Avery is a POS

[SabresFanInRochester]

Did you see him screening Brodeur? The announcers wanted to blow him for his creativity. I think he is a POS. The only thing he ever did that I liked was Elisha Cuthbert.

[Buffalo Wings]

Did you see him screening Brodeur? The announcers wanted to blow him for his creativity. I think he is a POS. The only thing he ever did that I liked was Elisha Cuthbert.

Technically, what he did wasn't illegal - he never touched Brodeur nor were his skates in the crease. He was playing like a cornerback covering a WR in the NFL.

 

That said, I don't know how smart it is....he could've been drilled in the back of the head with a deflected shot. I thought it was a bit over the line, since one could take that as taunting the goaltender.

 

Then to top it off, he scores 15 seconds later. He's the biggest PITA to every team in the NHL except for the one he plays.

[X. Benedict]

I don't know, he should get crosschecked in the yapp for doing that, and any official worth his salt should call a offsetting minors.

[Buffalo Wings]

I don't know, he should get crosschecked in the yapp for doing that, and any official worth his salt should call a offsetting minors.

If he just stood there facing Brodeur and didn't wave his stick by Marty's head, I'd have no problem with it. But waving the stick (like penalty-killers occasionally do) up high was a little much. Brodeur rightly gave him a couple of quick shots.

[SabresFanInRochester]

Technically, what he did wasn't illegal - he never touched Brodeur nor were his skates in the crease. He was playing like a cornerback covering a WR in the NFL.

 

That said, I don't know how smart it is....he could've been drilled in the back of the head with a deflected shot. I thought it was a bit over the line, since one could take that as taunting the goaltender.

 

Then to top it off, he scores 15 seconds later. He's the biggest PITA to every team in the NHL except for the one he plays.

 

Technically, your comparison to a NFL cornerback is invalid. You cannot face guard a player. Whether what Avery did was legal or not, I've always hated that bastard.

 

I recall last year in the playoffs, when Avery was being advertised as a big instigator after the first round (I believe against Atlanta.) Oh, Buffalo was going to have their hands full. Did Avery play in that series against Buffalo??? ha ha ha

 

(Sigh - must reminisce to last year when thinking about Buffalo playoff hockey)

[millbank]

Yes it was illegal. If you go to the Unsportsmanship rule. of rule book it clearly defines his actions as illegal and such actions warrant a ten minute misconduct penalty. What he did was not smart , it was poor sportsmanship, way way over the line.

 

-Ron McClean read out rule , it is clear.

 

Technically, what he did wasn't illegal - he never touched Brodeur nor were his skates in the crease. He was playing like a cornerback covering a WR in the NFL.

 

That said, I don't know how smart it is....he could've been drilled in the back of the head with a deflected shot. I thought it was a bit over the line, since one could take that as taunting the goaltender.

 

Then to top it off, he scores 15 seconds later. He's the biggest PITA to every team in the NHL except for the one he plays.

[millbank]

No argument about that. He is a super pest and can score some. He is a most important player to Rangers.

 

And yet...I'd still love to have him. he gets a little carried away at times but he can play the game and he brings a lot. The Rangers are way better with him in the lineup this year as opposed to w/o.

 

He protects other players in a weird way too since EVERYONE guns for him it gives other lines a little more breathing room on the physical/chippy side.

[Bmwolf21]

Technically, your comparison to a NFL cornerback is invalid. You cannot face guard a player. Whether what Avery did was legal or not, I've always hated that bastard.

The NFL used to have a face guarding penalty but apparently got rid of it a few years back, so now there has to be contact. LINK to an article with Jerry Markbreit explaining.

 

Yes it was illegal. If you go to the Unsportsmanship rule. of rule book it clearly defines his actions as illegal and such actions warrant a ten minute misconduct penalty. What he did was not smart , it was poor sportsmanship, way way over the line.

 

-Ron McClean read out rule , it is clear.

What rule did he read? Just trying to figure it out, because I missed the whole incident and we didn't get the CBC feed.

[millbank]

Its late for me. Its in the Official NHL rule book , I believe under poor sportsmanship. I will find the rule and its number and what it specifically says tomorrow if someone else hasn't. ( must be up at four for the cows :blush: )

unsportsmanlike conduct

 

scroll down to G./

 

A misconduct penalty shall be imposed on any player who persists in any course of conduct (including threatening or abusive language or gestures or similar actions) designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty.

 

 

 

The NFL used to have a face guarding penalty but apparently got rid of it a few years back, so now there has to be contact. LINK to an article with Jerry Markbreit explaining.

What rule did he read? Just trying to figure it out, because I missed the whole incident and we didn't get the CBC feed.

