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Kevyn Adams pre draft press conference and shenanigans festival
JP51 replied to LGR4GM's topic in The Aud Club
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I agree, we all know its horrific and the team is unwatchable too many nights... but do we really understand the extent of the damage done that is preventing us from turning this around... I fear that is way worse than the team performance itself...
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I think this is fair... it may not be that they have more points... etc... but If we trade a top 3 forward with upside for 1/2 pairing Dman great... a 2/3 pairing Dman then I think you over all decrease your level of talent and hurt the team more than help... I do agree with you on the needs part.. So if we are saying we are going to trade away a top 3 offensive player scoring 70pts for one that scores 50 - 55 and plays both ends and begins to change the complexion and the culture of the team... I would say we got the best player in the trade for us... I am with you there... Its when you trade the 70 pt guy with upside for an oft injured player that scores 55pts doesnt play in both ends of the rink and get a 2nd rounder in 2026 to make up for it I have the issues.
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Another not to defend Adams.. but I also think that he probably is actively trying to acquire a player in a Hockey trade to make the team better... I suspect he is encountering situations where NMCs are getting in the way... and those vet players that would help the team are limited because they just wont come here... or the younger vet players are at the end of their contracts and Adams is not convinced he can re-sign them... thus they become rentals... I am fine trading anyone as long as we get the best player in the trade... I think that is likely proving to be difficult... So, the only way Adams gets a trade of equal value is if he gets the lesser player in the trade and picks or prospects... I don't think that this strategy that we have been employing for years now is an accident... I think it is a result... a result of the brand being so badly damaged you simply cannot get talent to come here unless it is picks or prospects... essentially Adams and Pegula's destruction of any reputation and competence is their own personal jail cell to improvement... and Pegula's refusal to acknowledge the need to repair same has thrown away the key... until this changes... nothing changes... I suspect their will be trades... I suspect that we will be giving up the best player in the trade and having the compensation equalized with pics and prospects... or the player we are getting has availability issues, or is hurt etc... which is the same thing we have been seeing year after year because of the above... we will lose our sh*t and watch the player go on to great success with another team and remember when he played for us... Sorry to be so down... but I am just not thinking that needle moving help is on the way...
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I actually did need to explain I was moderately shocked myself, but in defense this poster is a pretty literal one... picking up sarcasm was not a specialty... lol c'est la vie bottom line is that it has gotten so bad that people actually dont know which way is up any more... it all falls in a category of "You cant make this sh%t up" LOL
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Hit the nail on the head... but you knew that as soon as 7-6-13 gave you the old eye roll LOL ... validation for sure lol 😆
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IT is exactly this... our own FO and Owner have destroyed the brand thru their incompetence and short sighteness followed by the stubborn refusal of same to realize that on their best day if they tried really hard they may rise to a level just below moronic... The only saving of this franchise is the establishment of a major FO player one who is respected and has a vision of what is required to compete in todays NHL that wrests control from the bumbling keystone cop which is our owner... Until then you will not be able to realistically add players to this team that can change its course... but more importantly, you have already seen the cracks internally amongst the players... they have moved out talent that could help us win and their ultimate success is certainly see by the players... You dont think Reinhart or Eichel or Montour or whomever isnt in the ears of some of these players saying Dude.. you gotta get out of there... Tage Thomspson is certainly hearing the rumblings... By all accounts this will be 15 years with out the playoffs and if by a miracle they make it what is sure to be a 4-0 or 4-1 merciless bludgeoning for a team ill prepared physically to actually PLAY in the playoffs... how long before those players whom we have actually developed to be good players are demanding trades... I think it starts this year... I hear the trade your prospects for players to help this team call... I agree 100% but throw in the fact you will probably not get those players to come here and you will be left trading high picks for Malenstyn's I cannot believe there is help on the way... further as long as Adams is in charge of assets and return every move he makes is going to set us back farther.... I am literally in do nothing mode with our assets with the exception of purge those like Muel that are eating your capitol and watching half the season from the press box and the other half they are on the ice ... you wish they were in the press box ... then pray you get a competent FO person to assess what we have and lay forth a plan... If Adams is in charge of the recovery plan... we are screwed.
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Exactly, this is one of that main reasons Adams needs to go... He and Pegula have destroyed the brand... you won't be able to compete in this league for players until you repair the brand... The only way I see to do this is hire real NHL FO talent with a vision and begin the long process... there are deep consequences for 14 going on 15 years of absolute incompetence and ignominy...
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He is awake and plotting how he can reduce payroll and give away players for below market value... and get Lafferty, Malenstyn, Aube - Kubel part 2 and an injured Norris type player to bolster the losing.
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Does winning matter for TP... I would say this... you almost have to make it your mission to be out of the playoffs for this long... like literally you have to focus hard on being incompetent... now I am not saying that he is trying to lose... but geez... I am running out of explanations other than legitimately he is clueless, fancies himself as the great Hockey oracle and only hires people who sycophant that notion... and keep who he likes... so I think he would like to win to prove that he is the great white knight... but in the end... being in control of his toy and making money are way more important... because lets not fool ourselves... once he got the Bills, they became his business per se... and Hockey was his toy hobby... or at least in my opinion...
