Beans90 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Posted June 17, 2008 I would like to see him stay, but i think it is just time for him to move on. I say trade him with a draft pick to get a veteran.
That Aud Smell Posted June 17, 2008 Report Posted June 17, 2008 welcome, beans. i am confident that the consensus around here (on this board) is that we should move him. for his own part, darcy acknowledged as much in his initial off-season remarks -- something to the effect of how max could do with a change of scenery. he's as fun to watch as he is infuriating.
That Aud Smell Posted June 17, 2008 Report Posted June 17, 2008 deja vu as MEGO. i get the short-hand when texting, where (i believe) you get charged by the character ... but why ... why, in the name of all that is holy and spelled-out, why persist with them here on sabre space? \hikes black socks up to knees and goes out to tell those damn kids to get off the lawn.
Bmwolf21 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Posted June 17, 2008 welcome, beans. i am confident that the consensus around here (on this board) is that we should move him. for his own part, darcy acknowledged as much in his initial off-season remarks -- something to the effect of how max could do with a change of scenery. he's as fun to watch as he is infuriating. I'm confident that the overriding feeling on the board is that most of us would help him pack and drive him to the airport if we can get more than a 3rd-rounder for him. Or maybe that's just me. Your final sentence summed him up pretty well. Enough flash and talent to make you want to keep him, but too inconsistent, too many turnovers, too many bad penalties and too much potential versus not enough results have made me run out of patience with him.
nfreeman Posted June 17, 2008 Report Posted June 17, 2008 I wouldn't dump Max just for a 2nd-round pick. He had a lousy season last year but he was far from alone in that regard. I would, however, gladly package him with a pick and/or another one of our forwards for a top-4 defenseman or a top-2 center.
Bmwolf21 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Posted June 17, 2008 I wouldn't dump Max just for a 2nd-round pick. He had a lousy season last year but he was far from alone in that regard. I would, however, gladly package him with a pick and/or another one of our forwards for a top-4 defenseman or a top-2 center. The rest of the package better be pretty good, because I just don't see us getting a huge return on Max. There will be teams interested but I don't see anyone ponying up much for a guy who is very similar in terms of style and skills to Samsonov, who has been placed on waivers twice in the last couple years. Samsonov just hasn't had the same good luck in finding a front office patient enough to stick with him as long as we have with #61.
Chief Enabler Posted June 17, 2008 Report Posted June 17, 2008 \hikes black socks up to knees and goes out to tell those damn kids to get off the lawn. Thats pretty damn funny! :lol:
X. Benedict Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 The rest of the package better be pretty good, because I just don't see us getting a huge return on Max. There will be teams interested but I don't see anyone ponying up much for a guy who is very similar in terms of style and skills to Samsonov, who has been placed on waivers twice in the last couple years. Samsonov just hasn't had the same good luck in finding a front office patient enough to stick with him as long as we have with #61. I have to agree. I don't see a great return for Max. I think a late 2nd round pick might be the best we could hope for if he isn't packaged.
stenbaro Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 I have to agree. I don't see a great return for Max. I think a late 2nd round pick might be the best we could hope for if he isn't packaged. If they dont get better than a 2nd rd pick he will be here next yr..Darcy wont trade him straight up for a 2nd rd pick..
X. Benedict Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 If they dont get better than a 2nd rd pick he will be here next yr..Darcy wont trade him straight up for a 2nd rd pick.. Oh yes he would. If you can get Max off the books for a top 50 pick in this draft I think he takes it. There is very little chance of anyone giving up a first rounder for a 3.3 million 1 year contract.
R_Dudley Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 Oh yes he would. If you can get Max off the books for a top 50 pick in this draft I think he takes it. There is very little chance of anyone giving up a first rounder for a 3.3 million 1 year contract. Agreed I think they will do anything to free themselves of the current contract short of having to cover some of it to trade em.
stenbaro Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 Oh yes he would. If you can get Max off the books for a top 50 pick in this draft I think he takes it. There is very little chance of anyone giving up a first rounder for a 3.3 million 1 year contract. He had a bad year..But he doesnt get moved for a 2nd rdr..IMO...
