JP51

Fair enough

Listen I get it... the European thing has less to do about size and more to do about style. My belief is that 5 years from no no one will compare Iginlas style of play and ability to take away space to Helenius. If I am building a pond hockey team let's say with no boards and unlimited space I am valuing speed stickhandling and puck movement overall in the style I am looking for. If I am succeeding in European hockey where the rink is 15 feet wider I worry less about operation in small space and taking away space and naturally the skilled skaters will be more successful. When I look at a more confined NHL surface space eating and operating in confined space exponentially becomes more valuable. This does not mean Europeans can't do it nor does it mean that every player on your team has to Excell at it. My belief though is that you need a solid mix of both. We do not .. we have an abundance of skilled skaters etc... we need people to play in confined space. The over drafting of Europeans has been a theme here for years and we see the results. Maybe Helenius is the second coming of Wendel Clark... I don't know. But philosophically I can't agree with what Adams is doing because let's face it they are 18 yr old kids and no one knows how they will end up. But philosophically I believe his focus needs to be on players that operate in a smaller space and are skilled at taking away space. I respect your disagreement with that... but it's simply the way I see it. You see it differently and that's ok time will tell.

Love this I think you nailed it with suitable trade... I think he tried I really do... I think the Brand has been devalued to Coyote staus and players with NMC won't come here. This is sad... to answer the question I would have done 1 of 3 things in order 1. Try hard to move up for Tij Iginla 2. Not trade back take Sam Dickinson at 11 3. If 1 and 2 aren't possible I take Cole Eiserman at 16.

Omg I just spit out my bourbon lol 😆 well played lol 😆

I love how you say I am wrong as if any of us know how an 18 yr old is gonna play out in 6 years. You said I was wrong when I told you who Adams would pick too... we don't agree. I respect your opinion... I don't even say you are wrong... I say his (adams) philosophy is flawed and the look on Lindys face should say something about that. Time will tell

Cmon man he is another European under 6 ft under 200lbs prospect in a 6'1 205 leauge that will never strike fear into the hearts of anyone in the corner... please just please... it's Adams motif and the motif of this team for 2 failing decades.

Cmon He did EXACTLY what I said he would... exactly... like clockwork...

Yes he understands Adams is clueless and literally is pining to lose in an embarrassing fashion again another European piroutter with flowing locks ... he needs to be fired

How could he ... he knows what we need Adams is clueless he wants to replicate the ice capades Des

He takes another European figure skater that plays small

Aaaaaaaand Adams takes another European Figure skater with Dorothy Hamilon hair flowing like Ron Dugay... anyone surprised? FIRE HIM NOW

Aaaaaaaaand Adams takes another small European figure skater...

Lol Clearly Adams loves his lineup and selects another small European figure skater

Totally agree... we have got to balance this team out with players who operate in small space and take away space physically. It will also do wonders for our highly skilled players by giving them some space and liberate some of those other players like Cozens, Tuch, Dahlin and maybe even Thompson and Power who will be inclined to use thier size if they dont have to be the #1 aggressors on this team. (although I am not sure Power has it in him)

I think he is gonna try, but I worry he is gonna force it because the players he is after with NMCs are not going to waive them for us... this is going to be interesting. I think we end up way over paying for a FA ... but I hope he makes some magic.

at this point LOL I would take him... It was a long time ago, but I seem to remember it was less about his play and more about his fit in the locker room. Not sure his team mates were supportive of him... but who knows the memory fades. But hell remember when Roy Pomenville and Vanek were our 3rd line.... that was a stacked team.

Amen here.... we lost with you we can lose with out you but dont tell me we need you... I remember when the got rid of Derek Roy... addition by subtraction... AND I believe the last time we made the playoffs.

I agree... and the devaluation of the Brand over the past 2 decades cannot make it easier to get players to come here that have NMC in their contract... Seems everytime I see or hear of someone who has 10 teams crossed out the Sabres seem to be one of them... and quite frankly, who can blame them...

Praise be LOL 🙂 !

a mid/early 2nd for a 3 spot move seems like good value to me. Especially in an NHL draft of mostly teenagers.

I like the Avs chances next year... So Casey at the bat.

When I speak of size, I really mean how they play... I understand that was clearly not clear. But again... Love Benson could he turn into a Marchand... who knows.. our team is littered with Big players who are not overly physical and quite honestly a bit nasty (Power, Tuch, Thompson... etc..) . I am not seeing this our of the players we have in the pipeline that are high on the prospect list. I would like to see more. For once I want us to have identified a quality player in the pipeline who has that degree of nasty... I believe we need them to allow others to not only play their game, but feel free to play tougher without fear and up the level of team toughness. I have seen this dance for a long time and I believe our philosophy and valuing of players needs to be adjusted.

Well we can agree on that... I dont see rushed developmet at all.. I think it will serve us well... I also dont disagree with draft good players (Although an argument can be made for Reinhart as the best C LOL) and dont get me wrong, I have no problem whatsoever with skilled hockey players that can play in space... But I believe a mix is required and right now we are over loaded with the former. My hope is that there is recognition of this and yes some frustration over the past decade and a half that we did not pay enough attention to this... that being said, thanks for responding, I am new here and I appreciate the solid discussion.

Didnt see the edit sorry... I would say that comparing NHL players to drafted players is like comparing the fish you caught vs those you casted for... but in the end we are talking about the draft and who we think will be drafted. I am relying on Adams draft history over the past 4 years and it seems to me he overloads European players in his picks. This results in a team that is not very difficult to play against... and to that point, it is not just the European players he picks... they are from all over... I would like him to begin to appropriately recognize that we are soft... in fact if you listen to the players review of their own team they say that in so many words... I am hopeful he will address this. Time will tell. The funny thing is if you ask me what I really think he will do with this pick I would be shocked if he didnt trade it...

Not sure what that has to do with this... and I suspect that you didnt forget... just a guess...