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Maybe I’m alone in this opinion. And thats fine by me ... but I think Ryan Miller while he was a Sabre, was mostly an above average goalie, with one elite year. And it reminds me of how I view Hall now. That’s all.

Sorta like Ryan Miller 😂

Siiiiiick pass Joker!

Yes he has shown he can man his post… For about 30 games or so. Before that… Not so much. At least that’s my opinion.

Good for him. Honestly! i had I big rant going but it’s not worth my time.

Um .... ooook. Everyone has an opinion I guess 😂 Out of all the coaches, I liked Rolston the least. Didn’t care for his coaching ability.

Hey I was just spitballing ... although we know Hall The way the Sabres know Hall. Perhaps New Jersey has a different feeling or impression or opinion of Hall. I mean he did have a pretty good time there. perhaps the management thinks they could re-capture that and rekindle that with Hall. again just spitballing an idea. Personally I don’t care one way or the other 😂

Doh! Changing it lol

With those trades, Devils got worse this season. I wonder if they’re clearing space for a run at Hall. Sabres ... 4 Devils ... 2 Mitts, Skinner, or Risto with a goal

Maybe this will help ... (Cupping hands around mouth like a megaphone) Kyle Okposo has a M-NTC ... https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kyle-okposo Between his bloated contract that no one will take on AND his NTC, AND his major injury history... he’s practically impossible to move. No, really... He is. Jeff Skinner has a NMC ... https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jeff-skinner Between his insane contract that no one will take on AND his NMC ... he’s impossible to move. Even if the Sabres retain 50%. He holds all the cards right now. Unless both players waive their Clauses, they are Sabres. The only semi silver cloud, is if the Sabres buy out KO after this season. https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/kyle-okposo

I think this is lost on a good portion of fans. The “hit” rate isn’t all that high. Hovering around 25%. That’s it. For 2nd rounders. now one can argue and bicker and differ about what “hit rate” means....

I missed putting him in Bold. He was there. But thanks for pointing him out. Fixed it. 👍🏼

If Dahlin is ruined. Truly, undoubtedly ruined.... he would not have had a game like tonight. Ever. He’s not ruined. He’s still developing. RK stunted him. Not ruined him.

