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so we are all trying to say that the team is finally getting it right? Maybe so but any team that is any good is strong down the middle and after we give away Jack we will be really weak and we have no prospects at center as we keep drafting wingers and d-men. I guess if we keep tanking sooner or later we'll get a star center that we can keep. You gotta have a star center I think but maybe I'm, wrong...

So we got Dahlin then Power so we can't get 1st overall next year so we 're tanking for what?

Once we give Jack away for a bag of hockey pucks as we did with Sam will we even meet the cap-floor threshold? Looking on the bright aside we should be able to lock up the 1st overall pick again next year fairly early. Isn't there new rules concerning how many times one team can have the 1st overall pick now? Thought I read that a new rule came in stopping teams from getting 1st overall pick too often in a 5 year stretch. Anybody hear of this rule?

Which begs the question once we give Jack away for a bag of hockey pucks as we did with Sam will we even meet the cap-floor threshold? Looking on the bright aside we should be able to lock up the 1st overall pick again next year fairly early. Isn;t there new rules concerning how many times one team can have the 1st overall pick now? Thought I read that a new rule came in stopping teams from getting 1st overall pick too often in a 5 year stretch. Anybody hear of this rule?

They did draft a couple of Russians which is interesting. Either way I seriously hope we are not actually considering going after one or more of these over-priced FA's. Of course that would be typical of this team to let a guy who has performed very well for us since we tanked and drafted him 2nd overall leave for basically nothing (a pick that will be in the 20's and a goalie who may or may not become a NHL goalie) and not try to sign him long term but then overpay for some FA who will come here and be a bust (as most of the FA's usually are). At this point we might as well go all in and tank again next year. Apparently the Pegulas need the money now as they have over paid for a bunch of lousy ex-coaches & ex-GM's (and there are lots)... makes me sick to think we tanked to get Jack and Sam and we are now giving them away and acting like they are the problem. Why is it always the players who are the problem? Briere...Drury,,,ROR...Lehner...Sam...Jack...guess they are all not good NHLer's...

Yeah but they are all pretty-much done. The team has to hit the floor cap wise so they have to have some salary and those will ensure they make that threshold (they will also help to lose no doubt). Once Jack is gone for whatever (I do not expect much after the Sam trade) that will lose a pile of cap so they have to have someone making enough to hit the cap floor.

Have to agree this is a tank without letting on...you simply do not give away as player as good and as important to your team as Sam was and get nothing in return if you have any thought of winning. Hell they couldn't score enough last year with Sam so clearly they will be lucky to score much at all next year. DG comes cheaper then those other guys like Boudreau and while he (DG) seemed to re-invigorate the team and help the young guys as stated earlier they went 3-7 at the end and had all kids of problems scoring. Really at this point they might as well tank as clearly they have no interest in paying guys to win now. Sam & Risto were clearly salary dumps and Jack will be next.

Clearly those rumours about the Pegulas losing money and all were true as giving away Sam for basically nothing is clearly a salary dump. Even the Risto move was a salary dump but Philly just happened to make KA look good by giving a good return. It is lucky Philly gave that return or we may have got nothing for both players. Next we'll see Jack moved and again the return will be at best under-whelming. It would absolutely no sense to keep Jack now. Who knows maybe the team is for sale. The Pegulas have deep pockets but obviously all their terrible moves with coaches and GMs has and is costing them a bundle and they are looking to cut cost. No different then when the team cut cost back when they let Briere and Drury go for nothing.

So how are we going to make the cap when we trade Jack for some picks and maybe a few so-so prospects? What are we going to do try and sign free agents? That would make a lot of sense...trade really good players like Sam and Jack then try to sign a free agent...who the hell will want top play here now? Heck for that matter most of the players left here will not want to be here once we stat losing again which obviously we did in great abundance last year with Sam and now we lose his goals and leadership. Guess Casey will be our #1 center for years to com,e as we did not even draft a center.

If that is really all we get then this is damn near as bad as the now infamous ROR trade. Heck maybe JBotto can feel better now knowing he is no longer the answer to the question: who made the worse all time trade in Sabre history?" Absolutely f##king pathetic. Iguess if he gets a high 1st and two so-so propects for Jack KA will think he has done a great job apparently. Whatever...I give up with this team. Enough is enough...

guess they figured time to draft a Russian. Let the rebuild continue...

there is absolutely no reason to keep Jack now...if they thought we was miserable before imagine now after trading two key players on the team for nothing that can help the team now. I can just hear it: "geez Jack just hang in there we may be better in 3 or 4 years". Sure Jack'll be real impressed

agreed...in fact it makes absolutely no sense to even remotely consider keeping Jack now as you might as well go all in with the rebuild (and this is now offically a rebuild) as Jack will have no one to play with (unless you consider Skinner). Sad to think we went through the"tank" years for absolutely nothing as we have now given away what we gained from those terrible years and have not much to show for it. Gonna be long years ahead with no scoring and no superstars or even anyone close (Jack still is considered this and Sam was pretty darn close) either on the team or anywhere in the system. I don't think Power will ever be a superstar d-man like Hedman. Safe to say there is no future superstar anywhere in the system so I have no idea what the plan is here. Be different if this year's 1st overall was a clear future superstar like McDavid or even Jack. Boy after following this team since day one this is depressing...

