Guest Sloth Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 I'm worried w/ Miller's numbers this season management will decide to wait and see what he does in the 08/09 season. If Miller isn't signed during the summer, I seriously doubt he'll be in a Sabres uniform during the 09/10 season. What do you guys think? :unsure:
shrader Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 I'm worried w/ Miller's numbers this season management will decide to wait and see what he does in the 08/09 season. If Miller isn't signed during the summer, I seriously doubt he'll be in a Sabres uniform during the 09/10 season. What do you guys think? :unsure: They've learned their lesson. They know that they have to deal with the important players ahead of time. Roy, Hecht, and Campbell all prove that. Ryan Miller will not hit the open market as a Buffalo Sabre.
spndnchz Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 I'm worried w/ Miller's numbers this season management will decide to wait and see what he does in the 08/09 season. If Miller isn't signed during the summer, I seriously doubt he'll be in a Sabres uniform during the 09/10 season. What do you guys think? :unsure: If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got. Now get'r done Quinny! (and spring for that eye surgery too :lol: )
sabregoats Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got. Now get'r done Quinny! (and spring for that eye surgery too :lol: ) I don't always agree with DD, but I really don't understand all of the criticism for his theory. He understands that he can never be proven right or wrong, but that their is a possibility that Miller has depth perception issues. Dwight makes a pretty compelling case and appears to have done his research. I don't understand why everyone else feels that it is such an outrageous theory that they need to point their fingers at how stupid it is at every chance they get. Miller clearly has difficulty with long shots, particularly from the left point during a quick break. I believe that teams around the league realize this as it seems many times (recently in particular) forwards are shooting before they would on a normal attack when they come in from the left point area. The goals that occur this way appear lucky and as if the shots are ill-advised. However, they end up in the back of the net far too often. I don't know if I believe that it would be possible for a starting goalie in the NHL to have such a problem with his vision, but I am willing to consider it a possibility. Especially because the symptoms of weak goals from far out, appear to fit the condition of poor depth perception. And at the very least I am willing to respect the amount of time a fellow poster put into his research to present his ideas to the board. There is no reason to ridicule him in every post about Miller.
nfreeman Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 They've learned their lesson. They know that they have to deal with the important players ahead of time. Roy, Hecht, and Campbell all prove that. Ryan Miller will not hit the open market as a Buffalo Sabre. I think you are probably right but I need to see them step up and sign him this summer to have my faith restored. If he is not re-signed in the summer and this hangs over next season until the trade deadline we will certainly miss the playoffs again and most likely head into a nuclear winter for several years.
stenbaro Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 They've learned their lesson. They know that they have to deal with the important players ahead of time. Roy, Hecht, and Campbell all prove that. Ryan Miller will not hit the open market as a Buffalo Sabre. The only one of those players they werent forced to make a decision on was Hecht..The others were RFA..They need to prove it to me still...
Guest Sloth Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 I think you are probably right but I need to see them step up and sign him this summer to have my faith restored. If he is not re-signed in the summer and this hangs over next season until the trade deadline we will certainly miss the playoffs again and most likely head into a nuclear winter for several years. It seems as if all of us agree upon this. If the Sabres can resign Miller/Pominville, it'll keep Buffalo a legitimate team. The Sabres do have the 3rd most amount of goals this season. If Darcy and company can bring in a couple decent defensemen, the Sabres will be good. It all starts w/ Miller and Pominville though. Build around the key players. Miller basically said it himself last week. A veteran center would be nice too...
frisky Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 I'm on the skeptical side still. Prove it cause I won't believe 'til I see it. They have a bad record with high visibility UFA's. But, we'll see if TG isn't just full of BS. As he said in that TSN interview, "proof is in the pudding." I'm going to batten down for nuclear winter with these guys in charge.
Campy Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 I'm worried w/ Miller's numbers this season management will decide to wait and see what he does in the 08/09 season. If Miller isn't signed during the summer, I seriously doubt he'll be in a Sabres uniform during the 09/10 season. What do you guys think? :unsure: 1 decent season, 1 very good season, and 1 very mediocre season, and a bunch of posters want to throw a bunch of money at him? I hope they wait until next season (ie, during the season) to see what kind of goalie he'll be and what kind of money he'll deserve. As you guys know, goalies are funny and it wouldn't be the first time a much-hyped goalie fizzles out after a couple of decent years, after all. Unless he rebounds very strongly next season, he's just another guy who had a couple of solid years - and he certainly wouldn't have earned a superstar-sized contract.
Bmwolf21 Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 2 words... Jhonas Enroth 2 words... not ready.