It's been awhile since i created the 3rd thru 7th round threads. Who’s had NHL time? So i took a 10 year sample. From 2009 - 2018. In my opinion it’s too soon to judge anyone drafted in the 2rd round in 2019 or more recently to determine if a team drafted well in the 2nd. If you disagree, then post the more recent years if you want. I added the Buffalo picks (if there are any) just to see the names. This is the round (along with the 1st) where teams really turn from a “hope” mentality, to expect their pick to make their NHL team at some point and do rather well. -------------------------- 2009 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 31 NY Islanders Mikko Koskinen G Blues 117 0 4 4 2 2020-21 32 Detroit Landon Ferraro C Red Deer Rebels 77 7 5 12 29 2017-18 33 Colorado Ryan O'Reilly C 842 208 386 594 122 2020-21 34 Atlanta Carl Klingberg L 12 1 0 1 4 2014-15 35 Los Angeles Kyle Clifford L 712 64 73 137 865 2020-21 36 Phoenix Chris Brown C 23 2 1 3 21 2015-16 37 Anaheim Mat Clark D 9 0 1 1 6 2014-15 38 Dallas Alex Chiasson R 548 98 98 196 315 2020-21 39 Ottawa Jakob Silfverberg R 597 145 160 305 176 2020-21 40 Edmonton Anton Lander C 215 10 25 35 56 2016-17 44 Florida Drew Shore C 95 9 17 26 30 2020-21 45 Atlanta Jeremy Morin L 82 10 12 22 69 2014-15 46 Ottawa Robin Lehner G 311 0 4 4 26 2020-21 49 Colorado Stefan Elliott D 87 8 17 25 16 2018-19 51 Carolina Brian Dumoulin D 370 11 76 87 100 2020-21 52 Tampa Bay Richard Panik R 505 87 103 190 272 2020-21 53 Vancouver Anton Rodin R 3 0 1 1 0 2016-17 54 New Jersey Eric Gelinas D 189 14 41 55 92 2016-17 55 Washington Dmitri Orlov D 549 42 148 190 217 2020-21 58 Toronto Jesse Blacker D 1 0 0 0 0 2014-15 59 Chicago Brandon Pirri C 276 72 49 121 91 2020-21 60 Detroit Tomas Tatar L 609 174 197 371 222 2020-21 61 Pittsburgh Philip Samuelsson D 13 0 0 0 2 2015-16 ———————————————————————————- 2010 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 31 Edmonton Tyler Pitlick C 281 47 37 84 76 2020-21 33 Florida John Mcfarland R 3 0 0 0 0 2015-16 34 Columbus Dalton Smith L 1 0 0 0 2 2019-20 36 Florida Alexander Petrovic D 263 5 45 50 360 2018-19 37 Carolina Justin Faulk D 666 95 192 287 316 2020-21 38 New Jersey Jon Merrill D 390 12 53 65 207 2020-21 39 Minnesota Brett Bulmer R 17 0 3 3 15 2015-16 40 NY Rangers Christian Thomas L 27 1 2 3 9 2015-16 41 Dallas Patrik Nemeth D 353 7 49 56 176 2020-21 42 Anaheim Devante Smith-Pelly R 395 44 57 101 137 2018-19 45 Boston Ryan Spooner C 325 48 119 167 63 2018-19 46 Edmonton Martin Marincin D 227 5 29 34 110 2019-20 47 Los Angeles Tyler Toffoli R 557 164 165 329 160 2020-21 48 Edmonton Curtis Hamilton L 1 0 0 0 5 2014-15 49 Colorado Calvin Pickard G 112 0 3 3 4 2020-21 50 Florida Connor Brickley L 81 6 15 21 42 2018-19 51 Detroit Calle Jarnkrok C 492 92 110 202 113 2020-21 53 Carolina Mark Alt D 20 0 0 0 4 2020-21 54 Chicago Justin Holl D 120 6 29 35 64 2020-21 55 Columbus Petr Straka R 3 0 2 2 0 2014-15 56 Minnesota Johan Larsson L 430 43 63 106 212 2020-21 57 Phoenix Oscar Lindberg L 252 39 40 79 117 2018-19 58 Chicago Kent Simpson G 1 0 0 0 0 2013-14 59 Minnesota Jason Zucker L 491 143 120 263 181 2020-21 60 Chicago Stephen Johns D 167 15 18 33 93 2019-20 —————————————————————————— 2011 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 31 Edmonton David Musil D 4 0 2 2 2 2014-15 32 St. Louis Ty Rattie R 99 13 17 30 12 2018-19 33 Florida Rocco Grimaldi C U.S. 187 28 35 63 32 2020-21 34 NY Islanders Scott Mayfield D 267 16 50 66 249 2020-21 35 Detroit Tomas Jurco L 214 22 30 52 64 2020-21 36 Chicago Adam Clendening D 90 4 20 24 49 2018-19 37 Columbus Boone Jenner C 529 121 119 240 307 2020-21 38 Nashville Magnus Hellberg G 4 0 0 0 0 2016-17 39 Anaheim John Gibson G 312 0 3 3 32 2020-21 40 Boston Alexander Khokhlachev C 9 0 0 0 2 2015-16 41 St. Louis Dmitrij Jaskin R 303 27 42 69 88 2018-19 42 Carolina Victor Rask C 440 77 114 191 82 2020-21 43 Chicago