Danny Briere 2 goals last night

[X. Benedict]

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She thought Philly would be a better environment?

 

I don't know if Briere's wife is Franco-phone, but all the friends I've had in Montreal say there are all kinds of schooling issues with the language thing.

[LabattBlue]

33 pages in, I haven't really read this thread at all and I just wanted to chime in...

 

 

GO SABRES!!!!! :)

[BetweenThePipes00]

33 pages in, I haven't really read this thread at all and I just wanted to chime in...

 

GO SABRES!!!!! :)

Me too!

[apuszczalowski]

I don't know if Briere's wife is Franco-phone, but all the friends I've had in Montreal say there are all kinds of schooling issues with the language thing.

That could be a problem if she isn't franco-phone and the kids aren't fluid in French. Quebec isn't the greatest place if you only speak english

[Bmwolf21]

That Drury GTG still gives me chills... :worthy:

 

On a side note - look at the guys on the ice for that tying goal and their role this year: Drury (gone) Briere (gone) Zubrus (gone) Connolly (played 1/2 of the year) Teppo (played what, one game) Vanek (struggled for most of the year under his big-ass contract.)

 

Sad.

I fixed it for you. Money is not an on ice game changer IMO... As much as we try so hard to make it be.

No, it was right the first time. We've seen how much pressure the kid puts on himself, and this year he was feeling it more. I don't doubt the loss of Dru/Danny hurt, maybe almost as much as the pressure from his record contract, but I simply refuse to believe that TV can easily separate the pressures of his big salary from how he plays on the ice.

[nfreeman]

That could be a problem if she isn't franco-phone and the kids aren't fluid in French. Quebec isn't the greatest place if you only speak english

 

No matter what language, the kids are almost certainly solid (although most kids are gaseous from time to time).

[tom webster]

That could be a problem if she isn't franco-phone and the kids aren't fluid in French. Quebec isn't the greatest place if you only speak english

 

 

For the record, Mrs. Briere, (Sylvie) is french canadian and the kids are fluent in french. Don't know her feelings oin anything else about the potential move, but language is not a problem.

[tom webster]

Regier mentioned something during a interview with S&B about making a inquiry if I recall correctly. Could you imagine the pressure on the kid if the Sabres gave up Vanek and Roy for his rights?

 

 

In fact, Reiger made such a point in that interview himself.

 

The story that I heard, and I stress that I don't believe this scenario, but it is what I heard, was that Pat Brisson, both Kane and Briere's agent, proposed a scenario where Buffalo would trade Roy and Vanek to the Hawks for the rights to Kane and that Briere would also sign here. The thinking on his part was that Buffalo would end up with Drury, Briere and Kane for Vanek and Roy. (At this time most people still assumed that Drury was signing with Buffalo).

If this did happen, I doubt that Reiger or Quinn gave it serious thought, but who knows.

[stenbaro]

Regier mentioned something during a interview with S&B about making a inquiry if I recall correctly. Could you imagine the pressure on the kid if the Sabres gave up Vanek and Roy for his rights?

It wouldve been enormous...That wouldve been a bad deal in the words of Howie Mandel

[stenbaro]

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She thought Philly would be a better environment?

Maybe Danny and Marvin harrison can start hanging out..LOL :ph34r:

[Mike Oxhurtz]

Maybe Danny and Marvin harrison can start hanging out..LOL :ph34r:

 

Danny is a great shooter on ice, and Marvin is a shooter too, so I can see that one working out.

[Mike Oxhurtz]

Ding, Ding, Ding...We've made it to 34!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[carpandean]

Coming faster now:

 

1 .. 2 .. 3 .. 4 .. 5 .. 6 .. 7 .. 8 .. 9 .. 10 .. 11 .. 12 .. 13 .. 14 .. 15 .. 16 .. 17 .. 18 .. 19 .. 20 .. 21 .. 22 .. 23 .. 24 .. 25 .. 26 .. 27 .. 28 .. 29 .. 30 .. 31 .. 32 .. 33 .. 34 ..

