Two or less Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/wildblog/
nfreeman Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Wow. They sure seem like they're trying to repeat Philly's rapid makeover. If they can pull it off it will make the Sabres' slow-and-steady approach even more frustrating. The goaltending and defense questions still need to be answered, though -- the designated new goalie, Mike Smith, was 3-10 with them last year with an .893 save % last year.
Bmwolf21 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Wow. They sure seem like they're trying to repeat Philly's rapid makeover. If they can pull it off it will make the Sabres' slow-and-steady approach even more frustrating. The goaltending and defense questions still need to be answered, though -- the designated new goalie, Mike Smith, was 3-10 with them last year with an .893 save % last year. Definitely agree about the Lightning's pace making our approach very frustrating to watch. I'm not writing Darcy and co. off yet, but I really hope they come up with some solid moves over the next couple weeks to improve the team quickly. Re: Smith - Tampa does need to upgrade the defense, but I don't think they're real worried about Smith right now. I think his numbers in Tampa were a direct correlation of the team's shoddy defense and the team's "running for the bus" mentality over the last 20 or so games. Besides, he showed what he can do earlier in the season in Dallas - he was 12-9, 2.46 and .903 in 21 games. If Tampa's defense gets even a little better I'm pretty confident Smith's numbers will improve significantly.
tom webster Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 a new owner makes all the difference. Didn't anybody tell him that he can live off the " I saved your franchise thing for at least three years! Damn him!
X. Benedict Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Wow. They sure seem like they're trying to repeat Philly's rapid makeover. If they can pull it off it will make the Sabres' slow-and-steady approach even more frustrating. The goaltending and defense questions still need to be answered, though -- the designated new goalie, Mike Smith, was 3-10 with them last year with an .893 save % last year. Keep adding forwards and Dougy Janik may remain on an NHL roster.
apuszczalowski Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Keep adding forwards and Dougy Janik may remain on an NHL roster. They still have FA just like everyone else. If we can't make judgements on the offseason and Regier yet for doing nothing because FA hasn't started yet, I guess we can't judge any other teams for actually being active and not waiting for FA to start before improving their teams
carpandean Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 They still have FA just like everyone else. If we can't make judgements on the offseason and Regier yet for doing nothing because FA hasn't started yet, I guess we can't judge any other teams for actually being active and not waiting for FA to start before improving their teams I believe his point is that there is a limited amount a team can spend (cap) and they are using it (not to mention their future draft picks) to acquire more and more forwards. So, when it comes to picking up D-men in FA will they have anything left or will they be stuck with the bottom of the barrel.
X. Benedict Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 I believe his point is that there is a limited amount a team can spend (cap) and they are using it (not to mention their future draft picks) to acquire more and more forwards. So, when it comes to picking up D-men in FA will they have anything left or will they be stuck with the bottom of the barrel. Yes. That was my point, but you stated it better of course. :)
Rayzor32 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/wildblog/ Hopefully he won't sign, but they were aggressive with Malone and Roberts and got them in the fold, so I would expect to see Rolston in TB next sesaon, which is very frustrating. As I look at my FA list of tough, veteran, two way centers that can win draws, we can now remove: Langkow Conroy Rolston (likely) Really only leaves: Sundin (going to Montreal if you believe the rumors) Holik (big, nasty, won a cup, plays defense, wins draws) I've always like Morrison, but he's not strong enough on face-offs.. Any other UFA centers that I'm overlooking?
BetweenThePipes00 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Rayzor, given what is left, maybe Yelle would be a good, cheap option ... probably not enough offense to be the Sabres ideal 3rd line fit, but a good checking line center, has won Cups ... X, do you still think a third rounder for Rolston's rights is crazy? Not trying to pick a fight, just curious, if Tampa does get him signed, does it make it worth it? I definitely heard what you were saying given how little time they would have had to sign him, but if you are willing to overpay to make sure you get him, a third round pick is nothing. Granted, not the Sabres style to overpay to get someone, so maybe that's whay they did not do it.
That Aud Smell Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 If they can pull it off it will make the Sabres' slow-and-steady approach even more frustrating. Definitely agree about the Lightning's pace making our approach very frustrating to watch. I'm not writing Darcy and co. off yet, but I really hope they come up with some solid moves over the next couple weeks to improve the team quickly. a couple of thoughts: (1) in order for a team to effectuate a philly-esque makeover, the team pretty much needs to have hit rock bottom first. that was the case with philly following 06-07, and is now again the case with tampa following 07-08. the same can't be said of the sabres. (2) the odds are always stacked against such a makeover working - philly's success was a rare exception, not the rule. (3) i'm not going to get exercised because darcy's not aping the pace and tactics of tampa's new ownership/management. those guys strike me as loony -- fun and exciting, but loony as well. darcy is who he is -- hoping that he'll shop like a sailor on leave is like hoping a lake won't be wet when you jump in.
shrader Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 (2) the odds are always stacked against such a makeover working - philly's success was a rare exception, not the rule. And the crappy state of the eastern conference this year helped out a lot. I wouldn't be surprised to see the conference be just about the same this upcoming season too.