Bmwolf21 Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 no one ever get my sarcasm <_< Sorry, been one of those days, plus there have been more than a few serious recommendations (not just on this board) that the Sabres tell Miller "thanks but no thanks" this offseason because we have Enroth coming up.
buffalonian Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 I personaly think that it is going to be miller who will be saying "thanks but no thanks". If I was miller I would be pissed at the sabres management. They pretty much left miller out to dry this year. They failed to give him a reliable back up that would be able to give miller a rest and they left him to defend against goals with an unreliable defensive core. I have a feeling that if the sabres don't get a reasonable upgrade to their defense in the offseason Millers going to be in a wtf state of mind
SabresOnTheWarpath Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 1 decent season, 1 very good season, and 1 very mediocre season, and a bunch of posters want to throw a bunch of money at him? I hope they wait until next season (ie, during the season) to see what kind of goalie he'll be and what kind of money he'll deserve. As you guys know, goalies are funny and it wouldn't be the first time a much-hyped goalie fizzles out after a couple of decent years, after all. Unless he rebounds very strongly next season, he's just another guy who had a couple of solid years - and he certainly wouldn't have earned a superstar-sized contract. I agree. What is everyone's obsession here with Miller? Why throw money around at a guy like Miller when goalies like Huet, Bryzgallov, Toskola (who are all arguably at least as good if not better than Miller) were all available either last off season or this year. Miller isn't an elite goalie yet, and until he proves he is, why risk throwing all that money at him?
LabattBlue Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 who says miller wants to resign...? RE-SIGN...the word you are looking for is re-sign not resign. <_<
inkman Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 RE-SIGN...the word you are looking for is re-sign not resign. <_< He is contemplating resigning as his eye displacement gives him migraines. B-)
Bmwolf21 Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 Everyone knows I am a Miller fan. That being said, I have no problem with the idea of upgrading the position if possible. You always have to look to get better, but you also don't want to create a hole in your roster because you think someone "isn't good enough," especially when the team is dealing from a position of weakness (i.e. no established backup and no prospects ready to make the jump, and that includes Enroth.) For those saying "why throw all that money at him, there are better options out there" show me who you are going to choose that is a) as good as or better than Ryan and b) is going to be equal to or cheaper than the money Miller is going to get (probably Lundqvist money, which I don't think he's quite earned yet but that is the going rate, especially with his resume.) Again, saying "Enroth" isn't a legitimate answer, because the Sabres would be insane to turn the goaltending duties over to a 20/21-year-old with little to no North American pro hockey experience. Here's the list of potential FA goalies this offseason. It looks like Huet and Theodore (and I seriously doubt either of them makes it away from Washington/Colorado) are really it as far as UFA's go; notable RFA's include Marc-Andre Fleury, Kari Lehtonen and Pascal Leclaire. I think Leclaire and Fleury will get re-signed, which leaves Lehtonen and a bunch of other goaltending 'tweeners - not quite good enough to be a no.1, a little to good to be a 15-20 game backup.
spndnchz Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 who says miller wants to resign...? I personaly think that it is going to be miller who will be saying "thanks but no thanks". If I was miller I would be pissed at the sabres management. They pretty much left miller out to dry this year. They failed to give him a reliable back up that would be able to give miller a rest and they left him to defend against goals with an unreliable defensive core. I have a feeling that if the sabres don't get a reasonable upgrade to their defense in the offseason Millers going to be in a wtf state of mind Ryan? Is that you? We're just joking about the eye. :unsure:
Guest Sloth Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 "For those saying "why throw all that money at him, there are better options out there" show me who you are going to choose that is a) as good as or better than Ryan and b) is going to be equal to or cheaper than the money Miller is going to get (probably Lundqvist money, which I don't think he's quite earned yet but that is the going rate, especially with his resume.) Again, saying "Enroth" isn't a legitimate answer, because the Sabres would be insane to turn the goaltending duties over to a 20/21-year-old with little to no North American pro hockey experience. Here's the list of potential FA goalies this offseason. It looks like Huet and Theodore (and I seriously doubt either of them makes it away from Washington/Colorado) are really it as far as UFA's go; notable RFA's include Marc-Andre Fleury, Kari Lehtonen and Pascal Leclaire. I think Leclaire and Fleury will get re-signed, which leaves Lehtonen and a bunch of other goaltending 'tweeners - not quite good enough to be a no.1, a little to good to be a 15-20 game backup. " Well said BMWOLF! This why Miller has to be signed. It'd be nice if the Miller bashers could understand this.
Campy Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 Here's the list of potential FA goalies this offseason. It looks like Huet and Theodore (and I seriously doubt either of them makes it away from Washington/Colorado) are really it as far as UFA's go; notable RFA's include Marc-Andre Fleury, Kari Lehtonen and Pascal Leclaire. I think Leclaire and Fleury will get re-signed, which leaves Lehtonen and a bunch of other goaltending 'tweeners - not quite good enough to be a no.1, a little to good to be a 15-20 game backup. I'd be more interested, say, at the all-star break, in comparing next season's numbers than wasting too much time commenting on guys that will be under contract at the end of next season.
Bmwolf21 Posted April 3, 2008 Report Posted April 3, 2008 I'd be more interested, say, at the all-star break, in comparing next season's numbers than wasting too much time commenting on guys that will be under contract at the end of next season. I'm not sure I follow what you're saying, Campy. I'm just pointing out that people are saying "there's better options out there than throwing a ton of money at Miller," so I'm wondering who these better options are and who these fans would take instead of Ryan.
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