WE WANT 35!!!!!

 

 

 

and, no, not these guys:

[Chief Enabler]

I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers, but Philly's deal is $52 million with the last two years being 3 and 2, thus being eligible for a two thirds buy out.

Secondly, Briere had been ripped in Montreal because he acknowledged that Montreal's offer was better but he didn't want the pressure of playing in his hometown.

All of this is public knowledge and available in any sources you prefer. No insider info necessary.

I came across two things here.

briere signing #1 8 for 52

Courier Post article 8 for 58? :blink:

 

 

"If you believe everything that was reported in the Montreal newspapers over the summer, Briere turned down a six-year, $48 million contract offer by the Canadiens and accepted an eight-year, $58 million contract to play for the Flyers.

 

Canadiens general manager Bob Gainey reportedly came back with a more lucrative offer than the one tendered by Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren, but Briere refused."

 

"It was a decision he made with his family and he obviously had his reasons," Canadiens coach Guy Carbonneau said. "He's happy there and we're happy here."

 

This should put some gas on the fire of this thread! :nana: 35!

[tom webster]

I came across two things here.

briere signing #1 8 for 52

Courier Post article 8 for 58? :blink:

"If you believe everything that was reported in the Montreal newspapers over the summer, Briere turned down a six-year, $48 million contract offer by the Canadiens and accepted an eight-year, $58 million contract to play for the Flyers.

 

Canadiens general manager Bob Gainey reportedly came back with a more lucrative offer than the one tendered by Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren, but Briere refused."

 

"It was a decision he made with his family and he obviously had his reasons," Canadiens coach Guy Carbonneau said. "He's happy there and we're happy here."

 

This should put some gas on the fire of this thread! :nana: 35!

 

You just have to look at any site reporting Briere's cap hit and it is clear he signed for $52 million.

As for Montreal's offer, Briere and Brissom are on record as saying that Montreal's offer exceeded Philly's.

[tom webster]

For the record, Playoff stats for the last three years;

 

 

Briere 46 games, 19 goals, 29 assists, 48 points, +4

Pronger 49 10 31 41 +19

Zetterberg 34 19 14 33 +9

Selanne 43 13 20 33 Even

Datsyuk 33 13 19 32 +9

Getzlaff 43 12 17 29 -4

Lidstrom 34 7 20 27 +3

[carpandean]

For the record, Playoff stats for the last three years;

Briere 46 games, 19 goals, 29 assists, 48 points, +4

Pronger 49 10 31 41 +19

Zetterberg 34 19 14 33 +9

Selanne 43 13 20 33 Even

Datsyuk 33 13 19 32 +9

Getzlaff 43 12 17 29 -4

Lidstrom 34 7 20 27 +3

Two comments:

1) Franzen may hit 19 goals this year.

2) Do you have TOI stats for PK, PP, when the game is on the the line (i) protecting a small lead at the end, or (ii) when trying to come back from a small deficit at the end?

 

All these stats are just proxies for contribution and none measures it perfectly.

[Bmwolf21]

For the record, Playoff stats for the last three years;

Briere 46 games, 19 goals, 29 assists, 48 points, +4

Pronger 49 10 31 41 +19 - 06-07 CUP CHAMPION

Zetterberg 34 19 14 33 +9

Selanne 43 13 20 33 Even - 06-07 CUP CHAMPION

Datsyuk 33 13 19 32 +9 - 01-02 CUP CHAMPION and Conn Smythe winner

Getzlaff 43 12 17 29 -4 - 06-07 CUP CHAMPION

Lidstrom 34 7 20 27 +3 - 01-02 CUP CHAMPION

And nearly every player on that list - with two exceptions - has a Stanley Cup ring on his hand.

 

16 wins is the only stat that matters in the postseason.

[tom webster]

And nearly every player on that list - with two exceptions - has a Stanley Cup ring on his hand.

