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I see a whole swath of good options when the comparison is Kevyn Adams

Don’t really think we really need to delve much into theory. The owner and GMs have all been really bad. That’s the one easy thing about putting up a run of historical ineptitude. It’s a broad brush, no one’s safe

From the Buffalo news re: Botterill https://12ft.io/proxy

lol yes there’s probably a reason the owners didn’t say “Botterill wouldn’t fire people”. We already know the reason is because Botterill wouldn’t cut staff

No one is arguing anything else, though, no one thinks Adams is poor but Terry is a good owner. Or not responsible for hiring that poor GM and ones like him. The players aren’t good enough, because they were assembled by a GM who isn’t good enough, because he was hired by an owner who isn’t good enough at picking GMs. Just because we know Adams is incompetent doesn’t mean firing him guarantees his replacement would better. But you ask your GM to makes moves to improve your team until you they are no longer the GM - even through their track record in team building is one of failure to that point. Much the same way, If Terry is the owner, the hope is that he can pick a better GM or even agrees to one day pick someone with experience. It’s obviously not impossible he can a) get lucky or B) hire someone better than bottom of the barrel Adams. there’s no harm is trying, because while we know Adams to be a poor GM we don’t know to a certainty a new hire couldn’t break differently. If Adams is a total complete “yes” man you can’t hire a yes-ier guy obv a new owner is the best option - but if a new one isn’t an option then trying something is better doing literally nothing: than replicating the same process leading to disastrous results over and over again. Of course I was highly critical of Adams this past summer but I wasn’t saying “don’t make any moves this summer cause it won’t make a difference, cause he’s proven his past efforts were futile.” I wanted him to try. Most are saying the same thing with the GM. But I also think almost all think a different Owner/Owner philosophy would serve best. at the end of the day the buck always stops at the top and that’s TP

No, he fired Botts because he wouldn’t trim the staff What you said in your last paragraph is literally the job of the GM and yes we need someone who can manage the owner and convince him of the right way to do things: we know to a certainly that the unqualified Adams is not capable of that. As I mentioned in my post you quoted, the hurdle is pegula agreeing to hire this GM

There are veteran GMs with winning track records (if you consider merely making the playoffs winning (and I do)) currently out of jobs. Even a GM position in Buffalo is more attractive than not having one at all, I’d say. The hurdle imo is it being an idea Pegula is actually interested in

Yes, I’d say the issue is less so Jack Quinn himself as it was the role and production he was being counted on for based on ~ one full-season’s worth of NHL games played

The Buffalo Sabres will be fine

Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud. accept and be happy with whatever hockey team we have, no matter what.

TLJ is very nearly a masterpiece but yes

No one tweeted because Twitter wasn’t a thing

That’s a thing, too: their one claim to fame is that their drafting has been ok? I’m not even sure how well that’s holding up, but even granting that for the sake of argument: the one thing they are good at is the biggest crapshoot where going with the consensus would have a team lose little, anyways. They have no competence in areas that allow us to claw back into it. Doing ok by the 7 picks you make that everyone else gets too is so far from enough demonstrably

Last Harry Potter book wasn’t even out yet

Saying you need creativity to fix this honestly undersells how incompetent they are. It actually doesn’t require much creativity. They are *historically bad* for a reason. They have astronomically deficient dunces manning the important spots id be surprised if I couldn’t throw a stone around here and hit someone who could do a better job. I’m not kidding - I think more people than not could do better. These are stupid people

Agree, but the Star Wars prequel trilogy skates circles around this organization in terms of competence and I don’t even like phantom menace

I can’t get past this we supposedly neglected to spend this year cause we had to save money for the likes of quinn So they looked at the available new info this year and decided it supported doubling down on the strategy? What?

A huge huge part of it is the fallout with Eichel, too. I don’t care if people don’t want to hear it. It’s time to grow up and admit the obvious which goes hand in hand with what you are saying: we TANKED to get this dude. We made the choice to prioritize one player above the team, then had the utter hubris to think we didn’t have to lie in the bed we made after doing wrong by that asset. they looked like amateur hour idiots

It should be unanimously agreed that the priority isn’t winning right now

The Sabres finished with 81 points the season before Adams was made GM. We have averaged 76 points a season since. They are pacing for 79 points this year. He’s taken 5 years to get the team from 81 points to 79. what progress is this utter clown talking about

lmao

Called it, even worse that I thought though. Even after a loss lol

It’s not what the tank has wrought, it’s what the people who made the decision to tank have wrought. The damage of something we did a decade ago would be fixable, if not for the fact the idiocy that employed it is still here

Already turned it off, could not stomach beyond: “to build sustainable success year over year you need to go young.” Literally try to achieve success ONCE first! How stupid does he think the fans are? The utter hubris of this man and this organization remains baffling Well I’ve watched my last game while this dude is the GM

Sounds like we’re in a reasonable position then