-Paetsch or even better Montador, Smith or Teppo(then Paetsch becomes #7)
outlaw16511 Posted July 5, 2008 Author Report Posted July 5, 2008 If Vancouver moved Bieksa it would be a really stupid move on their part.
inkman Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 If Vancouver moved Bieksa it would be a really stupid move on their part. :unsure:
LabattBlue Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 If Vancouver moved Bieksa it would be a really stupid move on their part. While Bieksa is a good physical blueliner, we are not talking about Phaneuf or Pronger. In addition, they can spare a defenseman. On a team desperate for forwards, they would part with Bieksa in a New York minute if the right offer was put on the table.
SarasotaSabre Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 Rivet = a tough nut & a right hand shot. Exactly the type of d-man we need. Darcy did SOMETHING to address am obvious need - now get another tough d-man and I'll be really happy. The Sabres have gotten Eurosoft - hopefully the pendulum is shifting to the other direction.
Stoner Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 has Rivet said anything? Well there ya go. He's obviously unhappy with the trade. I knew there was something fishy.
Stoner Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 This guy's weak! He can't even tear open a paper sack!
darksabre Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 This guy's weak! He can't even tear open a paper sack! wow, what a little b*tch!
BamBam Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 Not sure is this has been posted but here is part of an article from Ryan Garner who is a regular writer for the San Jose Sharks on the Hockey Buzz Website. Here is what he said about Rivet. (Maybe the move isn't so bad) ---------------------------------------------- Craig Rivet There were a lot of times last season when we wonder aloud or ask one another online who would captain the Sharks if Patrick Marleau were dealt or stripped of the C. Again and again, without hesitation, Rivet was the first name mentioned or typed or shouted. No other Shark showed more courage or dependability sticking up for teammates, and no other blueliner came close to providing his level of leadership last season. The Sharks have lacked heart, grit and other similar intangibles since Doug Wilson took over the GM duties, so why would they choose to dump the one defenseman who demonstrates those qualities? Also, if youre looking to shed salary, how about buying out or trading Kyle McLaren, whose probably going to be as useful as a bottomless wheelbarrow for most of the coming season? San Jose Writers Take On Rivet
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 This was posted by the Sharks blogger on HockeyBuzz ... before you go all "Ek is a moron," his name is Ryan Garner and he covers the Sharks for the Vallejo Times-Herald. He was born in Alberta and has written for several other sites ... doesn't mean he's not a moron, I guess, but he is credentialed ... in general he did not like all the Sharks moves ... here is his take on Rivet: There were a lot of times last season when we?d wonder aloud or ask one another online who would captain the Sharks if Patrick Marleau were dealt or stripped of the C. Again and again, without hesitation, Rivet was the first name mentioned or typed or shouted. No other Shark showed more courage or dependability sticking up for teammates, and no other blueliner came close to providing his level of leadership last season. The Sharks have lacked heart, grit and other similar intangibles since Doug Wilson took over the GM duties, so why would they choose to dump the one defenseman who demonstrates those qualities? EDIT: Sorry, Bam, you beat me to it.
BamBam Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 This was posted by the Sharks blogger on HockeyBuzz ... before you go all "Ek is a moron," his name is Ryan Garner and he covers the Sharks for the Vallejo Times-Herald. He was born in Alberta and has written for several other sites ... doesn't mean he's not a moron, I guess, but he is credentialed ...in general he did not like all the Sharks moves ... here is his take on Rivet: EDIT: Sorry, Bam, you beat me to it. Thats Crazy! :thumbsup:
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 I know ... Anyway, sounds like McLaren is their Afinogenov ... no one wants him.
Lethbridge Broncos Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 I have no idea why Darcy is parading around -- as if Rivet is the the next Robert Orr. Rivet is an average defender by any standard. He is a #4 four guy, who is slightly overpaid. On some nights, he is a #2 guy. Hell, ten years ago, you could trade a 3rd rounder for Rivet and a dozen doughnuts. I suppose his value will be to mentor Weber and Butler for three years (to be stay at home physical types). And we owed Wilson a sweetner -- as he lost Campbell to FA. In addition, Wilson is a responsible GM -- and always works for a fair deal. It was good politics. But make no mistake about it, this club still lacks fiber on the backline. Jason Smith is injury prone at this stage of his career. Smith, eight years ago, would have been the right fit. The goal this offseason is/was to protect Miller -- the team's best player (Vanek, sometimes, some will argue Roy). They have NOT done that. Regier needs to cut-bait with the overpaid players (Lydman, Hecht, Afinogenov) and make a move for a dominant rearguard via a trade. There is no reason why this club can't trade a 1st; a TOP prospect (only Gerbe stays); and a 20 goal scoring winger off the lineup (Kotalik!) for a top two (2), physical defender. Orpik was that guy -- at $4 mil. Such a move allows the speedy forwards to fly around and have some protection when "#%^$#! hits the fan" physically. It would not mortgage the future whatsoever. A solid defense, that is mobile, yet sound, creates a solid offense. If they start off the season with this rag-tag crew they got now, with Paetch and Tempo as the subs -- Miller and the fans are going to be pissed by game 25. Remember, this club failed to make the playoff. They are weak around the cage and give up too many rebounds. In addition, they didn't play well in the 3rd period of games. This was due to poor leadership and Ruff's inability to throw someone on the ice with a clear/savvy/calm head. They ran around like chickens with their head's cut off in the 3rd period all season. As such, the goal was/is to get fiber and palyers with moxie and leadership. Rivet is a start. Two more guys are needed. Lydman sits. As does Mair or Paille. The division and conference has gotten MUCH better.
inkman Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 The Sabres have gotten Eurosoft - hopefully the pendulum is shifting to the other direction. While I more often than not give the front office the benefit of the doubt, and I absolutely love Rivet, I still think Darcy and Lindy are happy with their uber soft forwards and won't make any more moves to shore up team toughness. I thought after listening to off-season press conferences and witnessing the team's success when guys like Paille, Bernier, Kaleta, Mair, Weber and Gaustad played their off that team toughness and grit was priority number one. Rivet definitely represents a step in the right direction, but trading Bernier was not a step in that direction and neither is the fact that Weber and Kaleta might not be in the lineup every night. I want assurances that this team understands that the panty waist lineup they have been committed to isn't going to win jack #%^$#! and some help other than Rivet is on the way.
