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Make it a complete deal. In order for cap to work, 50% retention on Kane, Nilsson, Gionta,one of Bailey/Baptiste, Manny 2nd, Buf/Was 3rd and we take Ritchie, Vatanen, Montour and Bernier. Adds 2.3 mil to the cap. We have the space. Saw this on another post, it's a good fit. Numbers check out according to capfriendly and fills needs on both teams. Allows deals for Kulikov and Mason seperatly for each club (Kulikov obviously deadline but Mason can ride until pre-expansion draft). This gives both teams flexibility, fills needs and solves issues. Protect Risto, McCabe, Vatanen, expose Bogosain, Gorges. On forwards, protect ROR, Okposo, Carrier, Foligno, Girgensons, Larsson and Des racing Ennis and Moulson exposed, forcing Vegas to take one out of the 4 bad contracts. And to further this, they'd most likely take Bogo and swing back around with one of their free slots for Ennis. It is a great deal many moving parts, be the hero Tim, get it done! :D

Oh I don't know about 0 things. There is situational awareness to consider. Take Anaheim for example (and really, the prime example), they are in a real conundrum on several fronts. First, Fowler, Lindholm, Vatanen, Mason and Bieksa ( who must be protected) are 5 d-men that require protection. Bieksa, as noted, is a must. He's already stated he won't waive, last summer. So 2 LHD and 2 RHD. Something has to give or lose one for nothing and may have to actually pay so Vegas doesn't get to choose that something. I don't picture Ducks ownership or their GM as the type to give assets away when you can receive assets instead, do you? Second, there is Getzlaf, Perry and Kesler's window to contend to seriously consider for them. In May, Getzlaf and Perry turn 32, Kesler will be 33 at the start of next season. You can bet the Ducks are fully aware the window is on the back side. It's closing, 3 maybe 4 years? But this year and next look like all systems go for Cup runs. Third, needs! This can not be stressed enough. Anaheim has scoring woes on the wings. They need a top 6 scoring LW'er, a depth top nine utility 2 way winger that can net some pucks and a further RW ELC type at or near NHL level player for depth. Fourth, backup goaltending is shaky with Bernier at best. They'll need an upgrade that is also a UFA to allow them flexibility. I don't know, but the more i see Anaheim's situation, the more I see the Sabres as the right dance partner at the right time.

Those 92 to 94 Sabres teams were fast paced offensive teams for the too line at least. But Cup? With depth scoring more consistent and a better D and yea, they could have pushed.

I think it does, unless he's in a package.

Stone from Arizona to Calgary for a 3rd and conditional 5th. Meh, depth D for Calgary, but that price was in the ball park.

I hadn't thought mucus on ennis outside of Vegas. But I wonder if Tim can get something for him from a bubble team looking to try anything for a spark.

Honestly? I'd say 6. 2 D, 1 RHD 1 LED 2 snipers (because both Jack and Sam are primarily playmaker) 2 bottom 6 2-way forwards that can PK

5? Now that's what a Stanley Cup Contender looks like.

To bad we don't have that top end D talent to partner with Risto, or McCabe...... I wonder what will bring that in? Hmmmmmmmmm........ :P

I agree with everyone. Trade Kane :) By the way, pics of Tim Murray all over his phone this game....... Is Kane available Tim? Why yes, yes he is...... If he does get moved this deadline oh will this board explode faster than Clinton supporters on November 8th :D

Yes, Murray traded for Kane. He also tried to move him this past summer...... Is your point was again?

Posted 09 February 2017 - 10:00 I concur, and I believe Ennis will be the one they select given length and cost of contract combined with skill set and the flexibility Ennis had shown to play either wing Posted this on Feb. 9th over in the 3 weeks until TDL thread. Furthermore, if Buffalo doesn't protect Bogosain, he'll be gone. Gorges is a real possibility if not Bogo. I think people are under estimating the Vegas cap situation and the window with which to view a reasonable stabilization time frame.

I would like to ask you something...... Are you the same JJ from Sabres Junkie?

And which source would that be? The pre-season reports of Kane being shopped by reputable sources or Marty stating what he did?

And you see, I don't believe that......you were expressing your opinion that is.... I kid, I kid. But I don't believe he is the heart and soul or a part of it. If you take a look at what were witnessing with the youth injection you quickly come to realize speed kills. And while Kane is quick, big and can finish, more of that is on the horizon from other players. I don't mention Jane's off ice issues because they are irrelevant to me. He is the most valued piece available to improve the "team". Note I said the "team". Kane's individualism had been on display most of his professional career. Let's also look at what Marty Biron stated this past week on the instigators, where he is under the impression Kane is not a part of the Sabres long term plans. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Speaking about Kane being traded is a natural progression to what is unfolding as the season moves along. He may not be moved this dead line, but I suspect his value is at its peak now. Not only that, but I most certainly don't believe he'll be a Sabre past next season, if not sooner. So looking at value and need are healthy discussions.

Don't puss off the giant swede...lol We need a video snippet of the swede from heartbreak ridge :)

So......shut the thread down then? What if I stand in defiance of this, this obstruction of free trade speech...... #NOTMYKANE! :P

Yea, I caught that aviut Maatta. Here is the only D in LA's system that looks feasible? I guess? ALEX LINTUNIEMI Another Finn (maybe Risto misses home, hard to say). He's a big frame that's for sure but the scouting report I read on him didn't stand out. It may he a year old for all I know though. In any case, nothing outside of Fowler really stands out at me for Kane.

LOL Well to be fair, talking trade Kane in the Trade Kane thread has become polarizing for this board. Some want to keep the scoring, can't blame them. Some want to asset exchange to address more pressing area's, can't blame them either. There was an interesting debate elsewhere on a deal with the Ducks, but if Pittsburg is to be our dance partner as it appears they are trying to be, I don't trade them Kane for anything they are willing to give up. In short, Kane is worth more than just Maatta, Risto and the Finnish connection or not. I'd want Sprong in the deal as well. And he's another RW'er. Fowler, that is my ideal target. Or conversely Montour or Theodore along with Ritchie for Kane and Kulikov. But, cap makes it impossible. The only one that has me scratching my chin is LA. Lombardi and company came and had a look. We were looking at there AHL team. I've looked over their rosters, thoughts?

Some teams are top 4 D heavy but lack in scoring Some teams are heavy scoring but lack top 4 D Some teams lack both A select few have just the right balance Where do you believe the Sabres fall in these categories?

How old is he now? 38? 39? He should be close to hanging them up, no?

I know. I was reading the boards for a bit before joining. I don't believe my response to eleven was alluding to that however. The thread title is "keep or trade Evander Kane". I'm in the trade him only if it returns the "right" asset(s) corner.

Are we? Working on cold fusion that is. And so if Kane wasn't the leading goal scorer then we could broach the trade subject? Appears to be a definitive line in the sand by that standard. What if Okposo gets a hat trick tomorrow, would that be the threshold that opens the proverbial flood hates to a "possibly trading kane to upgrade the D" conversation?

I'm looking at the defensive weakness from the stats posted, the current team record, how they ended up with some pivotal losses on that record and the seasonal individual performances/play of defensemen during the totality of the current record.

Agree. Except wasn't it recently reported Gio is staying......