LabattBlue Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 He is no better than a #5 or #6 defenseman. Please don't let the Umberger hit or the fact that he was voted(by the fans) into the all-star game fool you. His lackadasaical play will never make him any better than a 3rd pairing blueliner. Tonight was the perfect example on the 1st & 3rd Leaf goals. While killling a penalty on the first one(Why is he killing penalties to begin with??), he was way out of position which led to an easy 2 on 1 conversion in front of the net. On the 3rd goal, he was standing by the side of the net doing nothing in particular while the Leafs scored. Combine that with his poorly timed pinches which are a regular occurrence and I wonder if this guy just doesn't have what it takes mentally to become a top 4 defenseman. Kalinin, Spacek & Teppo get bashed here a lot, but "Soupy" gets a free pass. I don't get it. OVERRATED!!!
thesportsbuff Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 i'd take campbell over spacek, lydman, and kalinin anyday.
Claude Balls Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I don't know if I would call him as much overrated as he is inconsistent. This guy never seems to string too many good or bad games together. He can look like Nicklas Lidstrom one night and then Mike Wilson the next night. The only thing he is consistent at is the ol' "spinorama" and one of these days he's going to spin himself right into the hospital when someone lines him up.
apuszczalowski Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Campbell the most over-rated? I think after tonight, and most of last nights game, i would say anybody not in the goal crease is the most over-rated What we all witnessed the past 2 nights is not a team that has a chance at winning the cup
SabreNod Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 This has to be one of the most absurd posts I've read about any Sabre, ever. Methinks you don't know what you're looking at. Campbell and Tallinder are our best defensemen, and are the most important to the team in terms of long-term extensions. He is no better than a #5 or #6 defenseman. Please don't let the Umberger hit or the fact that he was voted(by the fans) into the all-star game fool you. His lackadasaical play will never make him any better than a 3rd pairing blueliner. Tonight was the perfect example on the 1st & 3rd Leaf goals. While killling a penalty on the first one(Why is he killing penalties to begin with??), he was way out of position which led to an easy 2 on 1 conversion in front of the net. On the 3rd goal, he was standing by the side of the net doing nothing in particular while the Leafs scored. Combine that with his poorly timed pinches which are a regular occurrence and I wonder if this guy just doesn't have what it takes mentally to become a top 4 defenseman. Kalinin, Spacek & Teppo get bashed here a lot, but "Soupy" gets a free pass. I don't get it. OVERRATED!!!
deluca67 Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I'm just glad Tallinder wasn't hurt I agree. When I saw him limp off the ice I stopped caring what happens over the final 7 games.
LabattBlue Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Posted March 25, 2007 This has to be one of the most absurd posts I've read about any Sabre, ever. Methinks you don't know what you're looking at. Campbell and Tallinder are our best defensemen, and are the most important to the team in terms of long-term extensions. Methinks you should take off the rose colored glasses and watch him a little closer. Just because he puts a big hit on Umberger people refer to him as our "physical" defenseman. Just because he is an all-star(even though he played like crap for 4-6 weeks prior to said game), he is one of our two best defensemen and needs to be locked up long term. I'm not saying that he doesn't have a place on the team, just that he is not a top 4 defenseman, Stop reading the press clippings and start watching him play. He is a poor mans Phil Housley and a pretty bad imitation at that. PS Lydman is the Sabres 2nd best defenseman, I don't know if I would call him as much overrated as he is inconsistent. This guy never seems to string too many good or bad games together. He can look like Nicklas Lidstrom one night and then Mike Wilson the next night. The only thing he is consistent at is the ol' "spinorama" and one of these days he's going to spin himself right into the hospital when someone lines him up. It's because of the inconsistencies that I am calling him overrated. ;)
bcsaberks Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Spot on Labatt Blue. Though I think he could crack the second pairing on most teams. If it's not Cambell it's Miller. Hopefully they both fix this over the next month or so.
deluca67 Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Methinks you should take off the rose colored glasses and watch him a little closer. Just because he puts a big hit on Umberger people refer to him as our "physical" defenseman. Just because he is an all-star(even though he played like crap for 4-6 weeks prior to said game), he is one of our two best defensemen and needs to be locked up long term. I'm not saying that he doesn't have a place on the team, just that he is not a top 4 defenseman, Stop reading the press clippings and start watching him play. He is a poor mans Phil Housley and a pretty bad imitation at that. PS Lydman is the Sabres 2nd best defenseman, It's because of the inconsistencies that I am calling him overrated. ;) I would say third. Tallinder, Kalinin then Lydman. Campbell could be a very good defenseman. At this point he still has a lot of maturing left to do. I was going to comment on who I think is the most overrated Sabre. I think everybody knows it by now. :D
SabresFan526 Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I don't know if he's overrated. Who is he overrated by? I mean he's not Bobby Orr, Phil Housley, Scott Neidermeyer, he's Brian Campbell. You basically just take him for what he's worth, which is an offensive defenseman that skates really well. He's inconsistent in his own end, which by the way many "great" defenseman have been for example Sandis Ozolinsh. I also don't have too much of a problem with his all-star appearance. Think about it, he had a very good year last year, and he's already eclipsed his point total from last year while being a +26. Last year he was a -14, so he's improved somewhat defensively, although I really don't put too much faith into the +/- stat anyway cause a lot of it is luck. But, if you look at it from the Eastern Conference, beside Sheldon Souray, why not Brian Campbell? Also, let's be realistic here, he was voted in. We had 3 Sabres voted in as starters. To a large extent, we put him in the All-Star game. I really think we did a lot of voting and multiple voting as well. Hell, Rory Fitzpatrick almost became a starter, and if that isn't due to Sabre fans, then I don't know what is. I don't think he's overrated, he is what he is, and he probably didn't deserve the all-star game, but hey, we put him there.
inkman Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 He's inconsistent in his own end, which by the way many "great" defenseman have been for example Sandis Ozolinsh. Those are two words I never thought I'd see in the same sentence, "great" and Ozolinsh. :lol:
SabresFan526 Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Those are two words I never thought I'd see in the same sentence, "great" and Ozolinsh. :lol: Yeah, that's why I put great in quotes. But, there was a time when Ozolinsh was considered one of the top 5 defenseman in the NHL, granted that was probably from 1994-1997. But, for those 3 years he was considered one of the best. I mean, he was traded for Owen Nolan straight up, and his first year with the Avs, they won the Cup. But, yeah, I think he is one of your classic overrated defenseman, Campbell's not really in my opinion.
Eleven Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Before last January, I cringed every time I saw Campbell on the ice. Then he seemed to "get it" all of the sudden. He seemed to come of age after the Umberger hit last April; he gained confidence through the playoffs. I'd say he's a solid defenseman (with some great offensive stats this year), but to consider him an All-Star, yeah, that's overrating him. He's no Tallinder.
LabattBlue Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Posted March 25, 2007 I was going to comment on who I think is the most overrated Sabre. I think everybody knows it by now. :D :lol: :lol:
Taro T Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Methinks you should take off the rose colored glasses and watch him a little closer. Just because he puts a big hit on Umberger people refer to him as our "physical" defenseman. Just because he is an all-star(even though he played like crap for 4-6 weeks prior to said game), he is one of our two best defensemen and needs to be locked up long term. I'm not saying that he doesn't have a place on the team, just that he is not a top 4 defenseman, Stop reading the press clippings and start watching him play. He is a poor mans Phil Housley and a pretty bad imitation at that. PS Lydman is the Sabres 2nd best defenseman, It's because of the inconsistencies that I am calling him overrated. ;) Don't forget, he laid a nice one on Conklin last night as well. :P
LabattBlue Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Posted March 25, 2007 Don't forget, he laid a nice one on Conklin last night as well. :P I thought for a moment the two of them were doing there best 3 stooges impersonation. :D
connee Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I agree. When I saw him limp off the ice I stopped caring what happens over the final 7 games. Right! These remaining games don't mean anything
LabattBlue Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Posted March 26, 2007 Right! These remaining games don't mean anything So you're okay if they lose all of the remaining games, and don't win the division, the #1 seed in the conference or the President's trophy? Pass the pipe!
darksabre Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 So you're okay if they lose all of the remaining games, and don't win the division, the #1 seed in the conference or the President's trophy? Pass the pipe! Since the start of the President's trophy in 1986 only 6 President's Cup teams have actually won the Stanley Cup (in 20 years since the lockout year doesn't count.) And if you go back to 1970, 36 Stanley Cups ago, 15 President's Trophy teams have won the Stanley Cup in the past 36 years. More than half of the teams that have won the Stanley Cup, didn't win the President's trophy that year. So quite honestly, us winning the President's Trophy kind of gives me a bad feeling. I'd rather we didn't win it. :unsure:
Taro T Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Since the start of the President's trophy in 1986 only 6 President's Cup teams have actually won the Stanley Cup (in 20 years since the lockout year doesn't count.) And if you go back to 1970, 36 Stanley Cups ago, 15 President's Trophy teams have won the Stanley Cup in the past 36 years. More than half of the teams that have won the Stanley Cup, didn't win the President's trophy that year. So quite honestly, us winning the President's Trophy kind of gives me a bad feeling. I'd rather we didn't win it. :unsure: I won't try to post the details, as BtP studied the finish of teams in every slot and a search of his posts will turn it up, but FAR more #1's have won the Stanley Cup than any other particular finish. Over 40% of the winners since '70 have been #1's. That says 2-7 - 2-16 combined have won less than 3 of every 5. (Even only considering the last 20, #1's won 30% and 2-16 combined have only won 70%.) Me, I'll take the extra silverware. ;)
X. Benedict Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 So you're okay if they lose all of the remaining games, and don't win the division, the #1 seed in the conference or the President's trophy? Pass the pipe! The smokin' one or the lead one?
SabreNod Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Methinks you should take off the rose colored glasses and watch him a little closer. Just because he puts a big hit on Umberger people refer to him as our "physical" defenseman. Just because he is an all-star(even though he played like crap for 4-6 weeks prior to said game), he is one of our two best defensemen and needs to be locked up long term. I'm not saying that he doesn't have a place on the team, just that he is not a top 4 defenseman, Stop reading the press clippings and start watching him play. He is a poor mans Phil Housley and a pretty bad imitation at that. PS Lydman is the Sabres 2nd best defenseman, It's because of the inconsistencies that I am calling him overrated. ;) Well gee, labatt, you must be a super smart hockey man then. Cuz last time I looked, every time we've been short a defenseman this season, campbell is the one Lindy chooses to take the most ice time. Lindy thinks Campbell is better than you think he is. I'll put my money on Lindy and my own eyes than your armchair analysis. If you're looking for an inconsistent defenseman to bark at, you'll find him in Kalinin.
LabattBlue Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Posted March 26, 2007 The smokin' one or the lead one? First the smokin' one. After I get done with that pipe, I'm going to come back and read this post again. If I still see that all the remaining games are meaningless, then hand me the lead pipe, so I can put myself out of my misery. :lol: :lol:
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