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That is not something to me you can ever apologize for and have it mean anything other than you know you that you are a coward and wish you were not... to me its instinct... you cant train instinct... you can have people in the future go grab someone... thats nice... but if you are on the other team... knowing that there is serious intention and instinct not just preliminary obligation when something like that happens makes a difference... I can see it playing Mites or Bantams learning this but by the time you are in the NHL you should not need to be shamed into standing up for your family... it moves to the type of player and character that the incompetents that run this team target... Watching Brad Marchand go after whoever was infront of him no matter how big speaks volumes and shows deep contrast of who and how this team is made up... It is the antithesis of what I want in a team... and as far as Buffalo and its community the antithesis of who we are... or at least how I see us as a community... family, friends first, we are in this together.. times get rough but we help out... things get gritty but we stand up... we are not privileged as a community, we don't possess as a community the type of wealth that allows for routine luxury.... its one of the reasons I believe that the community has such a disdain for this team... (outside of the perennial losing and abject incompetence) but look the Ted Nolan teams lost too... but they stood up... I would say we liked those teams much better than this... at least i did... (No dont bring back TN LOL) anyways.... Lucic didnt break the Sabres... the vision of the GMs and the type of players we need broke the Sabres... start drafting some a**holes that are tough and can play... what Lucic did means nothing... continue trading or releasing away toughness (Foligno, Kassian, Kane, Zadorov, O'Reilly, Risto, Montour, Carrier, DesLauriers, Kulikov, Stewart etc...) and rewarding weak sloth and laziness.. you get what you always got... and no I am not looking to debate the merit of these trades, if they are needed etc.. just looking to point out what happens to players that have a bit of an edge on this team....
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Bottom line... eventually without leadership change all players on this team will want to leave this cesspool of dysfunctional incompetance... and those that dont want to leave it... I probably dont want on any hockey team I am vested in... or at minimum question their rationale... like I am 38 from here won 5 cups and my elderly mother lives here and they are over paying me.... ok, I can get that... but other than that if you are not clamoring to leave because your desire to win and not be looked at as a member of the Mickey Mouse club of failure and laziness then I really dont want you... the rebellion within to me is the only thing that will precipitate change from above... When 2 or 3 core players bolt or request trades and the others are buzzing... maybe then TP will go... Gee! we might have a small issue here...
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The key is competent FO and ownership... if we had that we likely dont even have some of those players... but suffice it to say if we had that we would be a whole lot better than 14 years out of the playoffs where we have had 2 1st over all picks and 2 2nd overall picks... and drafted in the top 10 pretty much every year for 14 years... We would be able to attract free agents, wouldnt be burdened by stupid contracts etc ....
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What, If Anything, Gives You Hope For Next Season?
JP51 replied to bob_sauve28's topic in The Aud Club
The only real hope I have is that God comes to TP in a revelation and says fire Adams.. I mean it could happen right LOL... anyways, I am in the until we have adult professional hockey people running the operations, team assembly and use of assets I just dont see it getting better... but, thats just me... -
At this point I would like to see what Levi can do at the NHL level... He will be 24 at the halfway point... I know there is a development contingent out there... but, how much longer before you see what you have at the big level... I have no problem signing Riemer... thats fine, but ultimately, I dont think Riemer or UPL get us to the promised land.. I clearly could listen to the argument... well lets get better on Defense and find out... ok.. but does that happen? If so, maybe minds change... but everything constant... Levi to me is our best hope to improve our goaltending situation... I am not saying he will he may make it worse... I dont know... but I would like to find out.... UPL is who he is... .898 sv% 3.06 GA in the league for 5 years... 3 of them as a workhorse... he is pretty average stat wise... is he really really going breakout .... is think he is who he is.... Reimer is who he is.... I dont see them drastically upping their game... so who provides that chance... to me its Levi...
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So true lol toxic relationships do that
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Exactly, like I hate to be the doomer... but in the end... nothing they can really do at this point matters... the organization is so broken and has burned so many bridges all but eradicated their brand and any respect or goodwill it had... I just dont see a way that they fix it or improve when ultimately, the players that we need wont come here... and those that are the ones that are core are starting to percolate they want another option... like I literally think the current FO is a crime... but in the end... I dont know what people expect them to do... they are incompetent beyond belief .... how could they possibly be successful navigating out of this situation... and even greater is Pegula that clueless that he cannot see the obvious... ? Just how I see it... maybe I have just given up and am too jaded... but the last thing I want is Adams in charge of our current assets... but here we are... the damage he has done to this team is going to get worse before it gets better... cause what does he care... he knows if there is no improvement he is likely gone, so he gonna take a swing... and that swing could set us back years...
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watch sub league sri lankan soccer... binge watch say yes to the dress... become a youth league bowling coach... catch up on keeping up with the Kardashia.... ok thats too much....
