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We won't be picking him at #8 I'm pretty sure of that so let me ask you, if he's still available at say 12-15 or so what would you trade for that pick? We don't have a lot of spare parts that people would offer first round picks for. Pretty big exception to the rule. His brother, also small, had good junior numbers too.

True. Something dystopian like The Handmaid's Tale doesn't see all that distant or impossible any more. You know, I'm an outside observer (Canadian) but I told people 4 years ago he will win and not many up here believed me. Over these 4 years it's gotten much worse than even I thought it would. So extreme that I simply don't get America any more. I once had an idea to visit every single state in my lifetime and I've lost that desire. Too many places down there are just batshit crazy, or at least filled with people who have just lost it. I mean all politicians lie, all say one thing and often do another or just a slight version of what they promised but this narcissistic egomaniac lies and then lies and doubles down on the lie and moves to the next lie before anyone even gets the full info on the earlier lie and on and on it goes and meanwhile few people notice all the systematic rape and pillage of the environment, social structure and so on. It's just total madness and I just hope it can all go away.. Four more years could be something impossible to come back from. Please vote for Biden. He's a boring old middle of the road dude but even status quo normalcy would be really nice now.

we don't really disagree on this at all. Battlers, heart, tenacity, whatever you want to call it I absolutely want more of it. and I like that movie a lot too. Pretty funny. watch out for those bees though lol.

Oh no no no. I think if you look around I rave about Cozens. great pick. I thought he wasn't really the typical JBot type player and I was glad for that. I'm just saying at the draft I suggested Dach if he fell to us as the pick. Like I'm saying about Sanderson now. I'm not sure if Cozens will be better than Dach though. Dach is looking pretty good right now.

You're probably right, I do want more size and it does matter to me. lol, I was hoping Dach would fall to us for that very reason. If I was a scout I probably would miss out on a few smaller guys but my teams would be big and tougher to play against in the playoffs. You're also right, it can be an easy task to build strength for young players, now can you pass that info on to Tage? ? By late first round I meant anywhere bottom third, depends on who else falls and what those teams want. I would not trade up for him unless it was just giving them Vlad or something inconsequential. I think as a team we need to get bigger.

I think it's not a unity in that way. There's money involved and owners and league officials and various players don't all share the same view. But when you hear (for example) that Vancouver Canuck players were calling up Ryan Reaves (a guy they're basically at war with on the ice) and asking him for his opinion on what to do that night it tells you that there's more than just shame and optics in this for some at least.

Oh come on it's all nonsense. People around here are grown ups (mostly) and internet exits like that are always fake attempts to grandstand and make their point. They leave in a huff, they come back later or come back as a new identity, "leaving" is just the way people try to punctuate their own views with exclamation points. It's all bs.

Maybe. A little small though. He could turn into a Briere or Fleury type player but only if he gets stronger. I suspect he goes late first round.

While I understand your separation concerns, and you and I definitely don't agree on things as you know, the world is an interconnected place and these things don't exist in vacuums. When Kelly Hrudey, Ron Maclean and various sports/hockey guys are on the tv giving "political" comments on sports broadcasts, and the players themselves are making "political" statements it seems to me that keeping fans (us) from making anything even remotely political at this moment is wrong, or at least unnecessary. The so called political discussions will pass and the allegedly offended will return - we all know that - but the optics of shutting it down or out of Sabrespace does come across like a form of social control over an issue you (or whoever shuts it down) simply doesn't like or wants kept quiet. I'm not being "political" here . just saying removing the discussion LOOKS bad much like what a lot of media people said about the NHL's slow response. It is bad optics. and there's no hockey to discuss..............

So all this got moved? I guess that in and of itself makes a statement. Can't have that real world political talk mixing with our beloved sports can we. I guess that's "law and order" in Sabrespace lol. The optics are awful and it's all endemic. It's even in the language. Black guys with guns downtown is a gang. White guys is a militia. Tougher looking black guys on a corner are "thugs." Tougher looking white guys on a corner are "good 'ol boys." and on and on it goes. The biggest piece of bs for me is all the right wing talk about cops being "the best of us" and "America's finest." What a joke. Anybody know any best and brightest who became cops? I imagine there's a few outliers but overall I remember the guys from my high school who became cops and they were far from the "best."