Brandon Saad L 625 181 187 368 118 2020-21 44 Dallas Brett Ritchie R 284 36 27 63 190 2020-21 45 Calgary Markus Granlund C 335 58 43 101 86 2019-20 46 St. Louis Joel Edmundson D 372 22 60 82 335 2020-21 47 San Jose Matthew Nieto L 500 67 91 158 86 2020-21 48 Detroit Xavier Ouellet D 175 5 23 28 82 2020-21 49 Los Angeles Christopher Gibson G 15 0 0 0 0 2020-21 50 NY Islanders Johan Sundstrom C 11 0 1 1 6 2013-14 52 Nashville Miikka Salomaki R 167 12 15 27 76 2019-20 53 Anaheim William Karlsson C 447 110 147 257 62 2020-21 54 Pittsburgh Scott Harrington D 197 7 30 37 69 2020-21 55 Detroit Ryan Sproul D 44 2 10 12 12 2017-18 56 Phoenix Lucas Lessio L 41 3 4 7 12 2015-16 57 Calgary Tyler Wotherspoon D 30 0 5 5 4 2016-17 58 Tampa Bay Nikita Kucherov R 515 221 326 547 261 2019-20 61 Ottawa Shane Prince L 128 12 26 38 39 2017-18 ————————————————————————— 2012 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 31 Columbus Oscar Dansk G Brynas 6 0 0 0 0 2020-21 36 Anaheim Nicolas Kerdiles L 3 0 0 0 0 2017-18 37 Nashville Pontus Aberg L 132 17 27 44 34 2019-20 38 Carolina Phil Di Giuseppe L 196 16 37 53 66 2020-21 42 Calgary Patrick Sieloff D 2 2 0 2 2 2017-18 44 Buffalo Jake McCabe D 353 18 59 77 203 2020-21 45 Philadelphia Anthony Stolarz G 29 0 1 1 0 2020-21 47 Carolina Brock McGinn L 345 51 55 106 81 2020-21 49 Detroit Martin Frk R 118 18 21 39 22 2020-21 50 Nashville Colton Sissons C 361 52 47 99 127 2020-21 52 Pittsburgh Teddy Blueger C 125 19 28 47 44 2020-21 55 San Jose Chris Tierney C 475 66 137 203 92 2020-21 58 Phoenix Jordan Martinook L 408 45 68 113 181 2020-21 59 NY Rangers Cristoval "Boo" Nieves C 76 5 14 19 24 2019-20 60 New Jersey Damon Severson D 466 39 136 175 282 2020-21 61 Dallas Devin Shore C 313 42 71 113 55 2020-21 ———————————————————————— 2013 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 31 Florida Ian McCoshen D 60 4 3 7 33 2018-19 32 Colorado Chris Bigras D 46 1 3 4 18 2017-18 33 Tampa Bay Adam Erne L 202 23 22 45 109 2020-21 34 Montreal Jacob De La Rose C 242 13 25 38 84 2020-21 35 Buffalo JT Compher C 253 48 53 101 88 2020-21 37 Los Angeles Valentin Zykov L 55 7 10 17 10 2019-20 38 Buffalo Connor Hurley C 39 Phoenix Laurent Dauphin C 35 3 1 4 18 2018-19 40 Dallas Remi Elie L 106 7 15 22 28 2018-19 41 Philadelphia Robert Hagg D 223 12 32 44 135 2020-21 42 New Jersey Steven Santini D 116 5 16 21 55 2019-20 43 Winnipeg Nicolas Petan C 136 6 22 28 38 2020-21 44 Pittsburgh Tristan Jarry G 87 0 5 5 8 2020-21 45 Anaheim Nick Sorensen R 5 0 1 1 2 2016-17 46 Minnesota Gustav Olofsson D 59 0 11 11 18 2019-20 50 Columbus Dillon Heatherington D 11 0 2 2 26 2018-19 51 Chicago Carl Dahlstrom D 64 0 10 10 12 2019-20 52 Buffalo Justin Bailey R 68 5 4 9 12 2020-21 53 Washington Madison Bowey D 156 5 35 40 104 2020-21 55 Montreal Artturi Lehkonen L 317 57 57 114 88 2020-21 57 St. Louis William Carrier L 236 24 23 47 116 2020-21 58 Detroit Tyler Bertuzzi L 208 54 72 126 119 2020-21 59 Winnipeg Eric Comrie G 9 0 0 0 0 2020-21 61 Washington Zach Sanford L 193 36 35 71 82 2020-21 —————————————————————————— 2014 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 31 Buffalo Brendan Lemieux L 162 21 22 43 299 2020-21 32 Florida Jayce Hawryluk C 80 11 13 24 34 2020-21 33 St. Louis Ivan Barbashev C 252 39 44 83 50 2020-21 36 Vancouver Thatcher Demko G 62 0 1 1 0 2020-21 37 Carolina Alex Nedeljkovic G 20 0 0 0 4 2020-21 38 Anaheim Marcus Pettersson D 204 6 49 55 121 2020-21 39 Washington Vitek Vanecek G 26 0 0 0 0 2020-21 40 Ottawa Andreas Englund D 33 0 3 3 24 2019-20 41 New Jersey Joshua Jacobs D 3 0 0 0 2 2019-20 42 Nashville Vladislav Kamenev C 66 3 10 13 20 2019-20 43 Arizona Ryan MacInnis C 16 0 1 1 0 2020-21 44 Buffalo Eric Cornel R 48 Philadelphia Nicolas Aube-Kubel R 80 9 14 23 53 2020-21 49 Buffalo Vaclav Karabacek R 50 Los Angeles Roland McKeown D 10 0 3 3 19 2017-18 52 St. Louis Maxim Letunov F 3 1 0 1 0 2019-20 55 Anaheim