Campbell called out by Versus analysts...

[carpandean]

It looks like the love affair is wearing off with SJ fans...

 

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=512144

 

 

Our powerplay still sucks, our breakout still gets dominated, and that hole in our defense - because of guys playing too many minutes, not playing their roles, etc - well, that's still there too, its called Brian Campbell.

 

I have to say, I think Bernier would be alot more help right now than Campbell has.

Big time.

 

:w00t:

[LabattBlue]

It was a great deal for the Sabres no matter what Campbell did. They received a young winger with size and a 1st rounder for a decent, not great, offensive defenseman. I doubt these playoffs will have any bearing on his contract. Some GM will throw a ton of money at him just to try to appease their fans.

 

By the way, how is all that money the Rangers tossed at Drury and Gomez working out?

I do believe that Campbell's playoff performance could have an impact on the amount of money he gets. Granted it won't drop from 6-7 mil down to 3-4, but GM's will think long and hard before handing over 6 years 36-40 mil to Campbell.

 

PS The Rangers have reverted back to what they were several years ago. Overpay a bunch of veterans who don't mesh well and get bounced in the early rounds of the playoffs.

[Mike Oxhurtz]

Every ex-Sabre is the Anti-Christ, how dare they leave our team!!!!! (sarcasm)

[X. Benedict]

It looks like the love affair is wearing off with SJ fans...

 

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=512144

 

If SJ goes out in the 2nd round(which looks inevitable right now) and Campbell moves on in FA(which I think will happen), the return of Bernier and a 1st round pick will seem like a bargain.

 

It's tricky. If you invest 6 mil per year in Campbell, you still have to invest additional money in a shutdown pairing. So what do you do? If you are a GM you would love to have Campbell, but there is an opportunity cost if he is your highest compensated D man.

[deluca67]

Every ex-Sabre is the Anti-Christ, how dare they leave our team!!!!! (sarcasm)

It's not the ex Sabres. It's the fans that refuse to let go and as more time passes they get further away from the reasons those players are no longer Sabres. They get lumped in a single transaction instead of the individual decisions that had to be made.

[X. Benedict]

It looks like the love affair is wearing off with SJ fans...

 

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=512144

 

If SJ goes out in the 2nd round(which looks inevitable right now) and Campbell moves on in FA(which I think will happen), the return of Bernier and a 1st round pick will seem like a bargain.

 

If there was any year to have a second pick in the first round, it is this year.

This coming draft is the deepest in years. Even some good names should go late in that round: Toews (John's bro), Arniel (Scott's kid), Gustafsson (Bengee's kid - the former Cap and Sweden Head Coach). Tons of D prospects. I am excited about it.

 

(Okay I don't cut my lawn as much as I should, I like the hockey draft!)

[Goodfella25]

Every ex-Sabre is the Anti-Christ, how dare they leave our team!!!!! (sarcasm)

 

I don't know about everyone else, but for me the main reason I like to rip on the likes of Campbell, Briere, Drury is that they went to teams I don't like. So they put themselves in the line of fire. For example, anytime the Rangers lose I am happy, but watching Drury go down with them is like icing on the cake. I know there's the opportunity for some kind of "icing" hockey joke, but I can't figure it out.

[bottlecap]

through no fault of his own, Soupy is overrated. He's a great skater and can make plays,

but I think down low, on both ends, is his weak spot. And that's a crucial area for a d-man.

Plus it seems to me like he's got a confidence problem and isn't too bright. (his remarks at

the all-star game about expecting to lose his category were not impressive). In short,

Campbell is good enough to be a tease. an ice capades kinda guy.

 

Getting Bernier and a #1 was nice but it looks to me overall that our management is

over-matched with the complex situation of having too many good players at the same time

and, with no remaining scouting staff, on too tight of a budget.

[Bmwolf21]

through no fault of his own, Soupy is overrated. He's a great skater and can make plays,

but I think down low, on both ends, is his weak spot. And that's a crucial area for a d-man.

Plus it seems to me like he's got a confidence problem and isn't too bright. (his remarks at

the all-star game about expecting to lose his category were not impressive). In short,

Campbell is good enough to be a tease. an ice capades kinda guy.

 

Getting Bernier and a #1 was nice but it looks to me overall that our management is

over-matched with the complex situation of having too many good players at the same time

and, with no remaining scouting staff, on too tight of a budget.