Since nfreeman always mutes me and threatens to ban me for even the slightest political type comment in any thread are all of you going to be warned and muted now? Just wondering. Or is there a double standard. Oh wait, double standards, isn't that what you're all talking about. the black guy who MIGHT have been reaching for a weapon was shot in the back 7 times, the white guy (Rittenhouse) who DID SHOOT people was taken into custody. Funny how that was handled differently. This stuff is so pervasive and so obvious I really don't know how anyone can still question the obvious. As for athletes making political statements, good for them. Part of a democracy is people speaking out and fighting injustices, everyone, athletes included.Cancel all and every sport if it helps bring about change.

Lafreniere, Byfield (who might be the better player not sure), Sanderson, Stuetzle, Rossi. I'd have Drysdale in there if he was a little bigger. Raymond, Holtz and Perfetti (sounds like a law firm lol) are all about equal to me and I suspect we get one of them. Should be a decent player but probably not for a few years. If it was Drysdale left at 8 I'd probably take one of the forwards left instead. Sanderson imo will develop into a complete big minutes D man. Shutdown potential most of our guys don't have. Players like that make your goalies look good and let your forwards think offense. But hey, I could be wrong. With these kids you never really know.

imo Sanderson is the third best player available in this draft. Not drafting him will be akin to taking Nylander and not McAvoy. Now the forward we take might be better than Nylander, but Dahlin, Jokiharju, Sanderson, all young we would have the envy of the league D core in a few years. Draft him and trade the other D men we have now for that 2C etc.

Isn't this really simpler? The NHL (mostly white and not American) they didn't even realize the NBA players (mostly black and American) were doing this outside of Wisconsin until pretty much game time and only after they saw how widespread it was they then decided we better get on this too. I don't really think there's any motives or agendas or anything other than it being an issue less immediate to most of the NHL players. Not to say they're not sympathetic or don't want justice etc. but like myself, an old white Canadian don't really feel or experience this every day and thus pretty much need people more directly affected to take the lead. It'll be kind of weird if the NBA is back playing while the NHL isn't. That might feel a little off. Personally don't think it makes any real difference if it's just a day or two of protest. Won't change a thing unless they all stay out and won't play until something is done.

These are the bobble heads that were supposed to be GIVEN AWAY right? Selling them, even cheap, seems cheesy. Should have been given away with some sort of other promotion or proceeds to Buffalo food banks or something like that.

Absolutely. No question they've paired him with a pretty darn good player and there are guys covering for him when he gets caught out of position. But that isn't totally because they are a better team, just that they play like a team. All the good teams do this and that's a big part of why they are good teams. D man moves up the ice a forward drops back etc. It's a team thing and an adherence to the system they use. All too often over the years we play like individuals and players either stand around watching and waiting or they all chase the puck to the same spot. As for the motivation, sure, there's a good chance at a cup on the line and a new start for him it's like a lottery win for him regardless. But we as an organization treated him like crap. You treat your veterans like crap and they won't be motivated to do a damn thing for you. JBot should have traded some of our surplus D men last year. It was a ridiculous situation he created. If he couldn't get anything for Bogo he should have traded someone else and let Bogo play the season out. Bogo paired with Dahlin was definitely not our worst D pairing. But he just shipped him off to the glue factory and we showed yet again that Buffalo is not a place hockey players look to come to. It was one of many disasters that define the current state of this franchise.

Funny how now Kucherov's the good guy for you. Lol I guess you've forgotten that little game in Sweden we had....................... Boston's not intimidated, they just don't have the goaltending they had last year. Halak is Halak (inconsistent) and that other guy was dreadful. Tampa will win it all. It actually is starting to seem obvious and anti climactic.

He's been pretty good. Makes you wonder right?

