Broken Ankles

Quinn is a first line winger. Not a second, and certainly not a third.

And yet regularly, people project JJP, Skinner and even more so Benson as the starting FL#1 wing over this guy. News flash. Even if the Sabres pull off a trade of this magnitude, Quinn still plays the opposite wing on the first line.

I’m like the idea of three new faces. Especially grizzled veterans. But you need some term. Can’t be all expiring UFA. I mentioned up thread about Hronek last year getting moved for essentially the 11th. That was a #2-3 D with one year plus he is an RFA with arbitration rights. So likely to sign an extension making it worth a high first rounder. Like the pedigree of Larsson but the UFA thing makes me think they walk in July.

Jeannot is not the key move to free cap for Stamkos. They have ~ $5m is projected cap space. Jeannot is $2.6m. Stamkos will surely sign for more $7.6M. Even with a hometown discount. Unless Tampa offered crazy term to artificially lower the AAV. I think the signing of McDonough signals that they are moving on from Stamkos. Unless some unforeseen move (Hedman) frees up a large amount of cap. As to your trade value for Jeannot, you are way off. While it’s no longer what they paid, it certainly hasn’t plummeted to a third. Somewhere in between. Maybe a late first, prospect and roster player on a low AAV. Or a mid first and a player. Every time I review the comments from Cap friendly on your trade offers they are littered with “decline”. Think about that for a second. @LGR4GM comes in with a proposal and you dismiss it. He’s offering a realistic view of what it will take to enhance the roster. Which I happen to think is spot on. If they can execute without moving JJP, Quinn or Savoie, have at it!

@Taro T And Cole Sillinger for Columbus. We had better hope that Benson sees an O’Reilly like progression, as Sillinger had the same points this year as his first as an 18 year old. https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/sillico01.html

Interesting that everyone views Cirelli as a #3C. He played most of the year as 2C with Stamkos and Hagel. Also had some time (5% of even strength) with Kuch and Hagel. I suppose Cozens draft position and total points last year places him higher in the food chain. Maybe a guy like Cirelli gives Ruff flexibility to be a true middle six guy. Play 3C most of time but 25% on second with Cozens moving to the RW. Questions Who costs more in a trade, Cirelli or Necas? Who would you rather have? What is the most you offer to obtain Cirelli in a trade? (Especially bc you see the Sabres having to offer more within the division)

Just like the thought that Necas is odd man out in Carolina (I would think he is not bc still an RFA and easier to retain vs the overwhelming number of UFA’s Brett Peche might get some desperate team to overpay and therefore not even an option in Carolina), I would hope that If Buffalo was forced into a decision of retaining RFA or UFA, the RFA’s like JJP and Quinn would be the easier decisions to keep. Not 100% apples to apples for me to use Quinn (or JJP) b/c we have an opportunity to bridge both like Necas was for two years with a modest increase. But let’s push the scenario two years down the road, where JJP or Quinn are coming off a bridge deal looking for in excess of $8m each. Both are top 6 players (like Necas) and you need to decide on one. Would not expect at least a top 15 first round pick and another top level asset or two for either? Sam got you a low mid 1st and Prospect and he was a year older, or was on a second Bridge deal.

What’s the difference? Liljegren is a young RFA Defenseman who is a former first rounder slotted as 4-5. The net difference between 11 and 28 is about 700 points in the NHL trade value chart, or what the Leafs first round selection represents in and of itself. That’s equivalent to your offer. And the value of Necas to Quinn is similar. The offer is too low. I saw a proposal with the Wild for Rossi, Spurgean, plus to get Necas. The Hurricanes have $27m in cap space so they aren’t hamstrung like other clubs might be. It’s #11, Joki , plus something. Not intending to be rude, just provided a different angle of an offer for perspective.

Would you trade Jack Quinn for Timothy Liljegren and the Leafs late first round ?

This would be a nice start to Free Agency.

Dahlin is an all-star but was like -18 before the New Year and things began to click. His lack of consistency (great one evening and lack luster the next) contributed to the slow start. Lots of broken sticks over crossbars that I recall. We can disagree on that. The larger point - do you think Wilford is developing the D properly? Byrum + Owen Powers new deal + Joki (if they retain his services) = a huge jump in payroll, and expectations. The only blue line more expensive might be in Colorado, and doubtful they will be as good.

+1 on this take. I’ll add, Dahlin and Samuelson regressed. Individually as well as a pair. Clifton played his offside for a good 2+ months before any changes were implemented. And the recommendation to move back didn’t come from Wilford. Lastly, the payroll of the Blueline went up 78%. Not just UFAs that were mid range signings replacing bottom feeders like Stillman and Clague, but new contracts for Dahls and Mule. Expectations were higher. Don’t forget The Firm. Great Flick. @GASabresIUFAN beating Coach Wilford with his briefcase after the Sabres start the 2024 Season 0-8.

How is this not a penalty? https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/40134287

They are playing the Hollywood Bowl in September. I had the chance to buy presale to the public but held out and may buy on secondary market if it makes sense. LMK your thoughts on the show.

The Vancouver Canucks traded the first rounder they received from the NYI (#17) for Hronek. Questioned by many. Hronek was second in ATOI and proved a stabilizing force on the blue line. I can see a scenario where the Sabres look to trade a blue liner (Mule, Joki) for a #3C and replace with a top 4 right handed D with this years first.

28%? What is the math on this? 5 players right? Divided by 20.

She has been behind the bench a number of times. Especially in the playoffs. A true Dallas STAR.

Just finished the Leafs / Bruins game. Loving how this series is playing out. If Toronto wins, it’s an epic meltdown for the Bruins….again, for my least favorite sports fans. Would love to see that. If Boston wins, the Leaf fans will have their hearts ripped out of their chests. Much more painful than losing 4-1. And then Boston gets smoked in round two. Win-win.

Agreed. Perfect amount of grit with some skill as well. Did his value drop after this season? Not even close to the season he had in Nashville. I just looked up what Tampa payed - Foote, 1st , 2nd, 3rd and a 4th. Tampas drafting at the bottom but that is a high price. He’s a UFA after next year so somewhat less. Curious what the ask would be this summer.

Out of the fires of desperation burn hope and solidarity.

Exactly. None of these are options. Never was. The Cap figures on all, coupled with Beanes comments in the presser last night (he does not want to part with his second round pick today) confirms it. He said they have way more 2nd round evaluations than first. So his goal was alwasy to get 3 picks in the top 90. And he has his wish. Dont watch enough college football to know if De Jean is any good, but if the scouting staff has him with an early 2nd round grade and it's a postion of need, cest la vie. Make the pick.

Can’t believe @Pimlach didn’t take umbrage to this comment. “Keep my Avatars name, out your mouth”.