Danny Briere 2 goals last night

[wonderbread]

I think I said about 6 pages ago that this thread really has legs...does anyone know what the record is for # of pages?

 

 

Hayden?

[ExiledInIllinois]

I think I said about 6 pages ago that this thread really has legs...does anyone know what the record is for # of pages?

 

It will... NYR and PHIL in the ECF vs. SJS For the Cup... The debate will rage till the final horn!

 

:chris: :chris:

[deluca67]

You need a better understanding of +/- and the fact that since the lockout the power play has become such a factor. Plus minus figures throughout the league are lower than they have been in the recent past.

Consider, if your star player plays against the other teams top line and constantly breaks even but because of him your power play in first in the conference and scores 20 to 30 more goals than the tenth place team and because of it, you make the playoffs.

+/- can also be very misleading. Briere was a -3 in game six of the Washingtom series and wasn't directly involved in any of those 3 goals. It works the other way, too. It is why +/- is only used when it fits somebody's argument.

Thank you for making my point. He wasn't involved in those three goals. Maybe if he got involved in the defensive end they wouldn't have scored two of the three goals.

 

Goal one - Briere got caught in the defensive and didn't make it back in time.

Goal two - Briere gets bounced off the puck in the corner which leads to the goal.

Goal three - Briere is in his usual stance away from the play just sitting there while OV steals and is off to the races.

 

You have identified my biggest problem with Briere. He isn't "involved" defensively which why he is over paid and not a player I would ever want to see as Captain of the Sabres again.

[deluca67]

One needs look no further than Vanek's +47 last year for proof of that.

Vanek had a great year. +47 and that didn't included the 22 power play points he had. Maybe Vanek's struggles this season is the major reason the Sabres didn't make the playoffs.

[Bmwolf21]

Vanek had a great year. +47 and that didn't included the 22 power play points he had. Maybe Vanek's struggles this season is the major reason the Sabres didn't make the playoffs.

He did have a great year - in a "perfect storm" setting. He was the 3rd-line winger on a team that scored ~300 goals and had a 60-goal differential; he benefited from teams focusing on the top-2 lines; the defense and goaltending were much better, bailing out forwards who didn't backcheck well or regularly; Max hadn't yet slipped back into his pre-lockout form; and for most of the year he had a pretty defensively-responsible center (Roy) helping cover in the Sabres' end.

[deluca67]

He did have a great year - in a "perfect storm" setting. He was the 3rd-line winger on a team that scored ~300 goals and had a 60-goal differential; he benefited from teams focusing on the top-2 lines; the defense and goaltending were much better, bailing out forwards who didn't backcheck well or regularly; Max hadn't yet slipped back into his pre-lockout form; and for most of the year he had a pretty defensively-responsible center (Roy) helping cover in the Sabres' end.

One thing to remember is that he is only 24. Despite his struggles he did follow it up with a pretty decent year. 104 goals in his first three seasons is a really good start to a career. I'm hoping 2008 is a bounce back year which sounds funny a player has to bounce back from 36 goals. I think the kid is going to put up 50 next season. He should have had 50 this season. I hope a year from now we are talking about the Sabres in the playoffs with 50 goal scorer Vanek and a pair of 100 points players in Roy and Pominville.

[tom webster]

Thank you for making my point. He wasn't involved in those three goals. Maybe if he got involved in the defensive end they wouldn't have scored two of the three goals.

 

Goal one - Briere got caught in the defensive and didn't make it back in time.

Goal two - Briere gets bounced off the puck in the corner which leads to the goal.

Goal three - Briere is in his usual stance away from the play just sitting there while OV steals and is off to the races.

 

You have identified my biggest problem with Briere. He isn't "involved" defensively which why he is over paid and not a player I would ever want to see as Captain of the Sabres again.

 

You just showed how ridiculous and irrational your attacks on him.

 

Goal 1 - he is finishing his check as a harmless looking play heads up ice. If he turns away from the guy, you would have ripped him for that.

Goal 2 - honestly don't remember

Goal 3 - You have got to be kidding. The only way anybody on Philly other then Braydon Coburn is responsible for this play is if the rest of the guys were supposed to be carrying weapons to take down Ovechkin. Not to meantion that if Briere was breaking for the offensive zone while the puck was still in his defensive zone, ala Ovechkin, you would have villified him for that.

 

It is too bad you can't see yourself clear to ever see two sides of an argument. It makes the rest of your arguments, sometimes very valid, moot.

[stenbaro]

I don't think I do... Because to me leadership is more than what you say... I do agree that your point is critical.

 

A true leader would have NOT been offended like they (CD/DB) were... They aren't even captains on their current teams.