X. Benedict Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 He had a bad year..But he doesnt get moved for a 2nd rdr..IMO... I know I've said this before, but this is no ordinary draft. I would take a flyer on the Staal brother in the 2nd round for the right to dump Max. Or Scott Arniel's son, or J.F. Sauve's.... or perhaps even Thomas McCullum if he is still around.
Bmwolf21 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 I know I've said this before, but this is no ordinary draft. I would take a flyer on the Staal brother in the 2nd round for the right to dump Max. Or Scott Arniel's son, or J.F. Sauve's.... or perhaps even Thomas McCullum if he is still around. Freeing the cap space is probably the biggest point, and the players available in the draft might be the icing on the cake for Darcy. Additionally the comments Darcy made at the end of the season lead me to believe that the franchise (and more to the point, Lindy) have reached their breaking point with Max and are ready to move on. With as frustrated as we get watching Max's inconsistency, I cannot imagine how the coaching staff must feel -- watching him in practice, seeing what he's capable of, then seeing him struggle in game situations to the point that Lindy benches him for stretches at a time. The other question is - Max has had two really good years out of eight, but the other six have been either big disappointments, injury-filled campaigns, or both. Is it more likely that he had two really good "perfect storm" seasons where the stars aligned perfectly - Lindy's system, the line he was on and regular, consistent linemates -- or more likely that he is the inconsistent player of the other six seasons, where he didn't score more than 40 points and only cracked 20 goals once?
WayneGibbous Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 How soon people forget. He had an amazing season in 06-07 and he had injuries last season. I'd give him another season and if the Sabres either miss the playoffs or are looking to improve at the deadline then we can dump him.
Knightrider Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 How soon people forget. He had an amazing season in 06-07 and he had injuries last season. I'd give him another season and if the Sabres either miss the playoffs or are looking to improve at the deadline then we can dump him. I didn't forget it anymore than I forgot the "new" NHL. He was a star in 05-06 and 06-07.
deluca67 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 How soon people forget. He had an amazing season in 06-07 and he had injuries last season. I'd give him another season and if the Sabres either miss the playoffs or are looking to improve at the deadline then we can dump him. Two decent regular seasons out of his eight? That's not enough to keep him around. Not to mention he is as useless as Andrew Peters in the playoffs. Not having him on the books for $3.5 million is more important than anything Regier could work back the Sabres way in a trade. Max would be the definition of addition by subtraction. The dream offseason for the Sabres has to include Max's and Connolly's departure.
thesportsbuff Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 if we can get jokinen (or better) for him and a package, then sure. anything less, no. he's still really dangerous imo.
Kristian Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 I'm confident that the overriding feeling on the board is that most of us would help him pack and drive him to the airport if we can get more than a 3rd-rounder for him. Or maybe that's just me. Your final sentence summed him up pretty well. Enough flash and talent to make you want to keep him, but too inconsistent, too many turnovers, too many bad penalties and too much potential versus not enough results have made me run out of patience with him. I'd pay his ticket as well, as long as he leaves.
Bmwolf21 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 Two decent regular seasons out of his eight? That's not enough to keep him around. Not to mention he is as useless as Andrew Peters in the playoffs. Not having him on the books for $3.5 million is more important than anything Regier could work back the Sabres way in a trade. Max would be the definition of addition by subtraction. The dream offseason for the Sabres has to include Max's and Connolly's departure. I mentioned the similarity between him and Samsonov earlier in the thread, and looking closer those two are eerily close in nearly every category: Reg Season Afinogenov - 521 GP, 128-186-314, -19; 0.60 PPG; 32 PPG, 59 PPA, 91 PPP; career highs 23 goals (06-07) 51 assists (05-06) and 73 points (05-06) Samsonov - 657 GP, 192-262-454, +36; 0.69 PPG; 42 PPA, 94 PPA, 136 PPP; career highs 29 goals (twice) 46 assists (00-01) and 75 points (00-01) Postseason Maxim - 49 GP, 10-13-23, +5; 0.47 PPG; 3 PPG, 2 GWG Sergei - 59 GP, 13-26-39, +5; 0.66 PPG; 1 PPG, 1 GWG
darksabre Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 I'd take a 2nd round pick in a heart beat. Yeesh, get him outta here. The only people who like him are chicks and those who know nothing about hockey. Or a combination of the two. Sorry, it's the truth. He's average at best.