I truly hope it is far better or more then a goalie prospect and a late 1st (Florida was very good without Sam and will be even better with him). I guess I am one of those rare followers that actually liked Risto and Sam very much and was not all geddy about trading either. I also hoped that we'd keep jack too and have a pretty good team next year. Now we have to trade jack as keeping him would be rather silly as he'd have no one to play with (I know we still have Skinner). Boy sure gonna be a long year next season. I can hardly wait haha...

I love the return but trading our only aggressive experienced d-man kinda makes me think we are trading for the future which is a good thing but if that's the case then we might as well trade both Jack & Sam and continue to build for the future. It certainly looks as if we are re-building and if that is the case we might as well go al in. I was one of the very rare people on here that actually liked Risto and I think we need to get MORE aggressive and physical and trading our only real physical player for me makes me think we are clearly going for youth (which is a real good thing but why keep Jack and/or Sam if we are re-building?).

I find it hard to believe they got that much for Risto but then again I always liked him and think the team will sadly miss his aggressiveness. We are a far too easy team to play against and without Risto there is no one to hit anybody. It is a good return mind you and I have no doubt Risto will do really well in Philly (and we have to face him a bunch of times which won't be fun)

I also heard on TSN that the Leafs have only 6 picks total in the next TWO drafts! No 1st this year of course. Absolutely crazy. As they said Dubas gives away picks & propsects like there's no tomorrow. It would all make sense if they were a big contender who were winning cups but they haven;t won a playoff series in a million years. And yes Edmonton are desperate and going "all in" on Hyman but in the end it will be defense that wins another cup for Tampa next year (there is still no one who can beat them in a 7 game series)

so Edmonton is going to throw some crazy offer to Hyman while losing the only half-decent d-men they had last year. They, like the Leafs do not seem to understand that a team has to build around their defense and goal tending and one only needs look at Tampa. They are excellent on defense (both their d-men and the team in general). Hedman is simply a beast (and hopefully Power can become something roughly anywhere near as good as him). The Oilers and the Leafs are not very good at team defense and their actually defense is suspect at best and now Edmonton will throw all kinds of money and term at Hyman which signifies they won;t have money for any d-men.

totally 100% accurate. Anybody wishing the Pegula's sell should be careful what they wish for...new owners will look to move team no doubt. Just as Quebec lost their team and now regret that and are trying desperately to get another team, Buffalo may be in the same spot if Pegula's sell. Once a team has left it is hard to get another approval for a new franchise. Be thankful the Pegula's seem to love Buffalo and have no intention of moving wither team.

Thanks for reply...while we are back in that division at least the teams that make the playoffs are taken from two separate divisions I believe so we just have to be in top 8 in our conference I think. Mind you there are some good teams in the other division within our conference too no doubt. I don;t know maybe just wishful thinking but I really thought we played well under meatballs and hope maybe we can finally sneak into playoffs. I like to think we wil have a newly signed Sam and a healthy Jack and we will be quite competitive. I can dream I suppose!

so seeing how everybody knows everything on here and only they are right with their opinions (when in reality there is no such thing as a "wrong" opinion)does anybody know if the NHL is returning to the normal old divisional set up? That division we were in last year was tough for sure. Maybe we can try and hope we can sneak in the playoffs next year with a new fresh attitude and meatballs coaching.

As a Canadian (sometimes proud, other times just kinda in the middle) I do think our whole situation is with COVID 19 is entirely different then that of the US. Here (Canada) we are blessed and lucky to have an amazing health-care system that is basically free and there for us top use whenever and however we please. I suffered a nasty massive heart attack back in 2010 (complete 100% blockage which they like to call the widow-maker). Our healthcare system was and continues to be so efficient and looks after me anytime I need anything. Conversely, many Americans cannot afford the health care they really need but their government does not really care as they do not pay for their healthcare as Canada's does, Here raising cases means many more in hospitals and that costs our government tons so in some senses it is cheaper to lockdown and lose that revenue then it is to open up and have to contend with massive heathcare costs. I read somewhere that they figure many many US citizens died of COVID at home as they simply could not afford to go to the hospital. We do however have a Premier here in Ontario that is trying to look good and open up when it may be very dangerous and silly to do so at this time. This whole bloody COVID thing is such that no matter what any government does they look stupid or wrong. Anyways back to the Sabres do you all not think Seattle would be better off with Borgen then Miller? Of course if Seattle takes Will then tries to send him to their AHL team he would have to clear waivers I believe and we could claim him back as we'd get first dibs (I also believe).

this actually makes sense...Risto is exactly what Philly likes and he would be a absolute monster playing for them. Meanwhile Konecny has fallen from grace with Philly for whatever reason and has loads of upside.

you really think that is a good trade seems to me Sam is worth more

Was reading The Hockey News mock expansion draft and they have Seattle taking MIller and also taking Matt Duschene from Nashville which begs the question...why take Duschene and have no one to play with him? Would Skinner not make a good line mate? Of course then Skinner would go on to score 20 or 30 goals... OH do we have any interest in Jake Allen who Montreal cannot protect?