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I agree here, I believe this year, this summer is critical... if you dont make the playoffs this year... (and we must remember that the people we are in the cellar with are lapping us with improvement) then I cannot see Dahlin and Thompson standing for going into year 9 or 10 of no playoffs... and even if Tuch signs... when will he want to have a functional career with a functional franchise... and quite honestly with the lack of change at the helm and committment to transforming the FO, the difficulty of luring free agents with the win or die attitude to help improve the team, the battle we have with no trade clauses in player for player trades making it almost impossible to get the best player in the trade... or one who will help up transform the team. I think we are closer to a rebuild then we are the playoffs at this point. This summer and our performance next year will ultimately tell the tale... but I fear we are ultimately looking at a massive overhaul in the FO with a potential tear down or at least a major re tool involving current core players that are late 20s and up
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Friedman- Sabres looking to move prospects for players
JP51 replied to JoeSchmoe's topic in The Aud Club
That is exactly what I believe will happen, this model is a flawed failure it has been repeated over an over.... I do not see it changing... it seems that it may have been a proper strategy once upon a time... in the beginning of the rebuilding 10 years ago... unfortunately it has been our mantra and now it may be the only choice left as players dont want to come here, rumblings of desire to leave and or are reticent to stay behind closed doors... it is further compounded by the fact they have eradicated the brand so viciously that they are a running joke and attracting solid talent with the win or die trying attitude is about impossible... and if you do a player for player swap you are all but limited to players with no trade clauses... and you have to typically over pay in that space... or rarely get the best player... Until the over all lay of the land changes here and the team is immersed in credibility and competence this is likely the way its going to continue to be... you are probably going to get your best on paper value out of prospects and picks... you are likely not getting the best player i the trade... so you trade for picks and prospects with upside or you over pay. and the last dirty secret as I see it... as I am watching Tuch get older and hearing rumblings there... Dahlin having conversations with KA seemingly not amused with what is going on, Peterka showing resistance, how long is it before these core players want out... like how many seasons is Dahlin going to accept never being in the playoffs... currently 7 years out of his NHL career? ... When is Thompson going to demand to be moved after spending 7 years of his career with no playoffs? The reality of this is we may be closer to rebuilding again then we are to making the playoffs... if it doesnt happen this year... Is Dahlin and Thompson gonna want to go into year 9 looking for their first appearance... If it doesnt happen this year or at the outside next. I think their will be anarchy in the locker room from some of our core leaders... trades demanded and the rebuild begins again... Who knows... it may have already been forced on us and our FO doesnt know or accept it... this summer will tell us a lot more... -
Friedman- Sabres looking to move prospects for players
JP51 replied to JoeSchmoe's topic in The Aud Club
Ok literally this is epic... I think going forward when we simply type Smithers... that we all understand who we are referring too... because this one is a mic drop. -
I agree 100% At this point no more prospects or lesser pieces... you wanna trade JJ fine, but you better be getting the best player in the trade... (more likely is Adams moves him for a lesser player and a pick... JJ goes on to be Reinhardt and we are left to wallow in our GMs own incompetence..) you wanna bring in Robertson that might work... I honestly don't know who I would move him for that makes us better and takes into account what I think is his likely upside... but hey... find me that person and we can talk... otherwise... JJP stays. I think I have said this before... there is no player on this team i would not trade... as long as we are getting the best player back... Dahlin... fine... but he better be a piece in a trade to get a superstar like MacKinnon or Drasaitl or McJeebus or something crazy like fine trade Turgeon but you better be getting back LaFontaine...
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I think we all know what is going to happen... Adams will make plays for players that can help the organization, they will not want to come here because this organiation is the worst in professional sports with no relief in sight... Adams will blame palm trees and then use our existing players and prospects and over pay to bring on middling players at best (Malynstien, Laugherty, etc... ) who wont move the needle devoid us of potentially some premium talent (who would have left us anyways) and we will be in an out of last place in the conference again all year. Nothing changes until Pegula sells or drastically changes the organizational structure to include a legitimate person to steer the ship and cede control to that person. Until then we are on the hamster wheel...
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I think if Adams said hey you can pick your staff... but Mr Pegula likes these guys and really wants you to take a look at them... fine... but if there was someone he wanted badly to add and couldnt last year that should have been a red flag... HOWEVER after "looking at them" for a full year with this disastrous season I see one of two possibilties... Lindy wants to make changes and cant... or Lindy actually believes that this level of performance by his assistants was acceptable... either one is damning of Lindy... the last and final option not Lindy's fault was they said... go ahead Lindy, hire who you want... and literally no one wanted to come here.... that is a distinct possibility and even more damning of our situation.... bottom line ... not good no matter how you look at it.
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Not sure the optics of trading Power for a middle 2/3 historical D pairing guy is enough return, I feel like he (Power) would be better used as a chip to get a much more game changing player (like on the other side optically getting a former 1st overall that has been at least offensively reasonably productive) ... so I would look to people like Muel, Quinn, Rosen, picks etc... to get that done... Just thinking out loud... guy is a pretty big hitter... is he the guy you look to pair with Power on a 2nd line D pair... I dont know enough about other aspects of his game, but does his toughness elicit more toughness from Power if he is playing with him? Just a thought....