Dan Paille

[james duncan]

Great minds think alike. IMHO, Darcy's not worried about losing Pie-YAY or Bernier, but worried about losing both.

 

My what a Negative Nancy today! Honestly, I don't think he's losing any sleep over losing either of these guys. And I don't think he needs to.

[Mbossy]

My what a Negative Nancy today! Honestly, I don't think he's losing any sleep over losing either of these guys. And I don't think he needs to.

We didn't make them restricted for no reason Mr Duncan.

[spndnchz]

My what a Negative Nancy today! Honestly, I don't think he's losing any sleep over losing either of these guys. And I don't think he needs to.

I don't think I'm ever negative. IMO we need one of these guys, I'm partial to the Pie man but like Bernie too. It'll be interesting if Bernier took it to heart and got in great shape and developed some quickness like Lindy wanted him to.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Question to some here. If Paille and Bernier are run of the mill and no loss if they are gone, Gaustad was overpaid, Max is worthless and should be cut, Kotalik needs to be traded, Connolly can't stay healthy, Peters is a disgrace to the game, MacArthur and Ryan are glorified AHLers that can go, Thiabault should retire, Kalinin is crap, Campbell is overpaid, Drury is overpaid, Briere is overpaid....where does that leave us???

 

Pominville, Roy, Hecht, Miller, Vanek, Stafford, Spacek, Tallinder, Lydman, Sekera, Weber, Mair, Kaleta.

 

Is everyone happy with this lineup? This from what I can tell is the group most are pleased with. I'm just wondering, because if Miller and Pominville each get the $6-8 million they are due, and after today, who can question those numbers.....then this is the "Core" of your team going forward. These guys alone will cost $40-$43 million next year (2009). That is assuming Max, Kotalik, Connolly, Teppo, Peters, Paille and Bernier aren't on the team. Sure, maybe the Gerbe, Kennedy, etc. crew gets called up....but this IS your team at $48 to $50 million in 2009.

 

I don't know what anyone else sees, but I see a Sweedish league team supplimented by some OHL All-Stars.

 

I guess I am just confused how many, including the front office, devalue any player that shows any sign of spunk whatsoever. Throw a grenade in the lockerroom of the 13 guys I just mentioned and 7 would run, 3 would push someone else onto it, 2 wouldn't know what it was and would stand there scratching their nads, and one would be too "focused" on photography or the latest skirt line to notice a silly grenade.

 

Where are the leaders?

[spndnchz]

Question to some here. If Paille and Bernier are run of the mill and no loss if they are gone, Gaustad was overpaid, Max is worthless and should be cut, Kotalik needs to be traded, Connolly can't stay healthy, Peters is a disgrace to the game, MacArthur and Ryan are glorified AHLers that can go, Thiabault should retire, Kalinin is crap, Campbell is overpaid, Drury is overpaid, Briere is overpaid....where does that leave us???

 

Pominville, Roy, Hecht, Miller, Vanek, Stafford, Spacek, Tallinder, Lydman, Sekera, Weber, Mair, Kaleta.

 

Is everyone happy with this lineup? This from what I can tell is the group most are pleased with. I'm just wondering, because if Miller and Pominville each get the $6-8 million they are due, and after today, who can question those numbers.....then this is the "Core" of your team going forward. These guys alone will cost $40-$43 million next year (2009). That is assuming Max, Kotalik, Connolly, Teppo, Peters, Paille and Bernier aren't on the team. Sure, maybe the Gerbe, Kennedy, etc. crew gets called up....but this IS your team at $48 to $50 million in 2009.

 

I don't know what anyone else sees, but I see a Sweedish league team supplimented by some OHL All-Stars.

 

I guess I am just confused how many, including the front office, devalue any player that shows any sign of spunk whatsoever. Throw a grenade in the lockerroom of the 13 guys I just mentioned and 7 would run, 3 would push someone else onto it, 2 wouldn't know what it was and would stand there scratching their nads, and one would be too "focused" on photography or the latest skirt line to notice a silly grenade.

 

Where are the leaders?

Pominville, Roy, Hecht, Miller, Vanek, Stafford, Spacek, Tallinder, Lydman (on a good night), Sekera, Weber, Mair, Kaleta.

 

Each in their own right, some coming of age in the NHL and feel they can speak their mind. You have to believe that the boys coming up are gonna fill spaces left open by guys that have outpriced Bufffalo. You just have to hit it right, IMO the right mix of vets and new, high paid and still not UFA's. it'll come don't worry. Have a shot and go to bed :beer: all will be better in the morning. Sweet dreams. :blush:

[X. Benedict]

Where are the leaders?

