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How is the attendence this season @ home ?

Not to me and many others. But ill wait for Sam to enter his prime so to speak, maybe then i can we can agree.

We can discuss off and on for days, we never gonna agree. Let's have this chat in 5 years if were both still here, and we can discuss this matter with facts in our hand. Aight?

I disagree with you and think most of what your saying, because prime is nothing that relates to _all_ players with age as a preference. That is just not how it works. You were the one speaking of points, "in 3-5 years he’ll plateau for for 2-4 years and those will be his prime scoring years" This is you cherry picking, im speaking facts. If you dont think Jack is in his prime now, then dont. I think he is.

Your love for Sam is obvious so it doesnt matter whatever people say, you still gonna back him up. Good for you.' Me on the other hand, i dont see Sam as one of the best right wingers in the league and that is it. I dont like him much, mostly because he cant do ***** without Jack. Yea, Marchand is a elite goal scorer indeed, sam is not and never will be. Enough said.

What is prime for you? is it age only? or is it a random study? Prime is when youve developed into a complete elite player, has nothing to do with age. We're all different and you should know that by now. Connor Mcdavid has produced 3x 100point+ seasons in a rubbish team, but hey he is not in his prime right? what is this fkn bullshait. You have no clue what ur talking about. Let's take Sid for example, buy your logic he would have been in his prime 5 years ago, his prime scoring years as your saying. Doesnt look to me like he had his prime back then does it, does it to you?

word, how anyone can think jacks prime is years away utterly blows me away

Could you explain this please

This.

I really think a good coach would make this team better, i have to believe it - why ? cause i've seen it happening more than once. There is enough talant on this team, it's just not beeing used correctly, atleast in my opinion. The important thing is that this happends when the season is over, and not during the season. I felt RK wouldnt be right and i feared it would show during the season, i was blown away when the team actually started winning game after game until it was obvious that RK's system was way to obvious for all other teams, and when it became obvious RK had nothing to contradict it with - and here we are. And yes you are absolutly correct regarding that change doesnt happen over night, but dont you think Sabres fans are done with this "statement" ? we gonne be off with 9 seasons without playoff. Not many teams have complished this. RK's system is trash to say the least, and everyone knows him now and he cant do sh1t about it, just look at Detroit. I'll say it again and many times to come, get us Rikard Gronborg.

Maybe it's time to bump this thread again, not to mock you, would never do that - but this is what i ment with this thread in the first place. Yes it's easy to say now knowing the facts, the facts didnt show statisticly back then but the actuall red flag was there all along. We need a coach to teach this team what the h3ll this is about, from top to bottom. From fingertip to fingertip, from earth to the moon. Give us Rikard Gronborg.

And people raise this guy to heaven, "One of the best ringt wingers in the league", i beg to differ.

Wow.. Did i just wake up to see this piece of sh1t team lose to another bad team, no. I woke up to see this team lost to a team thats on the paper 10 times worse, not even nhl worthy. Pathetic, just pathetic.

Spot on, indeed. This is so sad but true, this team is such a wastebag that its incredible at this moment. I believe we have enough talant to win alot of games but there has to be someone that does this from the locker room and behind closed door, not going around saying "Go bills, ill buy flowers to all of you. Thank you"

Skinner actually created quite alot for him self and the team last season, i think the problem is Ralph.

Unless there is some real locker room cancer we should not trade anyone at this point imo because there is not enough value in this team, dont u agree? It is obviously way to late to try and save this season like it has been looking year after year, i strongly believe we need to make a complete makeover when season is done and try something new. And for god sake, grab a coach that can coach.

Just for your info, Sam and Viktor is both born 1995, the difference is 5 months. But yea, he is certainly a really good player for years to come. Well it was basicly a respons for a eralier comment stating "Sam is one of the best right wingers in the league", which i dont agree with. Some might, i dont.

Dont leave out Peter Forsberg, those 2 together was magical to say the least.

I see, ?

I still dont understand why 5 months age difference would matter? might be that Victor got rid of his dipers earlier than Sam but other than that?

VO is 5 months older than Sam, could you explain wtf you litterly mean with this? ? Sam has 5 full seasons in NHL and still cant thrive more than about 25 goals per season, he is just a mediocre first line winger in my opinion. Edit: When it comes to "one of the best right wingers in the league", reading that line above might seam strongly rtarded, it would actually be good if he was playing right wing ón a second line and we had a producing 1st line aswell, see the bigger perspective. (tag @shrader) ?

Lindholm is just better overall, Olofsson does way less misstakes and has already a record broken in his first season, that should be enough for you. Radulov and Kessel are also 10 years older than Sam and Phil is a fatty aswell, no but seriously they still are better. Outscoring them after 50 games ish ok, but what you are looking at are points only as i can see it. Correct me if im wrong? I would gladly stand down if Sam proved me wrong, but im almost certain he never will.

Not only points matter eventhough Sam isnt even close to half of them, i can break it down in analytics sure but just by looking at them is enough for me.

YES! Imagine if copy paste would work IRL, i would copy paste Buffalo Sabres to heaven with good players. But i blame the copy paste though, didnt want to spell any names wrong :]

Mitchell Marner Phil Kessel David Pastrnak Elias Lindholm Patrick Kane Alexander Radulov Filip Forsberg Mikko Rantanen Nikita Kucherov Vladimir Tarasenko William Nylander Patrik Laine Viktor Olofsson Jakub Voracek Teuvo Teräväinen These players are significant better than Sam. Put any of them next to Jack and voila. Calling Sam one of the best right wingers in this league is ridiculous.