Lethbridge Broncos Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 Agreed. When Bernier came in, it was because he offered size, pedigree and more size. I don't think Ruff liked his style. Regardless, they got smaller up front -- yet again. Now Gaustad and Kaleta, two limited talents, must carry the physical play. Mair has to worry about his head and Peters can't track anyone down. Where are the lumbering forwards who are needed on any team? i.e., Hall, Holik, Roberts, blair betts, mayers, etc? While I more often than not give the front office the benefit of the doubt, and I absolutely love Rivet, I still think Darcy and Lindy are happy with their uber soft forwards and won't make any more moves to shore up team toughness. I thought after listening to off-season press conferences and witnessing the team's success when guys like Paille, Bernier, Kaleta, Mair, Weber and Gaustad played their off that team toughness and grit was priority number one. Rivet definitely represents a step in the right direction, but trading Bernier was not a step in that direction and neither is the fact that Weber and Kaleta might not be in the lineup every night. I want assurances that this team understands that the panty waist lineup they have been committed to isn't going to win jack #%^$#! and some help other than Rivet is on the way.
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 I have no idea why Darcy is parading around -- as if Rivet is the the next Robert Orr. Rivet is an average defender by any standard. He is a #4 four guy, who is slightly overpaid. On some nights, he is a #2 guy. Hell, ten years ago, you could trade a 3rd rounder for Rivet and a dozen doughnuts. I suppose his value will be to mentor Weber and Butler for three years (to be stay at home physical types). And we owed Wilson a sweetner -- as he lost Campbell to FA. In addition, Wilson is a responsible GM -- and always works for a fair deal. It was good politics. Funny people in San Jose are sorry to see him go. Either way, I don't think Darcy ever suggested the guy was Bobby Orr or even a top pair guy ... he's a physical player who is great in the room and provides leadership sorely lacking. There is no reason why this club can't trade a 1st; a TOP prospect (only Gerbe stays); and a 20 goal scoring winger off the lineup (Kotalik!) for a top two (2), physical defender. Orpik was that guy -- at $4 mil. Such a move allows the speedy forwards to fly around and have some protection when "#%^$#! hits the fan" physically. It would not mortgage the future whatsoever. A solid defense, that is mobile, yet sound, creates a solid offense. While you are throwing around hypotheticals, who is this defender they can so easily trade for? And what is a TOP prospect? Sekera? Stafford? Funny when Regier trades and gets draft picks back he is a moron but everyone expects him to go out with the Sabres picks and prospects and come back with Dion Phaneuf. I would have liked Orpik too but it looks like he didn't want to come to Buffalo, and even if he did it probably was not the money, it was the 6 years that regier would have balked at. besides, while he brings a physical presence, he does not bring the experience nor the leadership that Rivet does .... and like it or not, they could not have done both, money-wise. Where are the lumbering forwards who are needed on any team? i.e., Hall, Holik, Roberts, blair betts, mayers, etc? Where are those guys on Detroit? they have a couple pests, but no one I would call "lumbering" ... two of those guys you listed missed the playoffs ... I wish they could bring in a physical forward too, but until they get Afinogenov, Connolly and Kotalik off the books they do not have room.
deluca67 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 Funny people in San Jose are sorry to see him go. Either way, I don't think Darcy ever suggested the guy was Bobby Orr or even a top pair guy ... he's a physical player who is great in the room and provides leadership sorely lacking. While you are throwing around hypotheticals, who is this defender they can so easily trade for? And what is a TOP prospect? Sekera? Stafford? Funny when Regier trades and gets draft picks back he is a moron but everyone expects him to go out with the Sabres picks and prospects and come back with Dion Phaneuf. I would have liked Orpik too but it looks like he didn't want to come to Buffalo, and even if he did it probably was not the money, it was the 6 years that regier would have balked at. besides, while he brings a physical presence, he does not bring the experience nor the leadership that Rivet does .... and like it or not, they could not have done both, money-wise. Where are those guys on Detroit? they have a couple pests, but no one I would call "lumbering" ... two of those guys you listed missed the playoffs ... I wish they could bring in a physical forward too, but until they get Afinogenov, Connolly and Kotalik off the books they do not have room. They could have which is the frustrating part. Max's $3.5 would have canceled out Rivet's contract. Buying out Connolly would have given some room to help get Orpick signed.. The Sabres go into this season with what may be the softest group of forwards in the league. You can't expect Rivet to fight all their battles for them. As far as Orpick wanting to be play in Buffalo. I'll take the word of his family before any media speculation.
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 They could have which is the frustrating part. Max's $3.5 would have canceled out Rivet's contract. Buying out Connolly would have given some room to help get Orpick signed.. The Sabres go into this season with what may be the softest group of forwards in the league. You can't expect Rivet to fight all their battles for them. As far as Orpick wanting to be play in Buffalo. I'll take the word of his family before any media speculation. well yeah if you are going to talk about buying guys out and such they would have had as much money as they needed to go get anyone ... while they were at it why not buy out Tllinder and Lydman too so you can replace them with new guys. I'm trying to deal in reality here as much as possible, we all know they were never buying anyone out.
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