Bmwolf21 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 I didn't forget it anymore than I forgot the "new" NHL. He was a star in 05-06 and 06-07. Amazing how his best seasons came at a time when the league was preventing defensemen from playing pretty much any sort of defense AND he was playing in Lindy's pond hockey system, isn't it?
nfreeman Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 The rest of the package better be pretty good, because I just don't see us getting a huge return on Max. There will be teams interested but I don't see anyone ponying up much for a guy who is very similar in terms of style and skills to Samsonov, who has been placed on waivers twice in the last couple years. Samsonov just hasn't had the same good luck in finding a front office patient enough to stick with him as long as we have with #61. I agree that we won't get much for him straight up, and to a lesser extent with the comparisons to Samsonov. (IMHO, Max is much faster than Samsonov, hustles more, is not as smart a player, and, I'd guess, is better liked by his teammates -- if only because I think Samsonov is disliked by his teammates). But in a package with, say, SJ's 1st-rounder and/or Stafford or Paille (or, preferably, MacArthur)? That's enough to get a #1 center, a top-2 defenseman or another first-rounder in this year's draft. Take away the draft pick (since I doubt we will trade it unless we get a first-rounder back) and it's still maybe enough for a #2 - #3 center or a top 4 defenseman. If they dont get better than a 2nd rd pick he will be here next yr..Darcy wont trade him straight up for a 2nd rd pick.. Oh yes he would. If you can get Max off the books for a top 50 pick in this draft I think he takes it. There is very little chance of anyone giving up a first rounder for a 3.3 million 1 year contract. Not sure if Darcy would in fact unload Max for a #2 pick in this year's draft but I think XB is probably right that he would. (I'm just not sure I would). XB is definitely right that we don't get a #1 this year for Max. Two decent regular seasons out of his eight? That's not enough to keep him around. Not to mention he is as useless as Andrew Peters in the playoffs. Not having him on the books for $3.5 million is more important than anything Regier could work back the Sabres way in a trade. Max would be the definition of addition by subtraction. The dream offseason for the Sabres has to include Max's and Connolly's departure. This is a bit harsh on 2 guys that have busted their butts for this team, but I must admit that it is a legitimate view. Unloading those 2 creates a solid $6.23 million in cap space. We could get a really good player for that. I'd take a 2nd round pick in a heart beat. Yeesh, get him outta here. The only people who like him are chicks and those who know nothing about hockey. Or a combination of the two. Sorry, it's the truth. He's average at best. very nice. I might be getting shamed into reconsidering.
stenbaro Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 I'd take a 2nd round pick in a heart beat. Yeesh, get him outta here. The only people who like him are chicks and those who know nothing about hockey. Or a combination of the two. Sorry, it's the truth. He's average at best. I guess we will see in 3 days who knows nothing about hockey....I can see him oughta here as well I just cant see it for a 2nd rdr straight up.. He put up better than average numbers, he is one of the faster skaters in hockey and some idiot GM will pay more than a 2nd rdr and Darcy knows it. I bet we see Paille or Stafford gone before or in a package to move way up in the first. Maybe he goes with one of those 2 but Darcy has tried 2 yrs in a row to get that first pick and though they probably dont get the number 1 this yr It wouldnt shock me to see them go after one of the top 3. And if they move any forwards this draft it will be to move up in the first rd not to clear wasted talent for a 2nd rd pick even if this draft is "loaded".IMO...
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