[Bmwolf21]

Its late for me. Its in the Official NHL rule book , I believe under poor sportsmanship. I will find the rule and its number and what it specifically says tomorrow if someone else hasn't. ( must be up at four for the cows :blush: )

I was just wondering what basis, since the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty is pretty specific in most cases. The one I thought might fit was this (this is for a 10-minute misconduct):

 

Rule 75.4

(iii) Any player or goalkeeper who, after warning by the Referee, persists in any course of conduct (including threatening or abusive language or gestures or similar actions) designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty.

 

EDIT: I was posting and copying & pasting when millbank posted his response. Once again I want to say something about great minds thinking alike, but he's a Leafs fan, so... ;)

[tom webster]

Its late for me. Its in the Official NHL rule book , I believe under poor sportsmanship. I will find the rule and its number and what it specifically says tomorrow if someone else hasn't. ( must be up at four for the cows :blush: )

unsportsmanlike conduct

 

scroll down to G./

 

A misconduct penalty shall be imposed on any player who persists in any course of conduct (including threatening or abusive language or gestures or similar actions) designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty.

 

I was almost sure that there was a specific rule against what he was doing. If this wasn't the NHL, I'd say there will be a rule next year, since its the NHL, there's probably already a rule for the Calgary/San Jose game.

[ofiba]

Technically, your comparison to a NFL cornerback is invalid. You cannot face guard a player. Whether what Avery did was legal or not, I've always hated that bastard.

 

I recall last year in the playoffs, when Avery was being advertised as a big instigator after the first round (I believe against Atlanta.) Oh, Buffalo was going to have their hands full. Did Avery play in that series against Buffalo??? ha ha ha

 

(Sigh - must reminisce to last year when thinking about Buffalo playoff hockey)

 

Yes you can. As long as you don't touch him.

[millbank]

Hey , I am a Leaf fan, but I have been rooting for the Sabres along with the rest of you. :)

 

It seems Bettmen is going to do something about Avery's stick waving today. Will be interesting to see what. I suspect it will be along the unsportsmanlike conduct rule contention.

 

 

I was just wondering what basis, since the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty is pretty specific in most cases. The one I thought might fit was this (this is for a 10-minute misconduct):

 

Rule 75.4

(iii) Any player or goalkeeper who, after warning by the Referee, persists in any course of conduct (including threatening or abusive language or gestures or similar actions) designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty.

 

EDIT: I was posting and copying & pasting when millbank posted his response. Once again I want to say something about great minds thinking alike, but he's a Leafs fan, so... ;)

[SabresFanInRochester]

Yes you can. As long as you don't touch him.

 

Not sure if you're referencing the NFL or the NHL. In the NFL, you need to make a play on the ball, or it is illegal. Hence, face guarding is interference. My comment was regarding the post that a corner back face guarding a receiver is a bad comparison because that is illegal. (And my official position on the NHL was it didn't matter, Avery is still a POS.)

[Buffalo Wings]

I was just wondering what basis, since the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty is pretty specific in most cases. The one I thought might fit was this (this is for a 10-minute misconduct):

 

Rule 75.4

(iii) Any player or goalkeeper who, after warning by the Referee, persists in any course of conduct (including threatening or abusive language or gestures or similar actions) designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty.

 

EDIT: I was posting and copying & pasting when millbank posted his response. Once again I want to say something about great minds thinking alike, but he's a Leafs fan, so... ;)

I don't know if Avery was warned at all, but he kept at it for a good 30 seconds. Given the way he screened Brodeur, I don't even know if the referee could even say anything to him. Like I said, he never touched Brodeur nor was he in the crease at all.

 

It was a pretty...uh...creative way of screening the goalie, but I don't necessarily think it was too bright. I'm a tad surprised that the Devils' defense let him do that, but if I recall correctly, another Ranger forward was standing in the normal position where you'd see an offensive player screening the goalie and the Devils' defense was paying enough attention to him.

 

I guess it all works out, since the Rangers lost. :lol:

[elcrusho]

I recall last year in the playoffs, when Avery was being advertised as a big instigator after the first round (I believe against Atlanta.) Oh, Buffalo was going to have their hands full. Did Avery play in that series against Buffalo??? ha ha ha

 

Yeah...

 

he did...

[Buffalo Wings]

I recall last year in the playoffs, when Avery was being advertised as a big instigator after the first round (I believe against Atlanta.) Oh, Buffalo was going to have their hands full. Did Avery play in that series against Buffalo??? ha ha ha

 

(Sigh - must reminisce to last year when thinking about Buffalo playoff hockey)

Yeah, he sure did play....and took enough penalties early on that he wasn't much of a factor in the series.