Being a one top line hockey team really doesn't work in today's NHL (probably never did really) and although Eichel at times can dominate any game our top line rarely did. Obviously what we really need is a true 2C and then you build two top lines. We are not a deep team so you trade a RW you're short there, you trade a LW you're short there and so on. There's not a lot of quality extra to go around so you have two options as I see it. 1) you continue to believe we have a lot of young talent that just needs to develop and fit together and you tweak inconsequential bits and pieces and stick with the "core." This will probably be what they do, and it's worked oh so well so far hasn't it? 2) you sign the best free agents you can at any position to make the team different AND better and then you deal the surplus from any position that you end up with too many bodies. So you can sign anybody. Even a guy like Krug. We'd have too many D men yes, but UNLIKE JBOT you don't hold those bodies all season you move them before the season starts. So you sign a D man you move on that Risto and/or Montour trade or whoever (except Dahlin and Jokiharju). It takes some juggling and bold action, but status quo will mean yet another year of waiting and disappointment and eventually Jack asking to go. So yes, trade Reinhart rather than overpay him, but bring something good back in the trade and sign replacement(s).

Possibly, but remember that's the Toronto microscope. Always get more juicy rumors and tidbits out of that place. Toronto media obsession with the leafs. I agree, I think Kapanen will do well there over the season and he will look like a legit 2nd liner but it's not enough to take them back to the cup. Nowhere near.

Depends on the details but if the picks are good ones and the roster player is something we need like a solid face off guy, or a superb penalty killer or two yes I would. If the 3/4 liner is a guy as good as say Coyle in Boston, definitely. Since Hall is just $ you'd be making a trade that goes Reinhart in exchange for Hall, picks/prospects, 3rd liner and that seems like an ok deal to me and we'd be a better team. You disagree?

They obviously thought Kapanen is better but I guess we will see after next year's play (assuming there is a season). There was some sort of rumor about Kahun falling into disfavor with the coach, not doing what he was told or something. You never know the truth of those things but if it was a real thing it could have factored in to their decision. Look at Carolina being better without Skinner (and not getting much for him). Sometimes removing pieces that don't "fit" is important to your culture. Sabres don't really have a culture - aside from losing lately - so we take anybody and hope but we will see what type of player Kahun really is over the season. I'm unsure. I don't think this will happen, but if they win another cup with Kapanen's help, nobody there will give a damn about Hallender's future career or remember the name of Kahun at all.

I'm generally viewed as a Reinhart hater but that's pretty much my view. The current so called core hasn't worked, doesn't work and likely will never work so changing it can't be any worse and just might change us for the better. Overpaying Reinhart would be disastrous. We get better if we sign some FAs, move out pieces where we have extras, change the basic dynamic of the team. Of course though it depends on what you get back and if all the GMs out there think his point totals are inflated by playing with Jack it won't be a good deal for us either so it's catch 22, lose either way. Certainly don't want to just dump him like the ROR deal unless of course we sign a big name like Taylor Hall instead.

Sure price matters that's a given and I will admit I don't know much about the prospects on either side of this. 2 guys on each side who I suppose will determine the long term winner of this deal. People seem enamored with Hallander and his supposed grit is something the Leafs need so maybe he becomes their version of Hornqvist but Pitt obviously thought he doesn't really have enough of what they want and deemed him expendable. There's an older trade logic though that doesn't look at all the projections and prospects and just says which team got better now and that is Pittsburgh. The best player in the deal is the one you measure it by and that is Kapanen. If he clicks with Crosby or Malkin and gives them two top lines again they'll be happy for a couple years and thats what they wanted. By the "numbers". I guess we will see. From what I've seen with my eyes I'd rather have Kapanen but maybe I will change my mind after a whole season of Kahun. Nothing I saw so far though tells me he's anything more than a 3rd liner.

what exactly IS our approach? Aside from hiring inexperienced GMs, signing the wrong free agents, making bad trades, drafting poorly and rushing prospects into the line up? oh right, also treating the alumni poorly. Did I miss anything?