 

16 wins is the only stat that matters in the postseason.

 

 

They all have one thing in common;

 

They all came up short one time or another when their team needed them, but to hear some people on this board talk, only one guy did.

 

And yes Carp, Danny is not one the ice in all situations, but his contributions are appreciated by his teammates if not by his ex fans. He's been a significant contributor on teams that have made it to the conference finals three years running and I'm not sure that if he was the only player added to this year's edition to the Buffalo Sabres if they wouldn't be still playing.

[Mike Oxhurtz]

For the record, Playoff stats for the last three years;

Briere 46 games, 19 goals, 29 assists, 48 points, +4

Pronger 49 10 31 41 +19

Zetterberg 34 19 14 33 +9

Selanne 43 13 20 33 Even

Datsyuk 33 13 19 32 +9

Getzlaff 43 12 17 29 -4

Lidstrom 34 7 20 27 +3

 

Wow, according to some people, Briere's plus/minus was a -99999999999

[Bmwolf21]

They all have one thing in common;

 

They all came up short one time or another when their team needed them, but to hear some people on this board talk, only one guy did.

 

And yes Carp, Danny is not one the ice in all situations, but his contributions are appreciated by his teammates if not by his ex fans. He's been a significant contributor on teams that have made it to the conference finals three years running and I'm not sure that if he was the only player added to this year's edition to the Buffalo Sabres if they wouldn't be still playing.

You went a helluva long way to make that point, arbitrarily picking and choosing guys (two defensemen?) to match against Danny, and especially by picking three guys on that list who were on the last Cup champion.

 

But for comparison's sake, here are last year's playoffs numbers for the group you arbitrarily picked:

 

Total Scoring

Lidstrom - 18 GP, 4-14-18, +4; 1.00 points per game

Getzlaf - 21 GP, 7-10-17, +1; 0.81 PPG

Datsyuk - 18 GP, 8-8-16, +2; 0.89 PPG

Danny - 16 GP, 3-12-15, +3; 0.94 PPG

Pronger - 19 GP, 3-12-15, +10; 0.79 PPG

Selanne - 21 GP, 5-10-15, +1; 0.71 PPG

Zetterberg - 18 GP, 6-8-14,+1; 0.78 PPG

 

PP Scoring

Lidstrom - 4-8-12

Zetterberg - 3-6-9

Getzlaf - 3-5-8

Datsyuk - 4-4-8

Danny - 2-5-7

Pronger - 1-6-7

Selanne - 0-6-6

 

So for those scoring at home, Danny was 2-5-7 in PP scoring in last year's playoffs, while in 16 games he managed to provide 1 ES goal and 8 ES points.

[tom webster]

You went a helluva long way to make that point, arbitrarily picking and choosing guys (two defensemen?) to match against Danny, and especially by picking three guys on that list who were on the last Cup champion.

 

But for comparison's sake, here are last year's playoffs numbers for the group you arbitrarily picked:

 

Total Scoring

Lidstrom - 18 GP, 4-14-18, +4; 1.00 points per game

Getzlaf - 21 GP, 7-10-17, +1; 0.81 PPG

Datsyuk - 18 GP, 8-8-16, +2; 0.89 PPG

Danny - 16 GP, 3-12-15, +3; 0.94 PPG

Pronger - 19 GP, 3-12-15, +10; 0.79 PPG

Selanne - 21 GP, 5-10-15, +1; 0.71 PPG

Zetterberg - 18 GP, 6-8-14,+1; 0.78 PPG

 

PP Scoring

Lidstrom - 4-8-12

Zetterberg - 3-6-9

Getzlaf - 3-5-8

Datsyuk - 4-4-8

Danny - 2-5-7

Pronger - 1-6-7

Selanne - 0-6-6

 

So for those scoring at home, Danny was 2-5-7 in PP scoring in last year's playoffs, while in 16 games he managed to provide 1 ES goal and 8 ES points.