 

It is probably a very unsatisfying answer, but it may be instructive to look at what the Islanders did last year after the July 1 spree.... they signed Bill Geurin a week later to a reasonable contract.

 

As far as Paille and Bernier - I don't agree with your premise: right now they are just graduating from prospect to contributor. Their best is yet to come, and their market value is somewhat akin to

"fully equipped starter home in up and coming neighborhood"

[WayneGibbous]

I just remember a game last season against Tampa where him, Pominville and Hecht had an amazing game. Paille was a wrecking ball on one play, forcing a turnover with a hit along the boards, then bullying to the front of the net to knock in a loose puck. He also had an assist or two and the Sabres basically won the game on that line's play in the first period. That's what I remember of Paille; and when he plays that way - which he couldn't with limited ice time - he is a very effective 3rd MAYBE 2nd liner. However, he will never get the playing time to prove it.

[james duncan]

We didn't make them restricted for no reason Mr Duncan.

 

Ummm. Exactly. That's why he's not worried about losing either of them. If an absurd offer sheet is signed by one of them, we're getting a good number of picks in return for a guy who may or may not be a difference-maker. Otherwise, they're both Sabres this year.

[tom webster]

The Leafs got both Stajan for $1.75 after already signing Steen for $1.7 million per year

 

Anybody care to make the argument that Paille deserves more?

[inkman]

This thread does remind me that I am excited to see if he makes any strides this season. He was a force during very small stretches last year.

[X. Benedict]

The Leafs got both Stajan for $1.75 after already signing Steen for $1.7 million per year

 

Anybody care to make the argument that Paille deserves more?

 

I would pay him a little more than Stajan and a little less than Steen.

But the Leafs just made that impossible. :lol:

[SabresFan526]

The Leafs got both Stajan for $1.75 after already signing Steen for $1.7 million per year

 

Anybody care to make the argument that Paille deserves more?

Looking at the three players' statistics, I would tend to agree with X in that I would pay Paille more than Stajan and less than Steen, but as previously mentioned the Leafs have now rendered that impossible. I think that generally proves the point I was going to make, which is twofold: 1.) I think those salaries are a bit too high for both of those players and 2.) The Leafs cannot be used as a barometer for anything normal in the NHL. JFJ gave no-trade/no-movement clauses to 7-8 mediocre players. Fletcher has not fared much better, either. Fletcher just spent $3.5 million/year on Jeff Finger, a guy who has all of one NHL season under his belt. Are you kidding me? Using the Leafs as a barometer for anything that is sane and normal in the NHL just will not work. Paille's real value is somewhere around $950K-$1.25 million, that's my opinion at least. He's had one full NHL season under his belt and put up some decent numbers but should not really warrant any more than Pominville's current contract. I think that's the right number for Paille.

[apuszczalowski]

Looking at the three players' statistics, I would tend to agree with X in that I would pay Paille more than Stajan and less than Steen, but as previously mentioned the Leafs have now rendered that impossible. I think that generally proves the point I was going to make, which is twofold: 1.) I think those salaries are a bit too high for both of those players and 2.) The Leafs cannot be used as a barometer for anything normal in the NHL. JFJ gave no-trade/no-movement clauses to 7-8 mediocre players. Fletcher has not fared much better, either. Fletcher just spent $3.5 million/year on Jeff Finger, a guy who has all of one NHL season under his belt. Are you kidding me? Using the Leafs as a barometer for anything that is sane and normal in the NHL just will not work. Paille's real value is somewhere around $950K-$1.25 million, that's my opinion at least. He's had one full NHL season under his belt and put up some decent numbers but should not really warrant any more than Pominville's current contract. I think that's the right number for Paille.

And was also a guy alot here thought the Sabres should target before Toronto got him.

[BetweenThePipes00]

And was also a guy alot here thought the Sabres should target before Toronto got him.

 

I don't think anyone suggesting paying that money for him though ... that's what we hoped to pay Orpik.

[SabresFan526]

I don't think anyone suggesting paying that money for him though ... that's what we hoped to pay Orpik.

Exactly!! Jeff Finger would have been nice to have, but not at $3.5 million/year. He has done nothing to prove he is worth that much. Fletcher just dropped that kind of change on a completely unknown guy. To put that in perspective. While all of us bitch and moan about the fact that Max, Connolly, and Kotalik are still on this team, not one of us would ever say that Jeff Finger deserves to be paid more than any of those three. And for a comparable at his own position, no one would have ever said that Finger should be getting paid more than Jaro Spacek or the same as Craig Rivet. I was all in favor of trying to bring in Finger at maybe $1.5 million/year, but not at the price Fletcher paid for him. No Thanks! My point still remains, using Toronto as any sort of barometer for normalcy in the NHL is just plain wrong.

