inkman Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 It certainly doesn't mean everything but I found it interesting that Paul would drop this info. He basically inferred on WGR that people in the Sabres organization did not appreciate Danny's handling of his contract negotaitions and that Drury was viewed more favorably. Once the audio is available in the audio vault from WGR I'll link it.
Fronz1103 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Yeah..i heard te segment when it first aired.. if there are people in the organization who don't appreciate Danny's way of doing business... that is what stood out most to me. If that is 100% truth I fully expect the Sabres to make Drury their man to keep around long term.. possibly five years... maybe 5 years 30 - 35 million?(roughly) If they arent goin Brieres way, then get Drury back and do whatever it takes!! Thats my two cents.
Goodfella25 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 I heard the whole thing as well...Hamilton also mentioned how he "knows" that Drury sometimes gets fed up with having different guys on his line all the time while Briere usually has the same guys. It was an interesting debate though as far as should we keep both and cut out some of the $2-3 million guys or keep one and let the other walk. I have to agree that Drury is the most likely to stay because if what he said about Briere is true, add that on top of his All-Star MVP performance, not to mention the fact that he has a little more razzle dazzle if you will, and he'll get the better offers. Although I think the contracts they were talking about on WGR were probably close to what each player could get...somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 yrs, $30 million. Anyone else feeling queezy?
Corp000085 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 overall leadership, faceoff ability, defensive zone presence, etc: drury>briere offensive playmaking/scoring ability: briere>drury briere=connolly you do the math... if the sabres choose to re sign briere over drury, people will complain and it will be over with... if the sabres choose to re sign drury over briere, people will complain and it will be over with. The sabres will be a better overall team with both of them, but if i had to choose one to stay over the other, i'd choose drury, sacrificing scoring ability for overall ice presence. Either way, people will complain and it will be over with.
bob_sauve28 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 overall leadership, faceoff ability, defensive zone presence, etc: drury>briere offensive playmaking/scoring ability: briere>drury briere=connolly you do the math... if the sabres choose to re sign briere over drury, people will complain and it will be over with... if the sabres choose to re sign drury over briere, people will complain and it will be over with. The sabres will be a better overall team with both of them, but if i had to choose one to stay over the other, i'd choose drury, sacrificing scoring ability for overall ice presence. Either way, people will complain and it will be over with. What if the Sabres say no one is worth 7 million each year for the next 5 years and just let them both go? You think we have the leadership in Miller, Hecht, Teppo, Tallinder and others and the skill in Vanek, Max, Stafford and others to still win?
X. Benedict Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 What if the Sabres say no one is worth 7 million each year for the next 5 years and just let them both go? You think we have the leadership in Miller, Hecht, Teppo, Tallinder and others and the skill in Vanek, Max, Stafford and others to still win? Yep. We'll still have Lindy too.
bob_sauve28 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 Yep. We'll still have Lindy too. Yes, good point. He is an excellent coach and can hold this thing together.
gregkash Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 there's no reason we can't get at leaast one.
blugold43 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 i guess i'm in the minority, but i'll post just this one last time that i prefer briere. the end.
Fronz1103 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 i guess i'm in the minority, but i'll post just this one last time that i prefer briere. the end. I guess I should make it clear that i have a preference to keep both but taking the stance that they wont resign both drury and briere then Drury would be the preference over Briere. I love briere's style of play n all but Drury is simply "the leader" he doesnt stir the pot too much with emotions but rather leads by letting his play speak as leadership.. That is the kind of player that IS NOT easily replaced even with the best coaching staff in the NHL. Remember this team before the Drury days... where was the leadership? non-exsistant... and the Sabres realize that and thats why they will (IMHO) most likely re-sign him first. Even with that said.. I'm looking forward to the end of this season and the play-offs, I can't wait!!! Off - season worries are for then so until the off-season I'm gonna try to forget about this predicament as best as possible!! LET'S GO SABRES!!!!
