Danny Briere 2 goals last night

[millbank]

Pleased to see you giving him some credit. The rest is ifs, ands , buts and maybes. It is also my opinion had Danny been a Sabre the Sabres would have been playing still this year. He would have been worth ten points in the standings Was 5.5 million worth the Sabres still playing? Would having him as captain for two or three years, until one of the young guys ready, Roy ect. ? My opinion is it would have.

Yes he was part of a team and one of a number of new players , added to a young group with a added years experience, but Danny at seasons end came up with a number game changing goals and plays, has continued this on to playoffs and continued to take the media heat during the season and into playoffs, leaving the younger guys to focus , I submit to you Flyers and their fans , he was worth every penny this season.

 

Many relished in reports of flyer fans booing him and his difficulties during season as evidence of the brilliance of the Sabres not resigning him. For the time being at least Flyer fans are cheering and some Sabre fans look for any negative to be found.

To bad, Danny was a very good Sabre player , a personable one on and off the ice with media, fans, fellow players alike, who represented the team and community in a way that should have made folks feel good, he gave his all. Shame so few cannot except and enjoy some momentary success he has enjoyed.

Sorry don't get the angst for so many , it should not be so tough in light of his contributions to the Sabres over his time on team, that a recognition of him playing well cannot be something to feel good about as he is a person worthy of it .

( I hold my nose regarding Bobby Clarke and others of Flyers, I root for the people in this case. Richards was a Kitchener Ranger Captain, who billeted in the community of Kitchener as player, grew up and went to school as player and became a Captain of a Memorial Cup team, he did not become a bad person because he got drafted by the Flyers, as Danny did not either.

As a side note, I wonder with all the comments about Marty, did many consider this was his first playoff series , two overtime wins and a shutout, plus the series win. Amidst this his wife gave birth to his first child in cesarean section. Marty had more on the table than hockey and stands today looking very good. National hockey media acknowledging a excellent game last evening.

 

( I say the above with respect, if it comes across otherwise I am sorry :) )

 

 

 

I do give Briere a lot of credit, especially his 6 goals in the first round, but I also acknowledge that he was only one part of a wholesale change of the team. As a whole the moves have worked well, but that was the combination of a lot of big moves and they still weren't even competing for their own division title, much less the conference or the President's trophy. I am simply suggesting that the same money they put toward him could have been used in other ways to do at least as well. It's never been a question of whether he is a good player -- he has excellent offensive skills and brings leadership -- it was always a question of whether he was worth that much money. You might convince me that he was worth the 5 x 5 contract, but I still think the Flyers paid too much.

[nfreeman]

for goodness sake, give Danny his due. Can it really be that hard. Don't rag on this guy for credibility, admit Briere was a most important part of Flyer success this year and clearly the leader in it in this first round. The Flyers last season were a bottom team, the Flyers this season with the additions of a number of players including Biron and Briere , made playoffs, won a first round series , have revitalized hockey in Philadelphia , I submit to you the money well spent.

Now that the Flyers are facing the very young and fast Montreal Canadians who Flyers did not beat all year long , because Montreal is a better team, I have no doubt in my mind many of you will be pointing to this as absolute evidence of how Briere did not come up big when it counts in the event that Montreal beat them out.

( I see Montreal beating them in 5 games. )

 

 

Pleased to see you giving him some credit. The rest is ifs, ands , buts and maybes. It is also my opinion had Danny been a Sabre the Sabres would have been playing still this year. He would have been worth ten points in the standings Was 5.5 million worth the Sabres still playing? Would having him as captain for two or three years, until one of the young guys ready, Roy ect. ? My opinion is it would have.

Yes he was part of a team and one of a number of new players , added to a young group with a added years experience, but Danny at seasons end came up with a number game changing goals and plays, has continued this on to playoffs and continued to take the media heat during the season and into playoffs, leaving the younger guys to focus , I submit to you Flyers and their fans , he was worth every penny this season.

 

Many relished in reports of flyer fans booing him and his difficulties during season as evidence of the brilliance of the Sabres not resigning him. For the time being at least Flyer fans are cheering and some Sabre fans look for any negative to be found.

