Archie Lee

I agree that this is how it is shaping up. I will certainly be happy if Ruff is successful and won’t begrudge him any success. It would be a pretty cool story if he is the one who gets us back in the playoffs. I just don’t think there is much reason to think he is the future of the franchise.

On the "Lou" discussion, I would take 70-75 year old Lou as GM or POHO or both. 82 year old Lou, I'm sure will find a role as a Senior Advisor if he wants one. I would have no objection to him having such a role with the Sabres, though it will never happen. I would not want him to be our GM or POHO at this point. I concede that even with the Islanders producing diminishing returns recently, Lou is objectively a better "hockey-man" than Kevyn Adams (assuming the universally accepted metric is still wins and playoff appearances), but the bar is low there, and the evidence supports that Lou isn't the hockey-man he once was. I would prefer to take a chance on someone new to the role. The larger point in all of this is that teams that have recently accomplished much more than the Sabres have under Adams, are making changes or are taking substantial heat from their local media and fan-bases, for failing to meet expectations that are significantly higher and more difficult to obtain, than the expectations in Buffalo. There is nothing rash about expecting change when the GM of your team has failed to produce a playoff season in 5 years, and has overseen a regression in the past two. I think it was @Weave who referenced the draft lottery as the most likely drop-dead date; I think that is correct. If Adams is still the GM on May 6th, we are headed into a lame-duck season.

Yeah, it’s almost like the Oilers did the opposite of what we have done. We have been relying on internal growth, without having the veterans around to provide balance to the roster. The Oilers had 3-4 younger guys poised to take the next step in their careers and likely could have improved by relying on internal growth. Their roster mistakes might cost them a lot more than one playoff series. As an aside, three players who are in the playoffs with their new teams who we easily could have outbid their new teams for in trade or UFA cost, are Logan Thompson, Cody Ceci, and Warren Foegele. They are collectively what we needed instead of Reimer/Levi, Jokiharju, and Aubé-Kubel.

The series is far from over, but going with Skinner, Arvidsson, Henrique over Holloway, Foegele, McLeod, is looking like an epic level failure. Not that we are where the Oilers were or are, but it is perhaps a cautionary tale about moving on from younger players for veterans. It has to be the right veterans.

The reason it works with Cassidy, in my view, is that aside from being difficult/demanding he is also just an elite-level NHL coach. I don’t think the “hard on players” approach works if you don’t have the coaching chops to render results. I guess that’s pretty obvious. I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming, particularly when it comes to the parts of the game that we are lacking (defensive structure, discipline), that Ruff has not been a good NHL HC for a long time now. I think that good coaches, regardless of whether they are difficult/demanding or a “player’s coach”, instil discipline, structure, and urgency. I frankly don’t care which style of coach we have. I just want a really good one.

Why would you have Lindy Ruff as your POHO? Also, why are you limiting Ruff to hiring a GM from within? Also, why are you hiring the coach. Finally, why are you saddling the head coach with former Sabres as assistants, who have been hand picked by Ruff?

I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but I wanted to make a comment about the 13 game losing streak. A lot has been written about Adams's failure to do anything to try and course correct during the streak., and I certainly understand the sentiment. Adams has now said that if he could do it over again he would do something, like call up a player from Rochester or maybe a trade (qualified, as always, by: "But I don't want to do anything reactionary that hurts us down the line".). I think this narrative that Adams should have done something and his begrudging acknowledgement of this, is letting Adams off the hook a bit. It suggests that Adams can learn from the mistake of letting things go south for too long before acting. It's really missing the point. THE POINT, is that in his 5th year as GM Adams iced a hockey team that was capable of losing 13 games in a row. The fix for this catastrophic error was required in June and July of 2024, not at the 4 game point of the losing streak. Calling up Brett Murray or Ryan Johnson or Isaac Rosen, was not going to fix that mess. The tie in to the thread, is that it has always been the case that the players are aware of management's shortcomings. As much as we want to think that the players should just be professionals and suck it up and play to their highest levels, it's naive to think that the players' preparation, commitment, focus, and effort, won't be negatively impacted by having one of their hands tied figuratively behind their backs by bad management.

I think the spot was left open for whoever seized it (Savoie, Benson, Kulich, or Rosen; and if one of them didn’t step-up, it would have just gone to Murray or Biro or a waiver claim). Benson definitely did earn the spot, but there should not have been a spot left so open.

Well, then I think the answer is that he is not that level of a player. Panarin and Kaprizov were/are game changing players without having a top-centre.

I agree in this sense: if everyone plays well with Dahlin and less so without him, then why not just pick Dahlin's partner once an for all and at least let that guy grow into the role of the 1st pairing partner of a Norris-trophy-level d-man. Then decide who you are keeping amongst the other d-men and go out and get the best partners you can for them. Why diminish everyone's value by showing the world they are only good with Dahlin?

I was just thinking the other day: What exactly is JJ Peterka. He is going into the season where he will turn 24. Perhaps interestingly, that was the age that Panarin and Kaprizov were when they first arrived in the NHL. Peterka is coming off a 68 point NHL season (77 games), which is at least as impressive as the 62 point seasons that Panarin and Kaprizov had in their final KHL years (in 54 and 57 games respectively). In the trade deadline speculation re: Peterka to the Rangers, it was stated that Peca, who coached Peterka in Rochester, thought he could be a 100 point NHL player. Does Peterka have that level of game-changing, impact ability?

I'm not endorsing any of the Kraken moves, but what does it say about the Sabres, if an expansion team that has only been in the league 4 years and already has a playoff appearance and a 1st rd win under their belts, is on to their 2nd GM and 3rd HC, because the results just aren't good enough?

This has been my point on Benson all along. It wasn't that he was unable to play in the NHL (he clearly has been able to play an effective role), but by leaving a spot open for a player on an ELC when he had $10 million in unused cap, Adams set the tone of complacency. If your GM lacks urgency to win, how can you expect the players to approach their jobs with urgency? It starts at the top. Adams looked at the improved results in 21-22 (from 54 to 75 points) and 22-23 (from 75 to 91 points) and concluded he was smart and that if he just stayed the course the next step would be 100 points and the playoffs. He completely neglected to consider that the single biggest factor in those improvements was Tage Thompson unexpectedly transforming from a borderline NHLer to a legit-star. Adams's off-season prior to 23-24 set this team back 3-4 years.

Actually, no. Hiring Ruff to be POHO is precisely the sort of thing a hapless organization that hasn’t seen the playoffs in 14 years and thought it would be a good idea to have Adams as the GM, would do.

They were calculated gambles though. There was an article earlier re: Dubois and about how they saw in scouting that he was most engaged in a shutdown 2-way role, so that is how they use him. Thompson was a career .911ish goalie before this season (never below .908); it’s a mystery that he was not more highly valued. They definitely had a plan. You won’t hear their GM say that they didn’t know how someone would fit.