Brandon Montour D 278 28 75 103 162 2020-21 56 Boston Ryan Donato C 167 35 40 75 30 2020-21 58 Arizona Christian Dvorak C 285 62 75 137 70 2020-21 59 NY Rangers Brandon Halverson G 1 0 0 0 0 2017-18 —————————————————————————— 2015 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 32 Arizona Christian Fischer R 248 35 30 65 59 2020-21 33 Tampa Bay Mitchell Stephens C 42 3 4 7 10 2020-21 34 Toronto Travis Dermott D 192 11 34 45 84 2020-21 35 Carolina Sebastian Aho C 347 136 160 296 116 2020-21 37 Boston Brandon Carlo D 320 14 40 54 194 2020-21 39 Colorado A.J. Greer L 37 1 5 6 47 2018-19 40 Colorado Nicolas Meloche D 5 0 1 1 0 2020-21 42 New Jersey Mackenzie Blackwood G 92 0 1 1 0 2020-21 43 Los Angeles Erik Cernak D 154 11 27 38 140 2020-21 45 Boston Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson C 29 3 6 9 2 2018-19 46 Pittsburgh Daniel Sprong R 124 26 16 42 14 2020-21 47 Winnipeg Jansen Harkins C 41 2 5 7 9 2020-21 48 Ottawa Filip Chlapik C 57 5 6 11 18 2020-21 49 Dallas Roope Hintz L 143 39 40 79 44 2020-21 50 Minnesota Jordan Greenway L 191 25 51 76 123 2020-21 51 Buffalo Brendan Guhle D 59 4 10 14 24 2019-20 52 Boston Jeremy Lauzon D 56 2 4 6 60 2020-21 53 Calgary Rasmus Andersson D 200 10 47 57 110 2020-21 55 Nashville Yakov Trenin C 49 4 8 12 19 2020-21 56 St. Louis Vince Dunn D 260 31 63 94 104 2020-21 57 Washington Jonas Siegenthaler D 97 2 11 13 55 2020-21 58 Columbus Kevin Stenlund C 62 11 9 20 18 2020-21 60 Calgary Oliver Kylington D 93 5 11 16 26 2020-21 —————————————————————————— 2016 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 31 Toronto Egor Korshkov L 1 1 0 1 0 2019-20 32 Edmonton Tyler Benson L 7 0 1 1 0 2019-20 33 Buffalo Rasmus Asplund C 38 4 2 6 6 2020-21 34 Columbus Andrew Peeke D 28 1 4 5 4 2020-21 35 St. Louis Jordan Kyrou C 82 15 21 36 24 2020-21 37 Tampa Bay Libor Hajek D 60 2 6 8 26 2020-21 39 Chicago Alex DeBrincat L 269 106 103 209 44 2020-21 41 New Jersey Nathan Bastian R 34 5 4 9 23 2020-21 43 Carolina Janne Kuokkanen L 43 5 11 16 18 2020-21 46 Detroit Givani Smith R 33 3 4 7 30 2020-21 47 Nashville Samuel Girard D 261 17 97 114 43 2020-21 48 Philadelphia Carter Hart G 97 0 0 0 2 2020-21 49 Boston Ryan Lindgren D 102 1 25 26 82 2020-21 51 Los Angeles Kale Clague D 17 0 4 4 6 2020-21 53 Detroit Filip Hronek D 151 16 60 76 88 2020-21 55 Pittsburgh Filip Gustavsson G 4 0 0 0 0 2020-21 56 Calgary Dillon Dube C 105 14 23 37 22 2020-21 57 Toronto Carl Grundstrom R 61 9 8 17 26 2020-21 60 San Jose Dylan Gambrell C 94 8 12 20 25 2020-21 ————————————————————————— 2017 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 32 Colorado Conor Timmins D 19 0 0 0 6 2020-21 34 Vegas Nicolas Hague D 71 6 19 25 52 2020-21 36 New Jersey Jesper Boqvist C 45 4 2 6 10 2020-21 37 Buffalo Marcus Davidsson C 38 Detroit Gustav Lindstrom D 16 0 1 1 14 2019-20 39 Dallas Jason Robertson L 34 8 17 25 8 2020-21 40 Florida Aleksi Heponiemi C 3 1 0 1 2 2020-21 41 Los Angeles Jaret Anderson-Dolan C 25 4 5 9 6 2020-21 42 Carolina Eetu Luostarinen C 46 3 6 9 12 2020-21 45 Columbus Alexandre Texier C 74 11 15 26 24 2020-21 47 Ottawa Alex Formenton L 15 3 0 3 6 2020-21 48 Tampa Bay Alexander Volkov R 30 4 3 7 10 2020-21 49 San Jose Mario Ferraro D 98 3 21 24 42 2020-21 50 Anaheim Maxime Comtois L 77 17 23 40 51 2020-21 53 Boston Jack Studnicka C 21 1 3 4 2 2020-21 54 Buffalo Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen G 57 Chicago Ian Mitchell D 32 2 2 4 10 2020-21 —————————————————————— 2018 Draft Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season 32 Buffalo Mattias Samuelsson D 38 Montreal Alexander Romanov D 34 1 4 5 12 2020-21 46 Washington Martin Fehervary D 6 0 1 1 6 2019-20 53 Pittsburgh Calen Addison D 3 0 0 0 0 2020-21 60 Winnipeg David Gustafsson C 26 1 0 1 0 2020-21 Not surprised to see so many poor picks by all teams throughout this ten year period.... And a handful of gems that developed well too!