 

I might agree more with you if they played in BFLO YET BFLO had another captain.

 

They abandoned their team and players in my book. A captain ALWAYS goes down with his ship! No matter how bad the orderd from headquarters is.

 

In the end BFLO needs to look elsewhere.

They made a decision , one that was probably really tough.. however the Sabres should have never let them make it to the point where there was a decision to make..Tell me that a if a competitor in your field of employment offered you 20% more salary and the same benefits you arent walking? I am....

[deluca67]

You just showed how ridiculous and irrational your attacks on him.

 

Goal 1 - he is finishing his check as a harmless looking play heads up ice. If he turns away from the guy, you would have ripped him for that.

Goal 2 - honestly don't remember

Goal 3 - You have got to be kidding. The only way anybody on Philly other then Braydon Coburn is responsible for this play is if the rest of the guys were supposed to be carrying weapons to take down Ovechkin. Not to meantion that if Briere was breaking for the offensive zone while the puck was still in his defensive zone, ala Ovechkin, you would have villified him for that.

 

It is too bad you can't see yourself clear to ever see two sides of an argument. It makes the rest of your arguments, sometimes very valid, moot.

You really need to pay attention. I didn't fault B-Rod for the third goal. He was off to the side and OV stole the puck and was off.

 

Goal one - he didn't get back in time.

 

Goal two - Here watch Briere get bounced off the puck twice. Once in the corner and once towards the point directly leading to the goal. B-Rod

[tom webster]

You really need to pay attention. I didn't fault B-Rod for the third goal. He was off to the side and OV stole the puck and was off.

 

 

Goal one - he didn't get back in time.

 

Goal two - Here watch Briere get bounced off the puck twice. Once in the corner and once towards the point directly leading to the goal. B-Rod

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Now your defense is semantics?

Goal three he is getting into position during offensive pressure. If Coburn makes a better play, maybe they get an offensive chance. This goal more then any shows the fallacy of +/-. The other four players on the ice had no bearing on the goal and there is nothing they could do.

 

Goal one, the league's fastest player couldn't have gotten back and if Philly manages to turn the play around they potential offensive rush because Washington over committed.

 

Goal two, first that wasn't him in the corner unless he decided to be a left handed shot for that play. It was him near the point and Semin made a great play. I will give you this one, but it is a play that happens frequently, elite player or not. That being said, he deserves a - for this play.

[X. Benedict]

You really need to pay attention. I didn't fault B-Rod for the third goal. He was off to the side and OV stole the puck and was off.

 

Goal one - he didn't get back in time.

 

Goal two - Here watch Briere get bounced off the puck twice. Once in the corner and once towards the point directly leading to the goal. B-Rod

 

We are going to continue to evaluate Briere on his backchecking?

 

Because that's why Don Luce lured him to Philly?

 

Such a narrow and indefatigable stance you are taking.

Alright. He's a bad backchecker.

 

Everyone cry Uncle and say "Danny is a bad Backchecker" three times.

(that wicked little nifty net-charging-goal-scoring little SOB)

[deluca67]

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Now your defense is semantics?

Goal three he is getting into position during offensive pressure. If Coburn makes a better play, maybe they get an offensive chance. This goal more then any shows the fallacy of +/-. The other four players on the ice had no bearing on the goal and there is nothing they could do.

 

Goal one, the league's fastest player couldn't have gotten back and if Philly manages to turn the play around they potential offensive rush because Washington over committed.

 

Goal two, first that wasn't him in the corner unless he decided to be a left handed shot for that play. It was him near the point and Semin made a great play. I will give you this one, but it is a play that happens frequently, elite player or not. That being said, he deserves a - for this play.

You're right, that appears to be Scot Hartnell. It looked like an eight on the jersey. Hartnell did not have a good game either. He got run over in the offensive end that started the break for the Caps.

[deluca67]

We are going to continue to evaluate Briere on his backchecking?

 

Because that's why Don Luce lured him to Philly?

 

Such a narrow and indefatigable stance you are taking.

Alright. He's a bad backchecker.

 

Everyone cry Uncle and say "Danny is a bad Backchecker" three times.

(that wicked little nifty net-charging-goal-scoring little SOB)

If you have been paying attention I have many reasons why I don't like Briere as a player. His lack of defensive responsibility is just one of them. It just so happens that this one reason is a topic at this point.

[carpandean]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RP0kTez2nmI&feature=related

[tom webster]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RP0kTez2nmI&feature=related

 

 

Nice.

[Guest Sloth]

Nice.

 

It bothers me that people are still doing this Briere/Drury crap. Perfect link! Hopefully it'll get people to quit talking about the past and start talking about the present and near by future.