To bad, Danny was a very good Sabre player , a personable one on and off the ice with media, fans, fellow players alike, who represented the team and community in a way that should have made folks feel good, he gave his all. Shame so few cannot except and enjoy some momentary success he has enjoyed.

Sorry don't get the angst for so many , it should not be so tough in light of his contributions to the Sabres over his time on team, that a recognition of him playing well cannot be something to feel good about as he is a person worthy of it .

( I hold my nose regarding Bobby Clarke and others of Flyers, I root for the people in this case. Richards was a Kitchener Ranger Captain, who billeted in the community of Kitchener as player, grew up and went to school as player and became a Captain of a Memorial Cup team, he did not become a bad person because he got drafted by the Flyers, as Danny did not either.

As a side note, I wonder with all the comments about Marty, did many consider this was his first playoff series , two overtime wins and a shutout, plus the series win. Amidst this his wife gave birth to his first child in cesarean section. Marty had more on the table than hockey and stands today looking very good. National hockey media acknowledging a excellent game last evening.

 

( I say the above with respect, if it comes across otherwise I am sorry :) )

 

2 excellent posts. Not bad for a Leafs fan (and btw you must be feeling pretty good about the Burke-to-TO reports).

[X. Benedict]

And what everyone will ignore is that Montreal apparently offered Danny more money to sign.

 

If only the Minister du revenue du Quebec could too ;) .

 

actually I have no idea if that played into his decision or the tax ramifications ....

[ExiledInIllinois]

I can see the Flyers beating the Habs... Still doesn't mean I like the weasely little phuck... Sure I liked him with the Sabres, you'd be a fool not to... Still doesn't make up for how he took the org to arbitration and acted when he was here (sitting his pouty little arse out with the "flu" in a hotel room when Marty was shuffled off)... These players want the world thrown at them, at times you just can't do that.

 

Lets start building this team up with men of character... Even if they have to take a "hit" by the organization they play for OR should LOVE to play for.

 

Sure they all have talent and can take teams far... Behind the scenes should be a genuine love for the "team." Not just lip service.

[tom webster]

I can see the Flyers beating the Habs... Still doesn't mean I like the weasely little phuck... Sure I liked him with the Sabres, you'd be a fool not to... Still doesn't make up for how he took the org to arbitration and acted when he was here (sitting his pouty little arse out with the "flu" in a hotel room when Marty was shuffled off)... These players want the world thrown at them, at times you just can't do that.

 

Lets start building this team up with men of character... Even if they have to take a "hit" by the organization they play for OR should LOVE to play for.

 

Sure they all have talent and can take teams far... Behind the scenes should be a genuine love for the "team." Not just lip service.

 

Twelve guys took them to arbitration. Derek Roy took them to arbitration. The only difference is that the others were offered a decent deal to sign before their cases were heard. They all used arbitration to force the team to negotiate with them.

As for the other statement, I can tell you for fact that Danny wasn't pouting when Marty got dealt. The whole team was thrilled for Marty and glad that he went to a franchise with the reputation of the Flyers.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Twelve guys took them to arbitration. Derek Roy took them to arbitration. The only difference is that the others were offered a decent deal to sign before their cases were heard. They all used arbitration to force the team to negotiate with them.

As for the other statement, I can tell you for fact that Danny wasn't pouting when Marty got dealt. The whole team was thrilled for Marty and glad that he went to a franchise with the reputation of the Flyers.

 

I know, I know. I think Danny was pouting... He should have got out and played even with the "flu"... That is what I would have done even if I felt management was wrong (which at the time I felt they ripped the heart and soul out by dealing Marty).

 

They seem like they are loving it in Philly, a team with such a "rep." What gives?

[tom webster]

I know, I know. I think Danny was pouting... He should have got out and played even with the "flu"... That is what I would have done even if I felt management was wrong (which at the time I felt they ripped the heart and soul out by dealing Marty).

 

They seem like they are loving it in Philly, a team with such a "rep." What gives?

 

If I remember correctly, Buffalo won that game 6-1 with about 6 regulars out. Not exactly the performance of a team that thinks they just had their hearts ripped out.

[ExiledInIllinois]

If I remember correctly, Buffalo won that game 6-1 with about 6 regulars out. Not exactly the performance of a team that thinks they just had their hearts ripped out.