 

I didn't arbitrarily pick anything. Those players are the leading scorers for the last three years! In other words NOBODY ELSE , FORWARD OR DEFENSEMEN SCORED MORE! Maybe I should have only counted games played on Tuesday. You guys talk about power play goals like they count less, maybe if Buffalo scored a few more they would still be lpaying.

You are the one who has picked and decided what years to count and not count!

I am told he is not an elite offensive player, but for the last three years he has led the league in scoring in the playoffs and even DeLuca's attempt to discredit him by using the notorious point per game stat he finished 11th in the league his last two years with Buffalo and in spite of a down offensive year, still finished 40th in the league/

[Bmwolf21]

Don't get all bent out of shape, tom. First off, as carp said, providing context to whatever stats you are posting helps a lot in framing the discussion. Where did you get a list of the leading playoff scorers from the last three years? Because I can tell you there are some names missing - my quick check of ONE ROSTER shows three guys that aren't on your list of leaders (guys who would rank 3rd, 4th and 8th):

-Alfredsson (32 GP, 16-16-32, +4)

-Heatley (34 GP, 10-24-34, E)

-Spezza (34 GP, 12-27-35, E.)

 

So for comparison's sake, here is where your list looks like with the Sens included:

 

Briere 46 games, 19 goals, 29 assists, 48 points, +4

Pronger 49 10 31 41 +19

Spezza - 34 GP, 12-27-35, E

Heatley - 34 GP, 10-24-34, E

Zetterberg 34 19 14 33 +9

Selanne 43 13 20 33 Even

Alfredsson 32 GP, 16-16-32, +4

Datsyuk 33 13 19 32 +9

Getzlaff 43 12 17 29 -4

Lidstrom 34 7 20 27 +3

 

 

Are there any other players missing? Carolina (Eric Staal had 28 points en route the Canes' Cup) or Dallas (Richards 27 points over the last three playoff years) perhaps?

[SDS]

Don't get all bent out of shape, tom. First off, as carp said, providing context to whatever stats you are posting helps a lot in framing the discussion. Where did you get a list of the leading playoff scorers from the last three years? Because I can tell you there are some names missing - my quick check of ONE ROSTER shows three guys that aren't on your list of leaders (guys who would rank 3rd, 4th and 8th):

-Alfredsson (32 GP, 16-16-32, +4)

-Heatley (34 GP, 10-24-34, E)

-Spezza (34 GP, 12-27-35, E.)

 

So for comparison's sake, here is where your list looks like with the Sens included:

 

Briere 46 games, 19 goals, 29 assists, 48 points, +4

Pronger 49 10 31 41 +19

Spezza - 34 GP, 12-27-35, E

Heatley - 34 GP, 10-24-34, E

Zetterberg 34 19 14 33 +9

Selanne 43 13 20 33 Even

Alfredsson 32 GP, 16-16-32, +4

Datsyuk 33 13 19 32 +9

Getzlaff 43 12 17 29 -4

Lidstrom 34 7 20 27 +3

Are there any other players missing? Carolina (Eric Staal had 28 points en route the Canes' Cup) or Dallas (Richards 27 points over the last three playoff years) perhaps?

 

It's a crappy argument in the 1st place.... How many teams played 16 playoff games last year and 18 the year before? Half the players mentioned played 30% fewer games. :thumbdown:

 

Here is a question: How many players scored more than 3 goals in the playoffs last year?

[Bmwolf21]

It's a crappy argument in the 1st place.... How many teams played 16 playoff games last year and 18 the year before? Half the players mentioned played 30% fewer games. :thumbdown:

 

Here is a question: How many players scored more than 3 goals in the playoffs last year?

I agree it's a crappy argument - from either side. I just feel like if you're going to put numbers out there like that, they need to be in some sort of context and they need to be complete, not just some guys on some teams.

 

FWIW, last year there were 33 players who scored 4 or more playoff goals. There were 22 players who scored 3 goals in last year's playoffs.