[millbank]

A player cannot gesture as though he is going to hit another player, not only did he wave his stick he gestured. Its not about if he touched him or not. What he did called for a unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. It was not creative it was wrong. Even Avery's team mates told him to knock it off. You can be sure such will not happen again with the only result some musing how brilliant the perpetrator was. Avery is a great pest , no doubt , but his actions were low, disrespectful to the game and its players and cannot and will not be allowed.

 

I don't know if Avery was warned at all, but he kept at it for a good 30 seconds. Given the way he screened Brodeur, I don't even know if the referee could even say anything to him. Like I said, he never touched Brodeur nor was he in the crease at all.

 

It was a pretty...uh...creative way of screening the goalie, but I don't necessarily think it was too bright. I'm a tad surprised that the Devils' defense let him do that, but if I recall correctly, another Ranger forward was standing in the normal position where you'd see an offensive player screening the goalie and the Devils' defense was paying enough attention to him.

 

I guess it all works out, since the Rangers lost. :lol:

[That Aud Smell]

i'm late to the issue -- i saw the roundtable on tsn.com/.ca and agreed with mckenzie's take (it ain't illegal, but will be prohibited via memorandum from nhl hq) -- this reminds me of the issue that mlb had back in the day with some guys rounding the bases backward after a homerun -- it wasn't speicifically illegal under any of the existing rules, but was thereafter prohibited by the commissioner as conduct unbecoming the sport (i'm sure there was a catchall rule to that effect -- there should be one for the nhl as well).

[millbank]

Rule 75.4

(iii) Any player or goalkeeper who, after warning by the Referee, persists in any course of conduct (including threatening or abusive language or gestures or similar actions) designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty.

 

this does cover it.

 

 

 

i'm late to the issue -- i saw the roundtable on tsn.com/.ca and agreed with mckenzie's take (it ain't illegal, but will be prohibited via memorandum from nhl hq) -- this reminds me of the issue that mlb had back in the day with some guys rounding the bases backward after a homerun -- it wasn't speicifically illegal under any of the existing rules, but was thereafter prohibited by the commissioner as conduct unbecoming the sport (i'm sure there was a catchall rule to that effect -- there should be one for the nhl as well).

[SwampD]

I agree that Avery is a POS. I also argee that it is a penalty under the rules. But I still think think the whole thing is kindy funny and makes me laugh. I was trying to figure out why Avery makes me so mad and it wasn't because of the crap he pulls. It's that he never gets penalized for it. He's just trying to win and is doing whatever he can, including cheating, to make that happen(something that is foreign to us here in Buff as of late). He interferes with goalies all the time and never gets called on it. Also, Marty's no saint. He pulls his share of whacks to the ankles and jabs to the groin all the time.

 

There's no way I would want him on the Sabres but I sure would like to see half of his passion in some of the players we have.

[SabresFanInRochester]

Yeah, he sure did play....and took enough penalties early on that he wasn't much of a factor in the series.

 

During the 2nd intermission of the Flames/Sharks game, Jones made a comment about Avery. He said last year in the playoffs, he was a non-factor against Buffalo, because Buffalo basically ignored him. He said the way to beat Avery is to ignore him, and the Devils are doing that. He took penalties last year, per your observation, and he had a couple against the Devils last night.

[rbochan]

I agree that Avery is a POS. I also argee that it is a penalty under the rules...

I also think it would have been worth a 10 minute/game misconduct for one of the Devils d-men that was warming the bench.

[apuszczalowski]

During the 2nd intermission of the Flames/Sharks game, Jones made a comment about Avery. He said last year in the playoffs, he was a non-factor against Buffalo, because Buffalo basically ignored him. He said the way to beat Avery is to ignore him, and the Devils are doing that. He took penalties last year, per your observation, and he had a couple against the Devils last night.

Yup, and in the first series, Kovalchuk and the Thrashers let him bother them and was a huge factor in them exiting the playoffs rather quickly

[SabresFanInRochester]

I agree that Avery is a POS. I also argee that it is a penalty under the rules. But I still think think the whole thing is kindy funny and makes me laugh. I was trying to figure out why Avery makes me so mad and it wasn't because of the crap he pulls. It's that he never gets penalized for it. He's just trying to win and is doing whatever he can, including cheating, to make that happen(something that is foreign to us here in Buff as of late). He interferes with goalies all the time and never gets called on it. Also, Marty's no saint. He pulls his share of whacks to the ankles and jabs to the groin all the time.

 

There's no way I would want him on the Sabres but I sure would like to see half of his passion in some of the players we have.

 

Very well said. It would be nice to see someone in Buffalo give that type of solid effort, consistently. Even though what Avery did was unconventional, it drew attention to his effort.