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In Power’s 8 games this year, he averaged just over 22 minutes of ice time a game. I really don’t think there’s much chance of him playing 3rd pairing minutes

However, the cap relief provided by LTIRing Bishop would not accrue for staying unused for later in the season, the cap space created by putting him on LtIr is for the present only.

Whelp, I was hoping for a bit more, but considering that cap space was almost certainly going unused anyways, I guess this move is a slight net positive?

Adding a player and putting him on LTIR does not help cap-strapped teams. They would be adding his 4.9 mil cap, then getting 4.9 in relief which would result in no change. The only time putting a player on LTIR helps you with cap space is if they are already on your team, then are put on, freeing up their cap space. Additionally, when you are using LTIR cap relief, excess cap space does not accrue for later in the season.

You would probably have to take him at 28, which I would be quite alright with.

I’d be quite happy with a Campbell add, preferably 3 years or less. If we did sign Campbell, I’d also like them to go after someone in the neighborhood of Desmith to solidify the backup position as well. Another option could be trading for one of the Caps goaltenders to back up Campbell.

And if we were anywhere close to the cap, or if I thought we had a reasonable chance of being cap strapped, I’d agree, Hinostroza likely would be better value. Because we have so much cap room, the cap isn’t a limiting factor, and therefore productivity is more important than it usually would be when compared to the price of the productivity.

They are linked, but right now, our constrictions are both the number of skaters we can add (due to a mostly full roster) , and how willing KA is to add to the roster, the cost of the players likely isn’t much of a factor due to how much cap room we have. The cap this year specifically is nearly a non-factor, as we could add 3 10 million dollar players and still fit under the cap.

I wasn’t trying to say anything about a specific player’s intent to sign at a specific term. My intent was to discuss how I would value players, and how in this season and (to a lesser degree)next season, the production from the player is significantly more important than bang for buck.

I’d agree with this for contracts of 3+ years. However for a 1-2 year deal, with the situation the Sabres are in currently, I’d argue that’s not the case. We have more cap space than we will use, practically guranteed. For this year, and possibly next year, the amount of $ spent on a player is not nearly as important as the production. When we get closer to the cap, that is when bang for buck becomes more important. Right now though, since we have the most cap space in the league, and since we likely won’t reach the cap, what matters more is having the best players in the roster.

We had 14 forwards play 40+ games this year. One of those players, or multiple, will likely miss large stretches of the season. I’d rather we have Someone who belongs in a middle 6 to play in that case, than Bjork.

I don’t expect KA to target any non-goalies on that list, but I would definitely like to add one of Copp, Marchment, Burkakovsky, or Neiderreiter to give us someone who can play anywhere in the middle 6. I don’t expect us to be injury free this year (or any year), and would like 14 guys I’m comfortable with playing 40+ games. Right now we have 12. I think one of those adds could be a 4C (better Eakin), but would like one guy who can play up in the lineup, especially if JJP or Quinn prove to need more seasoning in the AHL.

Could be wrong, but I believe Jiriceck and Geekie were not there.

I think the Oilers take this one, but Avs win in 5.

Granato put him on a line with Skinner and Tage, and all 3 played better than they have in years, or had career years. Some of that comes to the line choices and coaching style of Granato. How much? We don’t know for sure, but it is utterly ridiculous to say that he was not a factor.

Pulling back that original post. You said veterans who were playing better were just Okposo and Skinner. I then said Tuch also is playing better and now you’re basically just saying he doesn’t count?

Okay, but this is why we’re having a discussion with him between picks 9 and 16, but not 2-4. Obviously Draisaital was still better than Geekie, but I’m saying if he fixes his skating, we could end up with a very good 2C out of him, with big size and skill. Not saying he’ll develop into a top 5 in the NHL player. Apologies if that’s what you got from my first post.

Yeah, not suprised I was wrong on Girgs. Vanek for 11-12?

Gonna go with ROR in 17-18 and 16-17, Eichel in 15-16, Girgs in 14-15. feel like it could have been Kane in one of those years though.

He has all the physical tools, except he needs to work on his skating a good amount. People said the same thing about Draisaital though, and he turned out to be a top 10 player In the league. I’m not sure I want him at 9, but what would be very happy with him at 16. Doubt he makes it there though.

I truly think KA was either thinking or hoping UPL would win the backup job out of camp, and Tokarski/Dell were his Hope/plan for Rochester.

Even if it was from a try-anything approach, no other coaches in the NHL decided to try Tage at center, so I think he does get some credit. Tuch is also a heart player, I don’t think he didn’t give it his all in Vegas, and that was on a better team, yet he had his best year yet this year. To not credit Granato at all is silly. when you say the only vets that did better under Granato are Okposo and Skinner, then are given more and reject them because they don’t fit with your theory, it doesn’t exactly look good. While Oloffson also being better isn’t backed up as much by stats, I think he played better under Granato as well (when not playing injured). If you were take out the 30 game stretch where he couldn’t shoot and therefore couldn’t score, he had 20 goals in 32 games.

Throw Tuch on that list as well, he had the highest PPG of his career. Girgs also had a higher points per game than he has had since the 2014-2015 season where he was playing 1st line. The only other forwards I would consider true vets in last years lineup were Hinostroza and Eakin, the former had a comparable year to his best ppg, and the other is well, Eakin.

Yeah, I was posting what I want to see, not what I think will necessarily happen. I think what likely happens is KA brings in a 4 C and re-signs Hinostroza or someone similar. While this isn’t far off from what I said, I think Hinostroza is firmly a 3rd liner, and I would want someone with a bit more upside, that can capably play 2nd line minutes in case of injury/kids struggling.

I agree with this big time. I definitely am in the Mitts breakout season camp, I think he will have in the neighborhood of 55 points next season. We had 14 forwards play 40 or more games this year, I want to have at least 14 forwards that I am comfortable with playing 40+ games for next year. Right now, we have Skinner, Tage, Tuch, Oloffson (assuming he re-signs), Mitts, Krebs, Cozens, Asplund, Girgs, Okposo firmly on that list, with JJP and Quinn also there (though there still is a chance they need more seasoning in the AHL). I would like to see a 4th line center brought in with solid face off numbers (I.e. a better Eakin), as well as a good middle 6er. If we get both of those, I will be more confident about our forward group, as we are one injury away from playing Bjork as it stands currently.