apuszczalowski Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 briere=connolly you do the math... Yeah, thats not exactly right Briere = proven scorer and playmaker, team leader, one of the top sellers in merchandise (something they will probably look at too) Connolly = unproven scorer and playmaker (so far only has 1 season where fans weren't calling for his head) and is somewhat injury prone (has missed about 2 full seasons due to head injuries and could be 1 hit away from ending his career), not a huge merchandise seller If I had a choice, Connolly would be sent packing and Briere would retire a Sabre. Now I don't want to see anyone go, and I think Connolly might be a great player, but I would rather have Briere and Drury a Sabre Personnally I think you resign bothe for around whats being thrown out (5 years/30 million) and deal away a couple guys like Hecht, Kotalik, Connolly) and replace them with Stafford, maybe even Ryan, and others from Rochester I also think and have said about 1000x that if they get to sniff free agency neither will be back
meck20 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 Before we debate who has handled contract negotiations better, let me just say that both guys exemplify class and leadership. I feel fortunate to have watched the both of them play the past few years. The bottom line is that if Timmy comes back healthy he will more are less offset some of the things Briere brings to the table. Drury's intangibles are unrivaled on the team and across the league he fits into the upper tier of clutch two-way players. I take Drury, but as was the case for Marty I could only wish Briere the best wherever he ended up. It's kinda of funny that next year I'll be rooting for the Flyers and whatever team Danny ends up on.
Allan in MD Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 It's all well and good to continue to hash this out, but does anyone know if either of these guys really wants to remain in Buffalo? As we all understand, nowadays, loyalty and even wanting to play on a winning team frequently does not do it. It's the money and city for many. We can only hope that whomever the Sabres decide to keep wants to remain in Buffalo. I'd love for both of them to stay, especially if Connolly cannot make it back.
Rock DJ Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 It's all well and good to continue to hash this out, but does anyone know if either of these guys really wants to remain in Buffalo? As we all understand, nowadays, loyalty and even wanting to play on a winning team frequently does not do it. It's the money and city for many. We can only hope that whomever the Sabres decide to keep wants to remain in Buffalo. It's not even the city anymore. It's the money. Just look at Smyth.
Guest Sloth Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 If the Sabres keep Drury, do you think there is a SMALL CHANCE they could sign Zubrus? Just a thought.
inkman Posted March 7, 2007 Author Report Posted March 7, 2007 If the Sabres keep Drury, do you think there is a SMALL CHANCE they could sign Zubrus? Just a thought. Yes...and he will come much cheaper while adding much needed size to this lineup. If I had a choice, Connolly would be sent packing and Briere would retire a Sabre. Exactly what would any team offer for Tim Connolly? A low draft pick?
wjag Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 I'm definitely in a find a way to keep them both camp. I like the idea of parting ways with TC. Someone has to go. Why would we opt to shelve the proven for the hopeful? Sure it would cost a bucket load, but I think what the last couple of weeks has shown me is that we have depth. My cut list: 1. TC 2. Spacek 3. Teppo My core Sabres list: 1. Drury 2. Briere 3. Miller 4. Vanek 5. Stafford 6. Max 7. Tallinder 8. Campbell On the fence (guys I like, would like to keep, but would let go if had to) 1. Pomminstein 2. Paetsch 3. Paille 4. Lydman 5. Roy 6. Zubrus 7. Ryan 8. Conklin 9. Kotalik 10. Gaustad
inkman Posted March 7, 2007 Author Report Posted March 7, 2007 I'm definitely in a find a way to keep them both camp. I believe every fan would appreciate this. I like the idea of parting ways with TC. Be prepared to give him away. NOBODY will give up much for an injury riddled, oft-concussed player. My cut list: 1. TC 2. Spacek 3. Teppo Technically we can't cut anyone. Let's just say we can trade Tim and Jaro. My core Sabres list: 1. Drury-Agreed 2. Briere-If the money is right 3. Miller-Agreed 4. Vanek-Agreed 5. Stafford-Agreed 6. Max-Maybe 7. Tallinder-Agreed 8. Campbell-Agreed On the fence (guys I like, would like to keep, but would let go if had to) 1. Pomminstein-Have to keep guys who are making low $$$ 2. Paetsch-see above 3. Paille-brings things to the table a lot of current players don't 4. Lydman-works well with Hank 5. Roy-due a raise next year, but his best days are ahead 6. Zubrus-much needed size 7. Ryan-he won't be in Buffalo next year 8. Conklin-he's a backup, dime-a-dozen 9. Kotalik-could be last hurrah with Buffalo 10. Gaustad-no way does he belong on this list Where's yo-yo?