Claude_Verret Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Being so close to the beginning of FA why would Rolston sign with TB today? Malone at least had the family connection as incentive to sign. Unless they blow him away with a ridiculous offer, why wouldn't he just wait 24 hours to see what else is out there?
BetweenThePipes00 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Being so close to the beginning of FA why would Rolston sign with TB today? Malone at least had the family connection as incentive to sign. Unless they blow him away with a ridiculous offer, why wouldn't he just wait 24 hours to see what else is out there? I think the plan is to blow him away ... you don't do it unless you are willing to overpay a little to make sure you get him.
Claude_Verret Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 I think the plan is to blow him away ... you don't do it unless you are willing to overpay a little to make sure you get him. That's true. And if they do that, then we never really had a shot at him anyway even if he did make it to July 1st.
X. Benedict Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Rayzor, given what is left, maybe Yelle would be a good, cheap option ... probably not enough offense to be the Sabres ideal 3rd line fit, but a good checking line center, has won Cups ... X, do you still think a third rounder for Rolston's rights is crazy? Not trying to pick a fight, just curious, if Tampa does get him signed, does it make it worth it? I definitely heard what you were saying given how little time they would have had to sign him, but if you are willing to overpay to make sure you get him, a third round pick is nothing. Granted, not the Sabres style to overpay to get someone, so maybe that's whay they did not do it. The "conditional pick" trend I didn't foresee. I didn't think they were allowable, but the owners and players don't seem to have a problem with it. I think the Neg. rights for draft picks have a "hedge" type of quality that are dependent upon when and if the player gets signed. If you have some prior knowledge of the player's asking price it it seems reasonable, esp. if it avoids a bidding war. I guess from the players perspective it gives them some certainty before hitting the market.
Rayzor32 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Rayzor, given what is left, maybe Yelle would be a good, cheap option ... probably not enough offense to be the Sabres ideal 3rd line fit, but a good checking line center, has won Cups ... Since Yelle's been a western conference player I haven't seen too much of him since his glory days in Colorado, but I just checked his faceoff stats for the past 3 years and was not impressed...I'm still hoping for Holik (but wouldn't be too upset with Morrison or Rolston)...or perhaps a trade for a player like Pahlsson from Anaheim..
apuszczalowski Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 I believe his point is that there is a limited amount a team can spend (cap) and they are using it (not to mention their future draft picks) to acquire more and more forwards. So, when it comes to picking up D-men in FA will they have anything left or will they be stuck with the bottom of the barrel. Yes thats true, but the abundance of forwards also gives them tradable assetts that can be dealt to open up cap space or acquire defencemen or a backup goalie And Buffalo didn't do that bad with an abundance of forwards and a weaker defence in the past
Guest Sloth Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Yes thats true, but the abundance of forwards also gives them tradable assetts that can be dealt to open up cap space or acquire defencemen or a backup goalie And Buffalo didn't do that bad with an abundance of forwards and a weaker defence in the past This simply blows. Another hopeful Sabre, Rolston, may be out the window. Darcy, get Orpik! Over pay, not by much, if you have too! Darcy said this team will be different before training camp. Did he mean we'll have a different guy to wash the jockstraps?
apuszczalowski Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 This simply blows. Another hopeful Sabre, Rolston, may be out the window. Darcy, get Orpik! Over pay, not by much, if you have too! Darcy said this team will be different before training camp. Did he mean we'll have a different guy to wash the jockstraps? There are othr ways to be different then just obtaining top level players. They could be differnt by just bringing up Weber, Sekera and Kaleta to the full time roster
Guest Sloth Posted June 30, 2008 Report Posted June 30, 2008 Darcy said there would be a removal and addition of players. Darcy said the Sabres will be a different team. I'm pretty sure he meant the addition of players would not be from the Sabres farm system.
SabresFan526 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 Well, it's midnight and Rolston still has not signed with Tampa. Not sure exactly how the CBA works and if there is a 12 hour freeze, but if not, we have 12 more hours to wait and if Rolston still does not sign with Tampa, he hits the open market and hopefully the Sabres can make a run for Rolston. I really hope we get him because he would be perfect for the Sabres.
apuszczalowski Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 Darcy said there would be a removal and addition of players. Darcy said the Sabres will be a different team. I'm pretty sure he meant the addition of players would not be from the Sabres farm system. I think that should have been "I really Hope......." or even "I assume....." Just because he said there would be addition and subtraction of players and that they would be a different team, that doesn't mean that they would be players in FA or make some big time moves. getting rid of Max, Kalinan, T-Bo, Connolly, etc and bringing up a couple of players from Portland and maybe 1-2 "Bargain Bin" FA's can also make them a different team. Although we all hope that we can believe them that what they meant was that they would be doing a serious overhaul of last years team.
apuszczalowski Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 He is going to make them wait til the morning before he lets them know if he accepts their deal http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242117&...=headlines_main
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