[tom webster]

Looking at the three players' statistics, I would tend to agree with X in that I would pay Paille more than Stajan and less than Steen, but as previously mentioned the Leafs have now rendered that impossible. I think that generally proves the point I was going to make, which is twofold: 1.) I think those salaries are a bit too high for both of those players and 2.) The Leafs cannot be used as a barometer for anything normal in the NHL. JFJ gave no-trade/no-movement clauses to 7-8 mediocre players. Fletcher has not fared much better, either. Fletcher just spent $3.5 million/year on Jeff Finger, a guy who has all of one NHL season under his belt. Are you kidding me? Using the Leafs as a barometer for anything that is sane and normal in the NHL just will not work. Paille's real value is somewhere around $950K-$1.25 million, that's my opinion at least. He's had one full NHL season under his belt and put up some decent numbers but should not really warrant any more than Pominville's current contract. I think that's the right number for Paille.

 

So both players are 24, Stajan has scored 14, 15, 19 and 16 goals and plays center. Paille has one season were he scored 19 goals and he is worth more then Stajan?

[SabresFan526]

So both players are 24, Stajan has scored 14, 15, 19 and 16 goals and plays center. Paille has one season were he scored 19 goals and he is worth more then Stajan?

Well, Paille has been up and down over the last three years. He played quite a bit with the Sabres in 2006-2007 before he got hurt and was a solid contributor to the team. He played sparingly with the Sabres in 2005-2006. Paille is a solid two-way player who is very good defensively and on the PK. If we go by everyone's favorite stat, points per game, we see Paille is at 0.408 while Stajan is at about 0.404. So, it looks like they are very good comparables, and I believe I agreed with X, when he said Paille is worth slightly more than Stajan. If not more, then about the same value as Stajan. Regardless, Toronto just spent way too much money on both Stajan and Steen, my original point stands, which is Toronto should not be looked at as the barometer of normalcy in the NHL. I think Paille's real value is somewhere between $950K and $1.25 million/year. I don't think he has done anything to warrant more money than that, and frankly, I don't think either Stajan or Steen have done anything to warrant more money than that either. They were signed by the same Cliff Fletcher who just spent $3.5 million/year on Jeff Finger, so that tells you how much we should use Fletcher's contracts as the measuring stick for Paille.

[tom webster]

Well, Paille has been up and down over the last three years. He played quite a bit with the Sabres in 2006-2007 before he got hurt and was a solid contributor to the team. He played sparingly with the Sabres in 2005-2006. Paille is a solid two-way player who is very good defensively and on the PK. If we go by everyone's favorite stat, points per game, we see Paille is at 0.408 while Stajan is at about 0.404. So, it looks like they are very good comparables, and I believe I agreed with X, when he said Paille is worth slightly more than Stajan. If not more, then about the same value as Stajan. Regardless, Toronto just spent way too much money on both Stajan and Steen, my original point stands, which is Toronto should not be looked at as the barometer of normalcy in the NHL. I think Paille's real value is somewhere between $950K and $1.25 million/year. I don't think he has done anything to warrant more money than that, and frankly, I don't think either Stajan or Steen have done anything to warrant more money than that either. They were signed by the same Cliff Fletcher who just spent $3.5 million/year on Jeff Finger, so that tells you how much we should use Fletcher's contracts as the measuring stick for Paille.

 

First,

You, me and X all are in agreement that Paille isn't worth the money that posters around here have been talking about. I agree with you that he should max at $1.25 million although I could see a two year deal at $1.5 million.

Second,

One player has done it for four years while one has done it for one. How can the one year be worth more then the four years?

[SabresFan526]

First,

You, me and X all are in agreement that Paille isn't worth the money that posters around here have been talking about. I agree with you that he should max at $1.25 million although I could see a two year deal at $1.5 million.

Second,

One player has done it for four years while one has done it for one. How can the one year be worth more then the four years?

Fair enough. It's not that huge of an argument for me to try to win this point. I think statistically, they pretty much are the same player. Stajan has done it for a little longer and has been given more of a chance to develop in the NHL than Paille has to this point. I could see Stajan getting a bigger contract for time of service. I think overall, I'd say Paille will be the better player as Stajan has played pretty much 4 full NHL seasons and his scoring has been pretty consistent in the high 20s and 30s. I think Paille will get better and end up as the better player at the end of their careers, no real proof to back it up, just my feeling. Right now, I would not have a major problem with Stajan making more money than Paille based on time of service. Either way, I just cannot justify Paille making more than $1.25 million/year at this point in his career.