 

Doesn't matter... To me it was a sign that trouble was in the lockeroom... And that is not revisionist history, it was my gut feeling last year while it was happening.

 

Last year's success early on, IMO, masked dissention... How could it not have?

[tom webster]

Doesn't matter... To me it was a sign that trouble was in the lockeroom... And that is not revisionist history, it was my gut feeling last year while it was happening.

 

Last year's success early on, IMO, masked dissention... How could it not have?

 

 

I'm interested in this line of thinking and I wasn't on board last year, but I believe your thoughts have been consistent. Why do you feel there was dissension and what do you base this on?

[stenbaro]

Nope on both accounts.

Definitely not. Carpandean is three syllables: car-pan-dean (last one is pronounced like the name.)

Strike three ... funny, though.

Only a select few know the truth. I'm talking guys that will be ushers in my wedding. They ain't talking!

Those names are the best..The ones with meaning..

[ExiledInIllinois]

I'm interested in this line of thinking and I wasn't on board last year, but I believe your thoughts have been consistent. Why do you feel there was dissension and what do you base this on?

 

I think it is Ruff's coaching style... I have always felt that... Now mix in a very exhausting system (always thought that too).

 

I don't express this too much, he is a "players coach" yet, IMO think he can be way overbearing. When times are good, they all ride with it... Times get bad, I think his style can get taxing.

 

Now... This doesn't mean they should dump him. Thinking back it sounds VERY revisionist... You just have to believe that those vibes have always been there with me.

 

Me personally if I played for him? I would probably attempt to strangle him, then when it all ironed out, probably sit down and have dinner with him.

 

Great if the Drury/Briere thing would have panned out for a Cup... It didn't, lets get parts that fit better (again please believe me that this has been my consistent approach).

[tom webster]

Nope on both accounts.

Definitely not. Carpandean is three syllables: car-pan-dean (last one is pronounced like the name.)

Strike three ... funny, though.

Only a select few know the truth. I'm talking guys that will be ushers in my wedding. They ain't talking!

 

Car and Dean in the same moniker? I almost lost my head thinking of the possibilities.

[SabreNod]

Please tell me you guys are not still debating Briere and Management's decision/indecision re: him?

 

:doh:

 

How about this for a summary:

 

Briere was good.

Roy is arguably a better sign, and better value. One likely would have precluded the other.

Roy is most definitely a more complete player, regardless of opinion.

We wish Briere well.

Briere is a Flyer.

This fact may or may not induce some to wish the Flyers well.

I could never.

 

 

Does that just about cover it?

[tom webster]

Please tell me you guys are not still debating Briere and Management's decision/indecision re: him?

 

:doh:

 

How about this for a summary:

 

Briere was good.

Roy is arguably a better sign, and better value. One likely would have precluded the other.

Roy is most definitely a more complete player, regardless of opinion.

We wish Briere well.

Briere is a Flyer.

This fact may or may not induce some to wish the Flyers well.

I could never.

Does that just about cover it?

 

Why? If done right, Drury, Briere and Roy would have been the centers for the next three years at least.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Why? If done right, Drury, Briere and Roy would have been the centers for the next three years at least.

 

Again... What about my argument? Like running a motor on two of the wrong plugs... Running on only one now does less damage. I just wish they would have at least replaced one by now... And maybe they did with TC, too bad he blew apart.

 

SabreNod: I agree.

[SabreNod]

Why? If done right, Drury, Briere and Roy would have been the centers for the next three years at least.

 

 

Tom: Move on.

[nfreeman]

Tom: Move on.

 

I can't speak for Tom, but as long as there are posters out there taking gratuitous (and, IMHO, nonsensical) shots at Briere, while he leads the NHL in playoff scoring for the last 3 years at the same time that the team I really care about misses the playoffs due to management incompetence, I will respond.

[That Aud Smell]

Tom: Move on.

 

I can't speak for Tom, but as long as there are posters out there taking gratuitous (and, IMHO, nonsensical) shots at Briere, while he leads the NHL in playoff scoring for the last 3 years ... , I will respond.

If maintaining traffic at SS in the off-season means that we need to create a tent big enough for these folks, those folks and these folks as well -- then, damn it, that's what we must do.

