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You maybe right, but we'll never know because KA puts us in a no win situation. That said, an older and inferior player in Foligno went for a 1st and 4th.

Aren't you tired of bring in core player like Skinner, Hall, Kane, Bogo, Staal, Okposo, Montour, Miller, Hutton etc... Why don't we just let the kids play for once and see what they can do.

First of all I know exactly how NMCs work and they get waived all of the time to facilitate a trade, especially at the deadline to go to a winning team. In most situations a GM asks for list of teams the player will accept a deal to in order to create a market for that player. If the player provides the list, this list constitutes a waiver of the clause to those teams. What part of this simple procedure do you not understand. Personally I find it stupid that someone who follows the NHL for years doesn't know that players waive NMCs all the time to get deals done and that most of the time it is done through a list. Limited or partial NTC or NMC have the advantage of requiring players to make a list.

This sounds more like Lazar

@johnC Hall himself said his NMC got him to Boston. If doesn't matter how much the other offers were or where they were. KA gave Hall the right to refuse any deal both through the NMC and then not securing a waiver to a list of teams. Thus we did get fleeced and it's his own fault. We had the best player available at the deadline and got a below a real market value return. My guess is had KA secured a waiver to a list of teams, we'd have received at least a 1st for Hall.

What can I possibly say about that. Sure lets trade all the effective players. That will certainly make the team better.

You do realize all the players on my list are RFAs or under contract. All very well could be here next year. Asplund has 5 goals is 13 games ytd, Bjork has 5 pts in 30. He isn’t better then Asplund or R2.

Yes, I wasn't for the deal in the first place. I thought we needed help at RW as we already had two scoring LWs. So I wouldn't have signed Hall at all much less given him a NMC. We talked then about if the Sabres failed then we could move him at the deadline for value to re-coop the team's investment. The NMC made that impossible. Only if your a Cup contender and have a competent GM.

It's isn't better in the short-term, but it does set a precedent that we don't give our good assets away for nothing.

Given the size of our scouting staff and our drafting history, the 25% historically is drastically reduced making the pick virtually worthless.

Adams and the team come out like crap regardless of which ever course they took. I was just pointing out that they had some leverage on Hall. Not alot mind you, but some.

I'm not bouncing anywhere. I've said KA had no business being a GM in the first place and everything he has done has proven me correct. I said this was a trash trade last night and now the facts are coming in that verify it was a trash trade. We got fleeced. Why did we get fleeced because KA doesn't know what he is doing. 1) He gave Hall a full NMC 2) He failed to get a list from Hall to whom he'd accept a trade. The list is a waiver of the NMC to the teams on the list. Once a waiver is done, Hall doesn't keep a right to refuse a trade to the teams on the list. 3) He got other offers for Hall, but Hall wanted to go to Boston. KA had to accept this offer because he failed on steps 1 and 2. How exactly is that bouncing around?

What is a 2nd? a 25% chance of getting a player who'll play at least 100 games in his career. A career this is unlikely to start in the NHL for 2-3 years. Not exactly huge value. Sometimes a GM has to show some backbone and show he won't be taken advantage of by a player or another GM. Would we have crucified him for getting nothing for Hall. Probably, but he could say that Hall refused to go to anywhere from which I got a reasonable offer for his services. Y'all are missing the point. Hall wants to play and play for a winner. He should have been a partner for KA in this process to help himself and the team. Idealistic? Maybe, but instead Hall looked out for only himself which was his right. However, not play him destroys his FA value and that was KA's leverage on Hall. Work with me to get your best opportunity or don't play and have no FA value. This is especially true right now as the team is playing good hockey with Hall in pressbox.

Then he sits in the pressbox for the rest of the season while kids who give a crap about playing hard play. I wonder what the UFA market would be for a diminished sulky player who wasn't even good enough to play for the worst team in the NHL?

A twitter report mentioned above basically confirmed what Lawton said. KA got other offers for Hall, but Hall only would accept going to Boston. This is where KA failed in this process. He did it backwards. He got the offers first and then let Hall pick the destination. Instead he should have gotten a list of 3-5 places Hall would go and then taken the best offer from those places. If I had to guess, Boston 2nd was the minimum KA would accept to even bring an offer to Hall.

I agree

LOL, Boston still had to get a deal done. KA got a 3rd and 5th for Staal. No way even he'd would have accepted a 3rd for Hall. A 2nd was the absolute minimum to get a deal done.

Interested parties, I'm sure 6 or 8 teams kicked the tires, but if Hall only gave KA Boston to actually negotiate with then the calls from the other teams are sadly meaningless.

They all keep talking about some mythical auction for Hall's services. There wasn't one. As I just noted above, Lawton on the NHL Network said Ka got one team to negotiate with from Hall, instead of the 3-5 he should of to create a market/auction for his services. That one was Boston and therefore we got fleeced. Call it inexperience, call it incompetence, call it something else, but KA is not an NHL GM and should be gone as well.

"inexperience" is a very kind way of putting it.

Lawton on the NHL Network just explained why we got so little for Hall. He said KA, instead of getting 3-5 teams Hall would accept a trade to, got one, Boston. This allowed Hall complete control of the process and insured no market for his services. Lawton said KA should have said that I'm not going to trade you and IMHO left him in the pressbox. Hall would then have to decide if only giving the Sabres one option was worth it? KA shouldn't have given Hall a full NMC, but certainly should have got a list from Hall of 3-5 teams. More incompetence.

I'm ok with this. Get him re-signed.

Honestly, the best thing that KA can do for next year is next to nothing. He is incompetent at his job and therefore needs to be as little as possible and let the kids on the ice grow together. Off-season game plan 1) Re-sign Ullmark 2) get a backup 3) re-sign McCabe if he's interested. If not, not. 4) Get Berniers in the draft 5) Do whatever at HC. If you want Granato fine. At least he is showing some results and comes from a hockey family and Girardi is probably competent to coach the D. That's it. Now go let the kids plays. I posted a more sarcastic lineup last night, but the more I think about it why not it or something similar. Bringing in out side help like Hall, KO, Skinner, Staal, Berglund, Montour, Miller and Hutton hasn't helped. Lets just go with our kids and see what happens. At least we know they try hard. Forwards to Reinhart at 2C Skinner Eichel Cozens Olofsson Reinhart Thompson Asplund Mitts Quinn Girgensons Eakin Okposo Bjork Forwards with Reinhart back at Jack's wing Skinner Eichel Reinhart Asplund Mitts Thompson R2 Cozens Olofsson Girgensons Eakin KO Bjork Defense w McCabe McCabe Ristolainen Dahlin Jokiharju Bryson Borgen Miller Defense wo McCabe Dahlin Jokiharju Borgen Ristolainen Bryson Miller

He doesn’t play center. Lazar did however. We just downgraded center and added nothing at LW. Yeah. You go KA.

Yep, let's review Hall -Bust, Staal - Bust, Eakin - Bust, Irwin - Bust, Rieder and Sheahan - Meh! A track record to be proud of.