I agree with the overall premise- that Soupy is overrated - but disagree with some of the rest of your post. The ASG comments? Meh. That's being realistic, considering the talent he was going up against.

 

And we actually do have a scouting staff. Despite the message board scuttlebutt to the contrary, it really isn't two guys, an Internet connection and YouTube. Looking at Sabres.com, there are seven amateur scouts and one pro scout listed in an overall scouting department of 11 people.

[Taro T]

I know this is all about calling out ex-Sabres' but the man this whole series has to fall on is Joe Thornton. Another forgettable playoff performance from a supposed "elite" player.

2 goals, 6 assists and he looks afraid to even handle the puck.

Thornton never seems to be able to find that "playoff" gear. Great regular season player; tends to become extremely average in the post-season.

 

Marleau is another that becomes average in the post-season. (Yeah, I know he battled hard in that game vs Calgary where he kept getting the snot knocked out of him, but doing a 2 legged flamingo goes a long way towards using up any credits built up. I may have to check out HNIC's archive to hear what Cherry had to say about that one.)

[bottlecap]

And we actually do have a scouting staff.

 

 

Now that's a relief! :death:

[tom webster]

I agree with the overall premise- that Soupy is overrated - but disagree with some of the rest of your post. The ASG comments? Meh. That's being realistic, considering the talent he was going up against.

 

And we actually do have a scouting staff. Despite the message board scuttlebutt to the contrary, it really isn't two guys, an Internet connection and YouTube. Looking at Sabres.com, there are seven amateur scouts and one pro scout listed in an overall scouting department of 11 people.

 

The problem is that 2 or 3 of those guys are actually video scouts and most of the guys that were responsible for what may have been the best scouting department in the league (Luce, Martin, Benning, Volek, et al) are not only gone but are working for teams that appear to be over taking Buffalo.

A lot of the scouts have also been replaced by younger (read cheaper) guys.

Its still too early to tell how successful this move will be, but they definitely cut costs at least in reference to percentage of budget.

[Bmwolf21]

The problem is that 2 or 3 of those guys are actually video scouts and most of the guys that were responsible for what may have been the best scouting department in the league (Luce, Martin, Benning, Volek, et al) are not only gone but are working for teams that appear to be over taking Buffalo.

A lot of the scouts have also been replaced by younger (read cheaper) guys.

Its still too early to tell how successful this move will be, but they definitely cut costs at least in reference to percentage of budget.

Ahh, now you're splitting hairs. The post I replied to stated we had no scouting staff. I simply pointed out that Yes, Virginia - there are scouts on the Sabres' payroll.

 

Whether they are "cheaper" or just "different" is open to debate, but it is way, way too early to run around crying about the scouting staff, IMO. In fact, some of that "greatest scouting department in the league" (also VERY debatable, considering Detroit's unparalleled success in finding superstars late in the draft) were responsible for the Max Afinogenov, Dmitri Kalinin and Al Kotalik eras, the first-round picks of Barrett Heistein, Artem Kryukov and Jiri Novotny and a second-round pick used on Andrew Peters. So while I might crack jokes about the Sabres going "YouTube" I'm not real worried yet - this team has shown they are very capable of missing on prospects and make bad picks with veteran, seasoned scouts.

[stenbaro]

What a freakin shot Campbell lasered to tie the game....Clutch time....Pay him....LOL....

[Kristian]

What a freakin shot Campbell lasered to tie the game....Clutch time....Pay him....LOL....

 

Hell yeah, with the game on the line you can always count on All-Star Brian....! Or not :thumbsup:

 

Seriously though, good for him.

 

But one play doesn't make him worth his asking price.

 

Just had to get that in here :P

[X. Benedict]

What a brilliant play to try down a goal in the third.

Roenick circles back to the defensive position and Soupy slips through the defense to get

a pass like a forward. Great pass and shot, and it caught them sleeping.

 

I'm sure that was a set they practiced and it worked like a charm.

Let's them live another day.

[stenbaro]

Hell yeah, with the game on the line you can always count on All-Star Brian....! Or not :thumbsup:

 

Seriously though, good for him.

 

But one play doesn't make him worth his asking price.