[carpandean]

I can't speak for Tom, but as long as there are posters out there taking gratuitous (and, IMHO, nonsensical) shots at Briere, while he leads the NHL in playoff scoring for the last 3 years at the same time that the team I really care about misses the playoffs due to management incompetence, I will respond.

This is like those classic, long-time gang turf wars. Ask either side who started it and each will say that the other did. For example: I could point out that this is a Sabres' forum, Danny is not a Sabre, yet we get a thread about how great he is performing. We don't have threads about the three players that have more points per game in the playoffs so far. The only way this argument is going to stop is if Danny tanks for the rest of the playoffs and/or we win the cup next year.

 

You say that some take needless shots at Danny, but many of them probably feel that you are unjustified in elevating his status so high (i.e., his stats are misleading or don't reflect his down-side). Sometimes, these counter-points go too far, suggesting that he actually sucks. That truth, as usual, lies somewhere in between. Danny is a very good offensive forward. Danny has some defensive deficiencies. Most people here would admit he is worth more than $4 million per year, but that he isn't worth more than $8 million per year. Depending on where you place him between those two, will determine whether management made the right decision on him. Personally, I feel management made mistakes, but that their original plan of keeping Drury and letting Danny go, with leadership coming from Chris and Teppo, was a good one. In my mind, the mistakes were made in negotiating with Chris and in their response after losing him. The loss of Teppo was bad luck that just made the situation worse. Some may disagree. So be it.

 

The problem with such a long off-season is that we all too much time to talk about the same things over and over and over and ... and over, again.

[SabreNod]

Great post!

 

I wish the Caps had won that OT game the other night, if only because it might have freed this board to talk about new, more interesting, less beaten-to-death ideas.

 

This is like those classic, long-time gang turf wars. Ask either side who started it and each will say that the other did. For example: I could point out that this is a Sabres' forum, Danny is not a Sabre, yet we get a thread about how great he is performing. We don't have threads about the three players that have more points per game in the playoffs so far. The only way this argument is going to stop is if Danny tanks for the rest of the playoffs and/or we win the cup next year.

 

You say that some take needless shots at Danny, but many of them probably feel that you are unjustified in elevating his status so high (i.e., his stats are misleading or don't reflect his down-side). Sometimes, these counter-points go too far, suggesting that he actually sucks. That truth, as usual, lies somewhere in between. Danny is a very good offensive forward. Danny has some defensive deficiencies. Most people here would admit he is worth more than $4 million per year, but that he isn't worth more than $8 million per year. Depending on where you place him between those two, will determine whether management made the right decision on him. Personally, I feel management made mistakes, but that their original plan of keeping Drury and letting Danny go, with leadership coming from Chris and Teppo, was a good one. In my mind, the mistakes were made in negotiating with Chris and in their response after losing him. The loss of Teppo was bad luck that just made the situation worse. Some may disagree. So be it.

 

The problem with such a long off-season is that we all too much time to talk about the same things over and over and over and ... and over, again.

[carpandean]

I wish the Caps had won that OT game the other night, if only because it might have freed this board to talk about new, more interesting, less beaten-to-death ideas.

Amen!!

[Bmwolf21]

It's the offseason for us, while the playoffs are going on and our former captains are doing well. It's like ripping the scab off and rubbing salt into the wound all over again.

 

Besides, what else is there for us to talk about right now?

[nfreeman]

The problem with such a long off-season is that we all too much time to talk about the same things over and over and over and ... and over, again.

 

Indeed.

 

However, I'm pretty confident this thread will keep going strong as long as the Flyers are in the playoffs. And if Drury and/or Soupy come up big in their series? Get ready for more more more.

[X. Benedict]

Please tell me you guys are not still debating Briere and Management's decision/indecision re: him?

 

:doh:

 

How about this for a summary:

 

Briere was good.

Roy is arguably a better sign, and better value. One likely would have precluded the other.

Roy is most definitely a more complete player, regardless of opinion.

We wish Briere well.

Briere is a Flyer.

This fact may or may not induce some to wish the Flyers well.

I could never.

Does that just about cover it?

Not to beat a dead cephalopod. But I can't agree with the bold.

Roy still had a year to become a UFA.

[Mike Oxhurtz]

Hey, how about the NFL draft this weekend? Do you think we'll get a WR in the 1st round?