SabresFan526 Posted March 2, 2007 Report Posted March 2, 2007 Great point! I think Teppo should retire - he's old enough to receive Social Security... Even in his advanced age, he's still a pretty good and reliable defenseman. Also, Chelios is the one is actually old enough to receive Social Security. Teppo isn't as old as Chelios. By the way, is your name actually Seth Greenstein or are you a fan of the Blackhawks player from the late sixties?
Seth Greenstein Posted March 2, 2007 Report Posted March 2, 2007 Even in his advanced age, he's still a pretty good and reliable defenseman. Also, Chelios is the one is actually old enough to receive Social Security. Teppo isn't as old as Chelios. By the way, is your name actually Seth Greenstein or are you a fan of the Blackhawks player from the late sixties? You are right, Chelios is older, but I think his body is in better shape, plus he doesn't have a heart condition like Teppo does. And how the heck did you know about the obscure Blackhawks player from the sixties? Yes, I'm a fan of obscure players like that in all different sports.. Since you've actually heard of him, does anyone know his claim to fame?
Bmwolf21 Posted March 2, 2007 Report Posted March 2, 2007 Ripping off another sportswriter: Things I think I know about this thread: * If we lose one of the two, I think it will be Danny. Personal feelings aside (I want them both back, but forced to choose, I am 100% pro-Drury) I am in agreement with DeLuca on this one - of the two (and I hope I am wrong about this) Danny seems more likely to "go for the gold" and grab the biggest contract out there, based on his comments before arbitration last year. If Darcy did lowball him, maybe it was to try and keep some semblance of a salary structure in place, and to try to keep guys like Grier and Dumont. *If, as some of us think, Danny does go for the biggest contract available and walks, that's fine - he has certainly earned the right to do so and has earned a good contract this offseason. But I hope for his sake that he keeps his trap shut on the way out of town, and doesn't give the verbal middle finger to management for not re-signing him or "keeping the team together." * If he goes, I wouldn't have a problem with them keeping Z. Everything I've read indicates that he was looking for a longer-term deal at ~$3M per, so I think that is doable. It's also possible that Darcy got him with the intention of trying to sell him the team and area, so he would have a shot at re-signing him if Danny walks - possibly a nice insurance policy... * My gut tells me that somehow we don't get two years' from Connolly. I don't know if another hit will force him to retire, or if he'll never make it fully back, or if we'll get a trade offer we can't refuse, but I don't think he will be available for the rest of his contract. Maybe it's his injury history, maybe it's the Buffalo sports fan negativity rearing its ugly head, whatever. I hope I am wrong and he is the TC of last year. * Finally, after this injury wave gave us a sneak peek at the prospects in Rochester, I have to say I am excited about seeing these guys come up over the next couple years and contribute. We have some good young players down there that I think are going to make a big difference over the next few years, and I think that will factor heavily in Darcy's roster & salary decisions.
SabresFan526 Posted March 2, 2007 Report Posted March 2, 2007 Since you've actually heard of him, does anyone know his claim to fame? Wasn't he the first player to wear a yamaca under his helmet? I don't know if other players have since. I think I read about that somewhere. Something like his parents fled Nazi rule in Europe and he was born and raised in the U.S. with strong Jewish conviction? It's a fascinating story. Good post, BMWolf. It was very insightful. I agree with everything you wrote. By the way, I LOVE the picture/avatar that you use. I used to have Blades of Steel when I had a Nintendo. That game totally rocked!!!!!
Seth Greenstein Posted March 2, 2007 Report Posted March 2, 2007 I think that if you can get two absolute studs like Briere and Drury and lock them in for 5 years, you absolutely do it. The Sabres have one of the best farm systems in the entire NHL. You can put together a great team between the young talent that's already here and any pieces that you need to acquire via trade using the young prospects. I think they have a need at backup goalie now (since Biron got moved), but if I'm Regier, I do whatever it takes and keep both Briere, Drury and Miller (Sorry, I forgot about him). Look at the 1st Cup that the Avs won - they won with three superstars, Forsberg, Sakic, and Roy. Do I think Briere, Drury and Roy are in the same class? No - but with the more balanced NHL (due to the salary cap), I think three guys like Briere, Drury and Miller with other pieces just fit together could be the ticket to a great run over the next few years. And yes SabresFan526, you're right about Greenstein. I've run across VERY few people who actually know that story... Oh yeah BMWolf21 - Best hockey game ever! Since there was no Buffalo team, I always played as the Leafs or Kings. Actually, sorry, I played as "Toronto Hockey" or "Los Angeles Hockey". I always thought that they coded in Gretzky because LA was always awesome and had a ridiculously good center...