 

Just had to get that in here :P

If they win the series and its a big if you can turn to that goal as the turning point..aAnd then ask a Shark fan if he's worth it or not..LOL :thumbsup:

[X. Benedict]

If they win the series and its a big if you can turn to that goal as the turning point..aAnd then ask a Shark fan if he's worth it or not..LOL :thumbsup:

 

Either way, I am curious to see if San Jose signs him. I think the only way they do is if they win this series and go for

a long run in the WCF.

[carpandean]

But one play doesn't make him worth his asking price.

What's scary is that some GM will think otherwise.

[deluca67]

What's scary is that some GM will think otherwise.

As long as it's not the Sabre's GM I'm happy.

[tom webster]

What's scary is that some GM will think otherwise.

 

 

It isn't that one play that makes him worth more, it is the ability to make game changing, series changing plays that get the stars more money. Everyone has as anecdotal story about this or that fourth line player coming up big in an important game, but especially in the salary cap era, its is the stars that need to come up big when it matters most. It may be cliche, but in order to win championships, your best players have to be your best players and if that one play turns this series around(obviously no guarantee) that one play will be well worth it.

[carpandean]

It isn't that one play that makes him worth more, it is the ability to make game changing, series changing plays that get the stars more money. Everyone has as anecdotal story about this or that fourth line player coming up big in an important game, but especially in the salary cap era, its is the stars that need to come up big when it matters most. It may be cliche, but in order to win championships, your best players have to be your best players and if that one play turns this series around(obviously no guarantee) that one play will be well worth it.

It was a nice shot at an opportune time, but let's not get carried away. For the better part of two series, he was getting called out by everyone for not providing like the Sharks needed him to. He gets one nice feed to free him and a manages a nice shot, and suddenly he's back to being a star worth $6+ million per year? Marrow getting cross-checked in from behind in the crease such that he just missed actually making contact with the puck on the second "no goal" was at least as series turning. Michalek's goal to make it a one-goal game shortly there-after (not to mention his game winner in game 4) was just as series turning. Jeremy Roenick's pass was at least as series turning. Pavelski's OT goal, which was a result of his steal, his work and his shot was definitely just as series-turning. The Sharks are going to run out of money fast if they start paying all of these "stars" big money contracts. I will give you that Roenick has been playing like a young star again with his domination in game 7 against Calgary, his physical play last night and finally that feed. If he weren't like 50 years old, they'd probably throw him a big contract right now!

[tom webster]

It was a nice shot at an opportune time, but let's not get carried away. For the better part of two series, he was getting called out by everyone for not providing like the Sharks needed him to. He gets one nice feed to free him and a manages a nice shot, and suddenly he's back to being a star worth $6+ million per year? Marrow getting cross-checked in from behind in the crease such that he just missed actually making contact with the puck on the second "no goal" was at least as series turning. Michalek's goal to make it a one-goal game shortly there-after (not to mention his game winner in game 4) was just as series turning. Jeremy Roenick's pass was at least as series turning. Pavelski's OT goal, which was a result of his steal, his work and his shot was definitely just as series-turning. The Sharks are going to run out of money fast if they start paying all of these "stars" big money contracts. I will give you that Roenick has been playing like a young star again with his domination in game 7 against Calgary, his physical play last night and finally that feed. If he weren't like 50 years old, they'd probably throw him a big contract right now!

 

I wasn't implying any of that or even suggesting that Campbell is that player, just making a point that its those special plays that define certain players and their value. I would agree that he has been a non factor or a negative factor for most of the playoffs.

I think he is going to get more then $6 million but I am happy that it won't be from Buffalo.

 

EDIT: If only Holzinger crossed check Hull back in '98........

[stenbaro]

As long as it's not the Sabre's GM I'm happy.

Yes me 2..I love watching the playoffs with absolutely no interest other than to watch everyone make excuse after excuse as to why the Sabres are better off without the players they LET leave

[connee]

Yes me 2..I love watching the playoffs with absolutely no interest other than to watch everyone make excuse after excuse as to why the Sabres are better off without the players they LET leave

You still don't get it, do you. Here's a guy who directly lost a 3rd straight elimination game because he can't play defense. He did it against Carolina, he did it against Ottawa, and he did it again last night against Dallas. And little Buffalo in the post failed lockout era is supposed to throw $36 million at him .

People like you will never get it. :wallbash: