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You are right on the money with your officiating comments and the linesmen were just as bad as the refs.

It was a horribly called game, all around. The refs didn't start calling penalties untill after the goal that deflected off the ref right to the Leaf player.

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What's amazing is that for some reason, this team seems to do this kind of stuff a lot this year. This team has so much heart and is so resilient, it's phenomenal. I don't know who our resident stastician is here, PA maybe, but how many times have the Sabres won a game this year after being down heading into the third period? Somehow, this team has the ability to comeback and either win or get a point out of games that they have no business getting points out of. It's just amazing how much heart and how, when these guys turn it on, there is not a single team in this league that can compete with them. It's just freaking amazing.

 

Check out nhl.com's stats and you can find out this out easily. Not being a jerk... I just think you will find a treasure trove of info. if you look around that site. And others.

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Positives:

Miller - Idiots will look at the scoresheet and see that he let in 4 goals. While the scoresheet gives some indication of how poorly the Sabres played for large chunks of the game, it can't adequately translate the number of big saves and good scoring chances Toronto had in the 1st and 2nd. Miller was sharp throughout, and he kept the Sabres in the game longer than they deserved, which allowed them to push for the comeback...

 

I guess that makes you an idiot since I assume you looked at the scoresheet at some point? :)

 

I thought Ryan was good but not great. He faced a lot of shots from well out, and is it me or did he seem to kick all of them back into dangerous spots on the ice? I thought he had some rebound control issues, but then again what do I know? Maybe he was putting them in those spots on purpose.

 

I don't think the Leafs had a ton of GREAT chances, and on several of their best chances, they flubbed their shots. The puck was bouncing around for Stajan on his breakaway and Sundin at the end just didn't get it up. If he does, he scores. Ryan made a few "accidental" saves like that.

 

Miller took a bad stroll, lost his cool, which I never like to see from a goaltender, and again was beaten to his apparent weak spot, to the blocker side-middle of the net.

 

In the words of Randy on AI, it was aight, dawg. Didn't blow my skirt up. But he was good.

 

Does that make me an idiot? Probably.

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I guess that makes you an idiot since I assume you looked at the scoresheet at some point? :)

 

I thought Ryan was good but not great. He faced a lot of shots from well out, and is it me or did he seem to kick all of them back into dangerous spots on the ice? I thought he had some rebound control issues, but then again what do I know? Maybe he was putting them in those spots on purpose.

 

I don't think the Leafs had a ton of GREAT chances, and on several of their best chances, they flubbed their shots. The puck was bouncing around for Stajan on his breakaway and Sundin at the end just didn't get it up. If he does, he scores. Ryan made a few "accidental" saves like that.

 

Miller took a bad stroll, lost his cool, which I never like to see from a goaltender, and again was beaten to his apparent weak spot, to the blocker side-middle of the net.

 

In the words of Randy on AI, it was aight, dawg. Didn't blow my skirt up. But he was good.

Does that make me an idiot? Probably.

So what you are saying is that his performance was a little pitchy then? :D

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I guess that makes you an idiot since I assume you looked at the scoresheet at some point? :)

 

I thought Ryan was good but not great. He faced a lot of shots from well out, and is it me or did he seem to kick all of them back into dangerous spots on the ice? I thought he had some rebound control issues, but then again what do I know? Maybe he was putting them in those spots on purpose.

 

I don't think the Leafs had a ton of GREAT chances, and on several of their best chances, they flubbed their shots. The puck was bouncing around for Stajan on his breakaway and Sundin at the end just didn't get it up. If he does, he scores. Ryan made a few "accidental" saves like that.

 

Miller took a bad stroll, lost his cool, which I never like to see from a goaltender, and again was beaten to his apparent weak spot, to the blocker side-middle of the net.

 

In the words of Randy on AI, it was aight, dawg. Didn't blow my skirt up. But he was good.

 

Does that make me an idiot? Probably.

:oops: The word was supposed to be either "complain" or "bitch," not look. That post took me a good half-hour to finish, thanks to a fussy, crying baby. No excuse though - I've got to bring my A game on big posts like that.

 

As for Ryan's game - I am not going to get into it with you. I (and a lot of others) saw a very strong performance by a goaltender last night - a game that kept his team in it so they had a shot at coming back. The Leafs DID have a ton of great chances, and I couldn't care less that someone thinks he made "accidental saves" - the main point is that they didn't go in the net and he was the reason. Like goalscorers, they don't ask how, they ask how many. Ryan's performance last night gives me hope for how he'll play in the postseason...

 

And for the record, I can't believe that you just quoted Randy from Idol....sad... :thumbdown:

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I guess that makes you an idiot since I assume you looked at the scoresheet at some point? :)

 

I thought Ryan was good but not great. He faced a lot of shots from well out, and is it me or did he seem to kick all of them back into dangerous spots on the ice? I thought he had some rebound control issues, but then again what do I know? Maybe he was putting them in those spots on purpose.

 

I don't think the Leafs had a ton of GREAT chances, and on several of their best chances, they flubbed their shots. The puck was bouncing around for Stajan on his breakaway and Sundin at the end just didn't get it up. If he does, he scores. Ryan made a few "accidental" saves like that.

 

Miller took a bad stroll, lost his cool, which I never like to see from a goaltender, and again was beaten to his apparent weak spot, to the blocker side-middle of the net.

 

In the words of Randy on AI, it was aight, dawg. Didn't blow my skirt up. But he was good.

 

Does that make me an idiot? Probably.

 

Accidental saves usually aren't accidents, but the result of good positioning.

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Accidental saves usually aren't accidents, but the result of good positioning.

As soon as you posted this, I thought of this quote from our old friend:

Like most Quebec-born goaltenders, Lac St. Charles native Biron is a devotee of the butterfly style of goaltending. He says that as long as he stays in rhythm and covers the angles properly, playing the style is conducive to a high save percentage.

 

"You have to concede something upstairs, which happened the other night when (Phoenix Coyotes forward Owen) Nolan ripped a slap shot over my shoulder. On a play like that, you just tip your hat to the shooter. But that's the downside of going into the butterfly sometimes. The good part is that you take away the lower part of the net and if you are in synch, most of the shots will hit you in the chest or the pads," Biron said.

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I have a question. Now, don't jump on me. I'm not picking on Ryan. I love the guy and like the goaltender. He's very good and the right guy for this team. Despite what some might say, I am not a CRITIC of him or "anti-Miller."

 

Anyway... this is just something I remembered after reading Marty's comments about the butterfly. But has anyone else noticed that Miller goes down on his pads when the puck is being cycled behind the net, sometimes sliding from post to post, or even when his defenseman comes around one side of the net legging the puck out? Is it just a nervous habit or practiced positioning? I can't believe with a goaltender of this stature and a good goalie coach like Groucho Corsi that anything happens accidentally.

 

But what's the theory behind doing that?

 

I think it's important to ask because sometimes Ryan does go down too soon. Or that might be part and parcel of playing the butterfly style...

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I have a question. Now, don't jump on me. I'm not picking on Ryan. I love the guy and like the goaltender. He's very good and the right guy for this team. Despite what some might say, I am not a CRITIC of him or "anti-Miller."

 

Anyway... this is just something I remembered after reading Marty's comments about the butterfly. But has anyone else noticed that Miller goes down on his pads when the puck is being cycled behind the net, sometimes sliding from post to post, or even when his defenseman comes around one side of the net legging the puck out? Is it just a nervous habit or practiced positioning? I can't believe with a goaltender of this stature and a good goalie coach like Groucho Corsi that anything happens accidentally.

 

But what's the theory behind doing that?

 

I think it's important to ask because sometimes Ryan does go down too soon. Or that might be part and parcel of playing the butterfly style...

It's because the opposing player can scoop the puck around and get it in there quickly...but on the ice. Trying to go top-shelf requires a little extra effort/time that most players can't generate/get that up-close to the goalie.

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To answer your question, Mr. Anti-Miller (j/k) - I noticed the same thing, and I think it is either a nervous habit -maybe something he has done throughout his career - or maybe it's that he plays a sort of hybrid-butterfly style. I don't know. I seem remember Marty doing the same thing - going down "early" so maybe it is something that Corsi is teaching. Guess we'll have to see what habits Conks develops.

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I have a question. Now, don't jump on me. I'm not picking on Ryan. I love the guy and like the goaltender. He's very good and the right guy for this team. Despite what some might say, I am not a CRITIC of him or "anti-Miller."

 

Anyway... this is just something I remembered after reading Marty's comments about the butterfly. But has anyone else noticed that Miller goes down on his pads when the puck is being cycled behind the net, sometimes sliding from post to post, or even when his defenseman comes around one side of the net legging the puck out? Is it just a nervous habit or practiced positioning? I can't believe with a goaltender of this stature and a good goalie coach like Groucho Corsi that anything happens accidentally.

 

But what's the theory behind doing that?

 

I think it's important to ask because sometimes Ryan does go down too soon. Or that might be part and parcel of playing the butterfly style...

I wpuld think it is purely a defensive move against the wrap around. I think we have all been amazed at how fast it can happen with some players. You'd think it would take some time, but wham, its in.

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...and the Bills will be playing there soon enough. :nana:

 

Might be great!

 

My most important decision would be do I take the tunnel or the Ambassador Bridge at Windsor heading to see a game in TOR...

 

If BFLO can't support them as well as TOR would, I say more power to 'em! God forbid the screw the taxpayers over any more... And besides, ther would be no blackouts!

 

:D

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I was at the game last night and the rest of the team should be embarassed for leaving Miller out to dry most of the night. He was getting no support from the rest of the team, and I was glad he showed his emotions and threw his stick. The guys in front of him left him to face over 20 shots in the first, If it was me, my stick would have headed the other way towards the bench

 

(i know he was probably just pissed off about the goal going in after it hit the ref and out to a leafs player, but I would be pissed at my team for playing the way they did)

 

And yes, I have been told I probably have an anger problem

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I wpuld think it is purely a defensive move against the wrap around. I think we have all been amazed at how fast it can happen with some players. You'd think it would take some time, but wham, its in.

 

So right!

 

Who was the old Sabre that could pull that trigger on the wrap-around?

 

Was it Ric Seiling?

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So right!

 

Who was the old Sabre that could pull that trigger on the wrap-around?

 

Was it Ric Seiling?

 

 

I remember Hawrchuk beating the butterfly by putting it over the net, then skating around and knocking it in out of the air on the way down.

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