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That’s what we called Bill Hajt. I guess they are both tall, lean, gawky. Hajt didn’t score a lot of points. He gave up even less. His +/- was insanely high. Pre-fancy stat era, he was solid back there.

Sabres and Kings pretty even so far at 11 minute mark. UPL with 2 big saves early.

Good evening Teammates, Kings are a good team. It will take a great effort tonight playing with 12 and 72 out. MUSCLE WEIGHT

I think Lindy exercised great tolerance.

Were are your Naamite Batteries?

Me too. What's funny though is that I thought we just converged on common ground. Cheers!

I have read that here. I don't know much about him but he seemed to be running a good scouting department, our drafts seem to be pretty good.

I like JJP back on line 1. Not sure about Lafferty on line 2. Prefer Quinn in hopes he gets going. Kulich at C and playing with Quinn is risky. Maybe Lindy sees something or maybe it is all he has? Glad to see Joker back and hoping he wakes up. Bryson with Cliffy has been decent on the past. UPL is the key to getting points in this game.

The Away White is their best jersey ever, and will match the team. Maybe you can fill in for Greenway? We really missed him against the heavy game of Philly and we need him tonight too.

Yes. The same criteria applies. The Bills and Bandits are successful, and the owner must be given credit for running the program and hiring good people, and providing the resources, and maintaining a high level for several years running. He just has not got there in the NHL. Why he hasn't been successful is the debate. It is not because he is a bad person, or not smart, or whatever else you read here. A lot of people say he meddles - I join you in the "I'm not there to see it camp" on this topic, so you don't see me posting that he meddles. All of his GMs are first timers and taking on stretch assignments. Maybe this is a reason? He does not spend to cap. Maybe this is another reason?

The outcomes are assigned to Terry because he is the boss. It's not complicated, he is the owner and he is responsible for the performance and outcomes of his business. He sets the vision, the direction, and the parameters for which the business is run. He did that as recently as 2020 when he gave us his EEE speech. If is chooses to step aside and assign any of that to someone else, he is still ultimately responsible for the results that that person brings. Ownership comes with that responsibility. I do like contrarian inputs and I value them, which is why I asked how you would rate the owner - the very subject of the thread. Your response is clear. You have no opinion because you have no personal insight into the day to day decisions that are made, and you will not hold Terry accountable for the measurable outputs of the team. I see plenty of measurable outputs to evaluate, which include ~14 years of wins, losses, playoff appearances, attendance, profits, player movement/acquisitions, and my personal game day experience when I go to the arena. Not to mention the less measurable but equally important team reputation and its perceived culture. Provide a contrarian view if that is your intent. But it seems that your intent is to tell us that we don't know the inside details, so we don't know anything, so we can't blame Terry. I gave you two very big positives as well. I appreciate that he kept the team in Buffalo, and I really like the Harbor Center. Someday the law of averages with prevail and they will win again. When that happens he will get bouquets and accolades, deserved or not, and that also goes with being the owner.

I guess they can move Adams to another role. They just promoted Jerry Forton to Assistant GM. Jason Karmanos is already Associate GM and he runs Rochester, so maybe they promote him to GM? He has more hockey operations experience than Adams had when he got the GM job. It fits in with Terry hiring someone that he knows and trusts.

I think we also saw a big void left by Greenway against Philly. We will be missing our best offensive forward and our best defensive forward tonight. I think its time to bring Joker back for a spin too. ---- Monarch Whipping

My thoughts are that Adams job is completely safe right now, and on Thanksgiving, no matter what happens on this west coast trip. I think the owner respects him and he will finish the year. If there is a change it will be after the season.

Classic response. I provided lots more content, some compelling points to consider, including a few positives, but you cling to "the buck stops here". Tell me in what business, or in what organization, is the leader/owner not responsible for its performance? Look at your own posts for tropes and lots of excuses. Continue to ignore 13 years worth of measurable and undisputable performance.

When a young player makes a immediate good first impression and then stops progressing we tend to think that they were pushed too fast. Which may be true, our it could be the fact that they joined a poor team and they play to the level of the collective group. In the past guys like Mitts and Thompson were definitely rushed into the lineup, but they survived it. Recently we have seen both Muel and Quinn drop off, but both have had injuries that derailed them too. Levi and Benson are examples of very promising kids that got NHL games immediately upon arrival. They may have been better than the players we had but this is not how good teams operate. It shows a pretty low bar on the NHL roster. Good and established teams bring up players when they can beat out an NHL incumbent, and these younger players are in a better environment surrounded by veterans and they join a team that plays at a higher level. The Sabres have got to get back to that model of player development at some point. Their recent past model of draft, develop (very quickly), and field a young Core needs to end. The Sabres are in a loop that is keeping this team among the younger teams in the league by average age, and its been that way for how long now? Four or five years? The very young teams do not win.

The sentence in bold would be a problem. You don’t bring in a new GM to a team that hasn’t been in the playoffs for 13 years and tell him who his coach is. I suppose it could happen in Buffalo if they promote from within and just give the GM job to either Karmanos or Forton.

What Terry contributes is obvious as he is accountable for it all. His performance is one of the easiest to rate since the buck stops with him and he is the only constant in the organization since he took over Every other key leadership position in the organization have been replaced, some numerous times. How about his hires for GM? Business operations? COO? How about his decision to put his wife in charge? How about the fact that he designs the entire organizational structure and is responsible, at a minimum, for all the direct reports to him. How about he has final say on the payroll for his execs, for the players, for the staff? How about his self proclaimed plan to run the Sabres in an “efficient, effective, and economic“ manner? That strategy was put in place in 2020, discussed publicly, and has been going on for 5 years now? Any thoughts at all on how that is working out? How about the in game experience, the TV experience, the condition of the arena, the marketing and communications aspects of the team? You’re a season ticket holder, right? How is the overall product value to you? How about the Sabres record on the ice and in the box office? Obvious indicators that you want to ignore. How about the Sabres franchise and brand - the perception, reputation, and culture? We never established that most teams are just lucky hiring GMs. That’s an absurd generalization. Teams like Boston and Tampa have been competitive for decades. Washington is retooling right now without hitting the bottom and tanking. Many teams were down in the standings when we were, and have since risen up the standings. I seriously doubt that it’s all about luck. You don’t want to admit the obvious. His grade for Sabres Ownership is an F. It’s been nothing short of a massive failure so far. His positives are two things, and they are big things, he has not moved them and Harbor Center.

From what I can tell, it still looked like man coverage pre-snap.

Me too. I can thank the Buffalo Bills for that.

Ah HA! And Idemo came here right about the time you left. Idemo could be your alter ego?

So how do you rate the Sabres ownership?

So how do you rate the Sabres ownership?

Others have also said 3d line, with middle 6 ceiling. He could score high teens low 20s in his prime. Or, he may not ever reach that. Looking forward to seeing him if he plays.