fushetti Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 I love both Drury and Briere. However, I'd keep 23. Based on projections this year, Drury will have over 40 goals and Briere about 33. Drury plays penalty kill while Briere is mainly an offensive presence. How many goals does the other team NOT score with Drury on PK over the course of the season? 10? 15? Its a number that could be measured (if they took account of such things....i guess +/- is somewhat of a measurement but doesn't count on PK or PP) In my formula, Drury would net the Sabres 50-55 goals and Briere would still only net the Sabres 33. 12-15 goals over the course of the season could amount to more wins. Yes, you have a big hole to fill in terms of 33 goals, but with a healthy Connolly, a rookie Stafford and others can account for that. Turnover is a fact of life now in the NHL. We can't sign both of these guys.
connee Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 It was Drury that made a Sabres a bonafide Stanley Cup contender. No brainer IMHO
That Aud Smell Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 overall leadership, faceoff ability, defensive zone presence, etc: drury>briere offensive playmaking/scoring ability: briere>drury briere=connolly you do the math... no need - your math looks good to me. :lol: If the Sabres keep Drury, do you think there is a SMALL CHANCE they could sign Zubrus? Just a thought. this is the second time i've seen someone post something about keeping zubrus. why are people saying this? the guy's shown me nothing so far - he's the quietest 6'4"+ player since mike wilson (maybe since adam creighton). in any case, even if he does come around, he's a rent-a-player, pure and simple.
Fronz1103 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 no need - your math looks good to me. :lol: this is the second time i've seen someone post something about keeping zubrus. why are people saying this? the guy's shown me nothing so far - he's the quietest 6'4"+ player since mike wilson (maybe since adam creighton). in any case, even if he does come around, he's a rent-a-player, pure and simple. It has only been two games though.. And Zubrus hasn't killed the Sabres and what he is .. a + 3 so far w/ the Sabres?? I'm sure the points will begin to come but he is still adjusting to this whole fitting in with the team concept... In addition to intentionally getting a big forward who can skate and put the puck in the net, was it the Sabres intention to get a guy who they felt could possibly compliment Drury on a line for good???..... .....Could this be an attempt to keep Drury happy, furthermore, making it easier for Chris to say that he wants to stay in Buffalo?? :unsure:
jackb Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 Take it for what it's worth, it is Paul Hamilton after all. I think a huge issue that nobody talks about is giving Connolly almost 3 million a year when we have no idea if he'll ever play the entire contract. I know the Regier lovefest has been ongoing but he screwed this up (along w/ letting 10 players go to arbitration....but thats another story) by not lowballing Tim over the Summer in arbitration. Briere and Drury are proven clutch and durable performers. Connolly is a huge question mark. What if Tim takes another head shot? He's toast and the Sabres are on the hook for $$$ that could have kept 48 &23 here. Just a thought.
Rock DJ Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 Take it for what it's worth, it is Paul Hamilton after all. I think a huge issue that nobody talks about is giving Connolly almost 3 million a year when we have no idea if he'll ever play the entire contract. I know the Regier lovefest has been ongoing but he screwed this up (along w/ letting 10 players go to arbitration....but thats another story) by not lowballing Tim over the Summer in arbitration. Briere and Drury are proven clutch and durable performers. Connolly is a huge question mark. What if Tim takes another head shot? He's toast and the Sabres are on the hook for $$$ that could have kept 48 &23 here. Just a thought. Of all the moves Darcy has made, this is the one that I really had and still have a hard time digesting. He could have low balled a base with escalators based on gp. I'm curious how he was able to sell that contract to TG.
wjag Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 You know Rock DJ, I'm having a hard time reading your words. I can't get past your avatar. Can't decided which view I admire more.. :)
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