[deluca67]

It bothers me that people are still doing this Briere/Drury crap. Perfect link! Hopefully it'll get people to quit talking about the past and start talking about the present and near by future.

Not likely. People love to complain. When Max is traded you are going to have threads on how the Sabres let another "star" go. If Connolly returns there will be complaints about that (I'll start that thread).

[Bmwolf21]

Not likely. People love to complain. When Max is traded you are going to have threads on how the Sabres let another "star" go. If Connolly returns there will be complaints about that (I'll start that thread).

When Max finally leaves the team the mods are going to have their hands full in locking/deleting/combining all the celebratory threads. I know I'll be starting one... :thumbsup:

[stenbaro]

When Max finally leaves the team the mods are going to have their hands full in locking/deleting/combining all the celebratory threads. I know I'll be starting one... :thumbsup:

Almost as many as for this guys

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

I hate him for simple reasons... Sorry Mill if he is "a nice person"... Doesn't count.

 

Danny boned the team I love... Leaders don't do that, no matter how much they think they are getting boned by management.

 

We are talking people making millions... He never loved the Sabres or the fans, never wanted a Cup here... If he did, he wouldn't have left. Like we all would have been talking if he didn't receive his demands... :lol: :lol: He would have been a "stand up" guy in everybody's book... Who doesn't love a millionare that takes it on the chin and can't save face? He is a weasel... Again, sorry Mill. The world's a greety place.

 

Plain and simple...

 

I am jilted as much as anyone else... Screw him, except I hope he screws MTL first!

 

:nana:

[tom webster]

I hate him for simple reasons... Sorry Mill if he is "a nice person"... Doesn't count.

 

Danny boned the team I love... Leaders don't do that, no matter how much they think they are getting boned by management.

 

We are talking people making millions... He never loved the Sabres or the fans, never wanted a Cup here... If he did, he wouldn't have left. Like we all would have been talking if he didn't receive his demands... :lol: :lol: He would have been a "stand up" guy in everybody's book... Who doesn't love a millionare that takes it on the chin and can't save face? He is a weasel... Again, sorry Mill. The world's a greety place.

 

Plain and simple...

 

I am jilted as much as anyone else... Screw him, except I hope he screws MTL first!

 

:nana:

 

Alright I give, forgive me for expecting rational, intelligent conversation! Danny Briere screwed us. If only he would have went to management and begged for an offer and then offered to give all of his money to Chris and Brian and then promised to grow five inches and become a defensive force, a face off terror and a George Larauque type fighter.

Then in the off-season he could have developed the waterfront, built the peace bridge, taken down the tolls, and bought the Buffalo Bills.

[Bmwolf21]

Almost as many as for this guys

 

Please. There were hardly any celebratory threads about Soupy's departure. There were "glad we got something in return/didn't overpay for him" threads, but very little celebrating him heading to SJ - unless Labatt started one I missed. :thumbsup:

 

When Max leaves there will be a party-like atmosphere, complete with ticker-tape parade.

 

Me when Max is gone:

[ExiledInIllinois]

Alright I give, forgive me for expecting rational, intelligent conversation! Danny Briere screwed us. If only he would have went to management and begged for an offer and then offered to give all of his money to Chris and Brian and then promised to grow five inches and become a defensive force, a face off terror and a George Larauque type fighter.

Then in the off-season he could have developed the waterfront, built the peace bridge, taken down the tolls, and bought the Buffalo Bills.

 

:worthy: :worthy:

 

To sum it up... Men with C's on their chest don't do what those two did... I'd felt better if they'd decline wearing the thing in the first place, they didn't though. Men of honor don't do that.

 

:(

[stenbaro]

Please. There were hardly any celebratory threads about Soupy's departure. There were "glad we got something in return/didn't overpay for him" threads, but very little celebrating him heading to SJ - unless Labatt started one I missed. :thumbsup:

 

When Max leaves there will be a party-like atmosphere, complete with ticker-tape parade.

 

Me when Max is gone:

I just cant resist the obligatory campbell bump

[X. Benedict]

:worthy: :worthy:

 

To sum it up... Men with C's on their chest don't do what those two did... I'd felt better if they'd decline wearing the thing in the first place, they didn't though. Men of honor don't do that.

 

:(

 

Since when does a "C" imply an automatic contract. Or a long lasting mutuality on behalf of each club.

It never has.

 

Men of honor?

 

Holy smokes.

 

Remember #18 in 1981. I think he had a letter stitched to his breast.

 

Aside: this thread has been like a long root canal.

must.....not......click.....on .....again......