Ullmark will demand and get around 5 mil. per from someone. Will it be the Sabres? I also think he’ll push for more than a 3 year deal. More like 4 - 5 years. As long as the other goalie is as good or better than Ullmark, I couldn’t care less what the name on the back is. And as long as the contract isn’t stupid expensive.

Every loss ... Beck - Loser

I think whenever any Sabres score or if they ever win a game… Talking heads ... once in a lifetime or something with the chorus… “It’s a miracle”.

I think it’s just throwing the kid a bone to see if he can make the most of it. I’ll expect very little from him if he plays. Well, the only expectation would be to not look too out of place and to not drag his line down. We have enough underperforming veterans dragging down lines. We don’t need any help in that area 😂 Low expectations. No disappointments.😬

And then the logical, reality based answer to KO next season is ... ?

Straw grasping .... obvious is obvious

It also points to how impatient some (not all) fans are with development. I think sometimes they get caught up in ... “well you were a first round pick, so you should be able to step right in and contribute at the start of the following season”. And then hate on the player, when those elevated and unrealistic expectations aren’t met. That broad brush of expectation rarely works. Is it really taking him longer to develop into an decent NHL player than the players in his draft year who were selected right around him? 2017 draft How is Cody Glass doing (6th pick)? How is Lias Andersson doing (7th pick)? How is Michael Rasmussen doing (9th pick)? How is Owen Tippett doing (10th pick)? I’m glad to see things seem to be clicking better for Casey. Hope he takes another small step in the coming months.

You misunderstood. It’s not me. Hey if you don’t have the answer, it’s cool. I was just asking in general terms. Again, I’ve read conflicting data. Probably the wrong place to ask that. In a hockey forum with a COVID thread 😂.

What about those that get the 1st Pfizer shot. But don’t go back for the second one? Ive read conflicting info on that scenario.

I need to see more. Not 100% convinced he’s “arrived” long term yet. But in the very very short time span, he’s looking better overall. Keep it up Mitts!

I think a bunch of Hockey fans do this exact thing with Dmen who “get physical”. Overrate their true value. Especially considering the way the NHL is today vs. the 70’s, 80’s, and early 90’s.