grinreaper Posted March 2, 2007 Report Posted March 2, 2007 I think that if you can get two absolute studs like Briere and Drury and lock them in for 5 years, you absolutely do it. The Sabres have one of the best farm systems in the entire NHL. You can put together a great team between the young talent that's already here and any pieces that you need to acquire via trade using the young prospects. I think they have a need at backup goalie now (since Biron got moved), but if I'm Regier, I do whatever it takes and keep both Briere, Drury and Miller (Sorry, I forgot about him). Look at the 1st Cup that the Avs won - they won with three superstars, Forsberg, Sakic, and Roy. Do I think Briere, Drury and Roy are in the same class? No - but with the more balanced NHL (due to the salary cap), I think three guys like Briere, Drury and Miller with other pieces just fit together could be the ticket to a great run over the next few years. And yes SabresFan526, you're right about Greenstein. I've run across VERY few people who actually know that story... Oh yeah BMWolf21 - Best hockey game ever! Since there was no Buffalo team, I always played as the Leafs or Kings. Actually, sorry, I played as "Toronto Hockey" or "Los Angeles Hockey". I always thought that they coded in Gretzky because LA was always awesome and had a ridiculously good center... According to players on other teams, one of the problems playing against the Sabres is their depth. I know it looks like we have more than enough depth now, and sure if we get everybody back we'll be in ridiculously good shape, but stuff happens, as we know from last year's conference final. I don't want to be another Tampa Bay with 3 stars and a bunch of journeymen either. The stars can go into a slump and since the journeymen normally play like they are in a slump, the team has little chance of winning. If it means giving up a Briere to keep 3 Hechts, I'd give up Briere (reluctantly).
grinreaper Posted March 2, 2007 Report Posted March 2, 2007 Sorry about that last post. I'm responsible for the last paragraph only. Don't want to be accused of plagarizm!
Bmwolf21 Posted March 2, 2007 Report Posted March 2, 2007 This was my other favorite hockey game "from back in the day":
drnkirishone Posted March 2, 2007 Report Posted March 2, 2007 he wanted 5 year's 20 million from the caps. It is not a stretch to figure a team will pay him 5 or 6 million for a 3 year deal. Maybe he will still take 4 million a year for a 5 year deal. But I don't see him signing for less then that. Look no further then Briere's awarded contract last summer. 5 million for a guy that played only 48 games and put up 58 points. what would thous numbers get this coming offseason in arbitration? probaly 6 millionish.
Bmwolf21 Posted March 3, 2007 Report Posted March 3, 2007 he wanted 5 year's 20 million from the caps. It is not a stretch to figure a team will pay him 5 or 6 million for a 3 year deal. Maybe he will still take 4 million a year for a 5 year deal. But I don't see him signing for less then that. Look no further then Briere's awarded contract last summer. 5 million for a guy that played only 48 games and put up 58 points. what would thous numbers get this coming offseason in arbitration? probaly 6 millionish.Where did you see 5 years, $20M from the Caps? I posted this in another thread, but I haven't seen anything contrary to this report. The Washington Post's trade deadline day blog said Zubrus & the Caps were in agreement for a ~$3M per year deal, but that Z wanted 5 years and the Caps would only go three:(posted 2/27 at 12:35pm) Latest on Zubrus Well, I just spoke to Zubrus. And he doesn't think he's going to sign an extension before the deadline. He said there was some talk this morning between the Caps and his agent, but no progress was made. As I've reported, the sticking point is the length of term. He wants five years; the Caps want three. The money is about the same--$3 mil per. LINK I think it IS a stretch to think that he would get $5M or more - I think he should get in the neighborhood of $3 - 3.5, maybe 3.75 - 4 if he blows up during the stretch run and the playoffs. As much as I'd like to see him stay if we can't re-sign Danny, like some of the other "overpaid" guys in the league, if some idiot wants to throw $5-6M at Zubrus for 60-70 points, then I say thanks for stopping by, and let him chew up that cap space on another team. He's not a $5M+ guy by any stretch of the imagination, IMO.
Doohicksie Posted March 3, 2007 Report Posted March 3, 2007 I haven't read the whole thread, but I noticed that since Drury has been out, especially the game when Briere was sick..... Hecht can fill the leadership gap. He is a helluva player and if Briere or Drury moved on I think he would be a player that would fill the hole.
drnkirishone Posted March 3, 2007 Report Posted March 3, 2007 hmmm I remember reading 5 year 20 million somewhere but can't remember were
Taro T Posted March 3, 2007 Report Posted March 3, 2007 he wanted 5 year's 20 million from the caps. It is not a stretch to figure a team will pay him 5 or 6 million for a 3 year deal. Maybe he will still take 4 million a year for a 5 year deal. But I don't see him signing for less then that. Look no further then Briere's awarded contract last summer. 5 million for a guy that played only 48 games and put up 58 points. what would thous numbers get this coming offseason in arbitration? probaly 6 millionish. Briere averaged 1.21 points per game last year and is slightly ahead of that pace this year. He also was scoring better than a goal every 2 games, and is still averaging over 0.4 gpg this season. Zubrus, in what was his best season in the league to the time, averaged 0.87 ppg and 0.33 gpg. This year, he's on pace for 0.80 ppg and 0.32 gpg. Were Zubrus an arbitration eligible RFA, Daniel Briere would NOT be a favorable comparable to Zubrus. Zubrus would NOT receive a $6MM award from an arbitrator, were he eligible. While the contract McKee was given by the Blues makes one "never say never", there is absolutely no reason to believe a sane GM would give Zubrus anywhere close to $6MM/year. It is a stretch to figure a team will pay him $5-6MM/year for 3 years. This is not like the NFL where you can give guys huge bonuses that get amortized over the life of the contract and almost none of the money but the bonus is guaranteed. The NHL has no bonuses, except in limited cases, the average $ of the contract is what counts toward the salary cap, and you WILL pay the player 2/3's (or 100% in the case of injury or old players, 1/3 for very young players) of what you offer him. A $6MM/year hit is an enormous cap hit for a forward that'd be expected to score 65-70 points in an entire season.
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